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 Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub)  37
#17447797 - 12/25/12 07:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is part of my series on how I get things done. I hope it helps!
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RogerRabbit said:
Once your spawn jars are fully colonized, you can scratch your butt while you inoculate the coir if you want.
I will be using 11 quart jars of substrate I pasteurized using my pasteurization tek.
I will be using 7 quart jars of fully colonized WBS I prepped using my WBS tek.
This fills my 18gal monotubs up to the 3" mark, which I find is perfect. You can use a deeper substrate but I find 3" substrates perform as well as 4".
Let's clear one thing up right away:
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When it comes to spawning a bulk substrate, who gives a shit if you pick your nose while working? It doesn't matter. If the grains were properly prepared and colonized in sterile conditions to full colonization, you can spawn to bulk outdoors if you want to. When you go to the Stamets seminars, you'll see Paul build a straw log or other project outside in the open air and it works fine. However, you can bet your ass the spawn wasn't produced outdoors in the open air.
If your grain spawn is clean and fully colonized and you have properly pasteurized your substrate, you will not see a contam before the first flush.
Therefore, I spawn in open air with minimal precautions. I put on a pair of disposable gloves (non-sterile) and that is that. You can spawn clothed or you can spawn naked, it doesn't matter. No lysol, no oust, no extra cleaning beyond the usual that gets done once or twice a week in my house. I turn off the fans in the room but even that is unnecessary 
I should mention that if you use the bucket tek, it is possible that you will see a contam before the first flush even though your spawn was clean. I never trust the bucket tek, since I live in a house with many pets and have had contam problems in the past.
First, wash the monotub out with warm soapy water. I wipe down the sides and bottom and lid. I also wipe down the outside. Dry it off with clean paper towels.
I line the inside of my tubs to prevent side pinning. Some will argue whether side pinning is acceptable or not, but I've found it's a real PITA for harvesting without ripping chunks from the substrate. Even when cutting at the base (which I recommend), side pins make everything messy.
I use thick plastic sheeting found in the paint section of any hardware store. I like a thick liner (3.5mil usually) to prevent tears.
Cut your liner to shape and place it in the tub. Make sure to use extra so you can mix your substrate up without spilling any. You'll be able to trim it after spawning.
I put my duct tape on the bottom holes of the mono and use it to hold the liner in place while working.
Take your colonized spawn jars, check for visible problems and break each one up. Pound it on something with a little give- I use the carpet, RR uses a bike tire.
  
Open each one and give it a good smell to make sure it is clean.
MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU SMELL EACH AND EVERY JAR OF SPAWN BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. This is the most important part.
You will not always be able to ID contaminants visually by inspecting the spawn jars. You will always be able to smell a problem though.
If it smells like ANYTHING except fresh mushrooms, DO NOT USE THE JAR. Toss it. Common smells that indicate contamination include the smell of dirt, a sour smell, a sickly sweet smell, and/or a disgusting smell.
After smelling your jars, we will re-hydrate the grains before spawning. This improves the yield and quality of the fruits, and provides a quicker colonizing time.
How to do it the quick way:
I take a roll of fiberglass screen (the kind used in window screens) and cut a piece to fit around the top of a five gallon bucket.
Grab the five gallon bucket and clean it out.
Break up your spawn jars and give each a good smell to make sure it is clean.
Dump the contents of each clean jar into the bucket and fill with enough cold water (not distilled) to cover the grains.
  
Attach the house screen with a rubber band and let it soak for 10 to 20 minutes.
 
When the time is up, secure the screen with your hand around the edges and tilt until the water pours out. It will drain very quickly, tapering down to a small stream after 10-20 seconds.
 
How to do it the other way:
Fill each jar with cold water (not distilled). Let it soak for 10 to 20 minutes.
Drain by placing the lid over the top and leaving a gap between the lip of the jar and your lid. Drain it well. The grains will be quite wet at this point.
 
For spawning my tubs, I layer my substrate and spawn, then mix it. This way I can minimize how much time I spend turning the substrate before it is evenly mixed.
Some will argue that layering is more ideal, but I disagree. Mixing evenly gives much speedier colonization, which is always a plus.
Start by dumping in half of the pasteurized substrate. Spread it evenly.
   
Pour all of the grains into the tub and gently spread them.
Jars used for dunking:
 
Bag used for dunking:
  
Pour the rest of your substrate on top and even it out.
Now get down there and mix it all together. Make sure to get the corners and then even it out as best you can. It doesn't need to be perfectly level but it doesn't hurt to try 
   
Don't use a top layer to cover the grains. It's pointless for cubes and only serves to extend your colonization times.
Cut the liner down to size. You don't want to have any of it hanging over the top of the substrate or covering the bottom holes.
 
If you haven't already, duct tape your bottom and top holes for colonizing. GE is provided by the lid of the tub.
  
Put the lid on, label and date with species/variety and let it colonize in a 70-75 degree room with minimal air movement.
Bulk substrates produce a lot of heat while colonizing so you won't want your room temps to get above 80 for any reason.
Depending on your spawn to substrate ratio, colonization should be finished in 7-21 days
Ready to fruit? Here's how I stuff my monos with polyfill for fruiting.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (06/07/13 03:51 PM)
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 Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17448012 - 12/25/12 07:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of my jars have a sweet smell. I thought this was normal?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17448074 - 12/25/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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no
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17448103 - 12/25/12 08:08 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
All of my jars have a sweet smell. I thought this was normal?
When in doubt, throw it out. It should only smell like fresh mushrooms
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan] 1
#17448120 - 12/25/12 08:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the point of doing layers if you are just mixing it up anyways?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17448121 - 12/25/12 08:13 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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wierd. ive read alot of threads that healthy colonized jars have a slightly fruity sweet smell. mine smell like mushrooms yes but with a hint of sweet like fruitiness.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17448152 - 12/25/12 08:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
wierd. ive read alot of threads that healthy colonized jars have a slightly fruity sweet smell. mine smell like mushrooms yes but with a hint of sweet like fruitiness.
I bet that's fine, we all have different definitions of sweet fruitiness smell. But i understand what you mean.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17448153 - 12/25/12 08:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Once I had a grow smell fruity.
It had bacteria.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: arraguy]
#17448166 - 12/25/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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very nice and easy to follow teks, with great pictures once again.
thx frank
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: twistedty]
#17448175 - 12/25/12 08:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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arraguy said:
What is the point of doing layers if you are just mixing it up anyways?
This way I can minimize how much time I spend mixing the substrate before it is evenly mixed.
I don't like to mix any more than I have to
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very nice and easy to follow teks, with great pictures once again.
thx frank
No problems twisted. Just giving back what I've gotten
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17448184 - 12/25/12 08:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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No problems twisted. Just giving back what I've gotten
couldnt of put it better myself
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: twistedty]
#17448223 - 12/25/12 08:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5812972#5812972 ;
"what werdnaeoom8 said. Mine smells earthy with a hint of sweetness.. If its good you will smile when you smell it... lol  "
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17448252 - 12/25/12 08:37 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oatman2000 said:
you can even smell the bad smell through the air hole in the jar. Any sign of bad smell get's tossed.
ORANGE
IS BAD
The jar is fine do not even worry about it brah.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17450500 - 12/26/12 01:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5812972#5812972 ;
"what werdnaeoom8 said. Mine smells earthy with a hint of sweetness.. If its good you will smile when you smell it... lol "
I guess some people might find it sweet, but to me it smells like fresh mushrooms and nothing else.
Earthy is usually the smell I associate with dirt and trich.
I don't risk a jar that smells like anything else but the fresh shroomies of whatever species I'm growing
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17450515 - 12/26/12 01:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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DeadPhan said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5812972#5812972 ;
"what werdnaeoom8 said. Mine smells earthy with a hint of sweetness.. If its good you will smile when you smell it... lol "
I guess some people might find it sweet, but to me it smells like fresh mushrooms and nothing else.
Earthy is usually the smell I associate with dirt and trich.
I don't risk a jar that smells like anything else but the fresh shroomies of whatever species I'm growing
Oyster myc. smells very sweet to me. Completely different smell than cubes.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: arraguy]
#17450536 - 12/26/12 01:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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arraguy said:
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FrankHorrigan said:
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DeadPhan said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5812972#5812972 ;
"what werdnaeoom8 said. Mine smells earthy with a hint of sweetness.. If its good you will smile when you smell it... lol "
I guess some people might find it sweet, but to me it smells like fresh mushrooms and nothing else.
Earthy is usually the smell I associate with dirt and trich.
I don't risk a jar that smells like anything else but the fresh shroomies of whatever species I'm growing
Oyster myc. smells very sweet to me. Completely different smell than cubes.
It makes sense, fresh oyster mushrooms smell differently than cubes for sure.
I've only smelled kings and the smell was much sweeter than cubes (the kings taste better too  )
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17450740 - 12/26/12 01:58 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice Work Frank!!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: TheCyndicate]
#17467158 - 12/29/12 04:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another great write up Frank! The hardest part for me is trimming the liner. I don't know why. I hate that part!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
#17467172 - 12/29/12 04:58 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another great write up Frank! The hardest part for me is trimming the liner. I don't know why. I hate that part!
Haha. Same here. I messed up on one of my tubs cause i kinda rushed it and didnt cut close enough. I have the really cheap bags and I left one side a ill long. At first it was upright but it ended up falling onto the substrate. Maybe like 2 inches in. It's had to tell consolidation in that spot cause the condensation othe liner. Anyone know if this will be a problem or will the myc consolidate fine iN that spot. I was told to just wait it out and trim it back when I put into fruiting, but I'm just hoping it won't leave that spot uncolonized or even cause for contams.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17467203 - 12/29/12 05:05 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had that happen and it colonized in that spot just fine. Do not open it and try to trim it before it's 100%. Wait to trim it. Now I take extra care and make sure the liner is trimmed just right. I still hate that part though.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
#17467305 - 12/29/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree, trimming the liner is a PITA. I avoided liners for a long time, but cutting side pins without ripping up the substrate is even more of a pain 
IMO a liner is certainly worth the extra five minutes of effort.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17467349 - 12/29/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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My first tub (in my sig) had no side pins whatsoever until the second flush. Maybe just beginners luck? The liner also helps with cleanup. Now I always use one.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17837148 - 02/20/13 04:53 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I unfortunately have 3 different strains going right now (5, 4, and 3) so do you have any suggestions? I don't think I can mix the different strains, correct? Is there anyway to do your tek using 5 jars?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: AC6678]
#17837223 - 02/20/13 05:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I unfortunately have 3 different strains going right now (5, 4, and 3) so do you have any suggestions? I don't think I can mix the different strains, correct? Is there anyway to do your tek using 5 jars?
5quarts is minimum imo for 1brick of coir and verm.
and you can mix different "strains" together. you said you had 12quarts of spawn that would make 2 monotubs np.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: twistedty]
#17837256 - 02/20/13 05:14 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh sweet thanks I didn't know you could mix strains together in one like that that's pretty cool haha
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: AC6678]
#17868254 - 02/26/13 10:14 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gave the OP an update today, added the grain dunk to the tek since it works so well for so many 
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17871382 - 02/26/13 08:07 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Other than clean up, should I still use a liner with opaque tubs? Would a 3 inch band of black duct tape around the bottom of the outside of a clear tub be sufficient?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: ghiajake]
#17871400 - 02/26/13 08:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Primidora respond more to the microclimate of your sub shrinking than they do to light. So if your going for a reduction in sidepins, yes it is.
I personally don't mind sidepins, therefore I don't usually use a liner.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Meno]
#17871521 - 02/26/13 08:33 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meno said:
Primidora respond more to the microclimate of your sub shrinking than they do to light. So if your going for a reduction in sidepins, yes it is.
I personally don't mind sidepins, therefore I don't usually use a liner.
I hate side pins, so I use a liner
Duct tape won't do shit, I tried.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17871529 - 02/26/13 08:36 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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That answers that then. 
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: ghiajake]
#17908088 - 03/05/13 01:41 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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That fruity sweetish smell is obviously normal. Like someone said different strokes....my last tubs came it fine. My jars however have a sweet fruity smell to them.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17908099 - 03/05/13 01:44 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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My jars however have a sweet fruity smell to them
No thanks.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17908109 - 03/05/13 01:47 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure we are smelling the same thing. Just my olfactory receptors seem to recognize such a smell as sweet.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17908165 - 03/05/13 02:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have to agree. When I smell mine I get a sweet mushroomy smell.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
#17908242 - 03/05/13 02:25 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I totally hear that. To me it's like a musty, almost like a bitter chocolate kind of scent, but the easiest way for me to identify it is to crack open and smell the fresh fruits of whatever species I am cultivating. That's what the spawn should smell like.
I hear ya though, DP. and it seems you had success so that speaks for itself 
It's just "fruity" smells always turn out to be bacteria IME. I like it when my pot smells fruity, but not my grains 
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17908838 - 03/05/13 04:34 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Depending on your spawn to substrate ratio, colonization should be finished in 7-21 days
Shouldn't you let your tub consolidate for another 5-7 days after its finished ?
so your words "finished in 7-21 days" +5-7 days of consolidation right ?
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consolidation allows the mycelium to digest some of the nutrients in the substrate before flushing. Compare it to eating a meal a few hours before running a race as opposed to getting up immediately after eating to run the race.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Zarotti]
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Depending on your spawn to substrate ratio, colonization should be finished in 7-21 days
Shouldn't you let your tub consolidate for another 5-7 days after its finished ?
so your words "finished in 7-21 days" +5-7 days of consolidation right ?
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consolidation allows the mycelium to digest some of the nutrients in the substrate before flushing. Compare it to eating a meal a few hours before running a race as opposed to getting up immediately after eating to run the race.
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btw: Really nice post FH
That applies to highly nutritious substrates like BRF cakes, not substrates like coir or hpoo.
Also, cakes sometimes take a bit longer to colonize the center, which is also what consolidation is good for.
If we mix our spawn and sub evenly, it will colonize evenly and at 100%, it is ready for fruiting conditions.
I've only seen better results when fruiting monos at 100%. They will still fruit when they are ready, but I get healthier fruits and better flushes not waiting a week.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#17909545 - 03/05/13 06:51 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
I'm pretty sure we are smelling the same thing. Just my olfactory receptors seem to recognize such a smell as sweet.
I concur, my jars always have a sweetish smell if they are good. Bacterial problems have a sour smell. Trich is more of a powdery old smell.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Roker]
#18003724 - 03/24/13 01:20 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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It's interesting how subjective smell is, like taste. Like taste and taste-buds, smell is dependent in part on olfactory receptors
The molecules that cause smell have to lock in to olfactory receptors like a lock and key.
Everyone has different receptor makeups varying in quantity and sensitivity. Just like with taste-buds.
You and I could smell the exact same jar and it smell different to each of us.
After you've done enough grain jars, you will notice the common smell. It's the one's that smell different that you need to look out for.
To me, cube myc, as well as the fruits, have a very subtle sweet note, but definite mushroom smell. The fruits smell less sweet presumably because the smell of rye is not mixed in.
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How many jars of pasteurized substrate is used for this method?
I counted 9, is that correct?
I'll be using a 18gallon tub.
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How many jars of pasteurized substrate is used for this method?
I counted 9, is that correct?
I'll be using a 18gallon tub.
I mention that I used 11 quarts for this tek in the OP
I usually use 1 brick of coir and 2 quarts of verm as per my simple coir substrate. It ends up filling about 9-12 quart jars. For manure I shoot for the same amount, between 9-12 quarts of sub per 6-8 jars of spawn in each tub
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How many jars of pasteurized substrate is used for this method?
I counted 9, is that correct?
I'll be using a 18gallon tub.
I mention that I used 11 quarts for this tek in the OP
 Ok my bad, I should have read more carefully.
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How many jars of pasteurized substrate is used for this method?
I counted 9, is that correct?
I'll be using a 18gallon tub.
I also use an 18 gal tub. Holes drilled at 4 in. 11 quarts of sub is just not quite enough. About 12.5-13 qts with 6 qts of spawn gets it right at the level it needs to be.
That works well for me anyway.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
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awesome man, thanks!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
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I also use an 18 gal tub. Holes drilled at 4 in. 11 quarts of sub is just not quite enough. About 12.5-13 qts with 6 qts of spawn gets it right at the level it needs to be.
That works well for me anyway.
I'm sure it works great but just so you know, you don't need to have the sub exactly even with the bottom holes of the tub. In fact, I prefer not to. My subs end up about 3-3.5" with the holes are 4"
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so I guess its based on preference...
I'll try it with 11qts of sub the first time around, with 6-7qts of spawn.
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Okay. Good to know.
I suppose if you have proper FAE it's going to push that CO2 out either way huh?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
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Okay. Good to know.
I suppose if you have proper FAE it's going to push that CO2 out either way huh?
Air gets pushed out, not just CO2.
The CO2 mixes with the fresh air coming in and that air gets pushed out the bottom holes when your tub is dialed in properly.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Frank, recently you you suggested I do not leave my liner all the way up the sides while colonizing.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18029862#18029862
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I bet your liner has condensation pooling on the bottom and it pulled away from the substrate where that little chasm is on the bottom of your tub. I would not leave the bag on the sides while it's colonizing, it'll prevent water from pooling at the bottom of the substrate
I find it a PITA to mix and keep some of it from falling between the liner and tub.
What do you think is better?
A) Keeping the liner high while mixing, then cut it off.
B) Mix in a different container and then transfering
C) Stop trippin'. I'm over complicating it. A little bit don't hurt.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Mushface]
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A) Keeping the liner high while mixing, then cut it off.
B) Mix in a different container and then transfering
C) Stop trippin'. I'm over complicating it. A little bit don't hurt.
Definitely this
I find a measurement that works for my specific tub and cut the liner like that. I like to leave at least 2-4 inches of excess bag on the sides while I mix, then I get in there and slice it off carefully. It takes a little practice but it's worth it.
Sorry to be slow on the reply, I must've seen this while I was a bit wasted 
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Great tek! Will be using this in the near future.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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How do you rehydrate or dunk for 2nd flush with the liner in there?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mushmafia]
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Updated the OP to add this most excellent visualization for layered vs mixed colonization:
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Here's a visual aid. It's a very basic simulation of spreading mycelium. Every iteration, each colonized piece has a chance to colonize its neighbors. The white is colonized; the black is uncolonized:
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Frank...just wondering, but why layer everything initially then mix it all up?
Why not just dump in all your substrate, then grains, then mix?
Just seems to be a bit of a waste of time during spawning to bulk to layer then mix.
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Frank...just wondering, but why layer everything initially then mix it all up?
Why not just dump in all your substrate, then grains, then mix?
Just seems to be a bit of a waste of time during spawning to bulk to layer then mix.
I find I get a much nicer, more even mix if I layer then mix.
Plus I pasteurize everything in jars so it's really only a few extra seconds to spread each layer out vs. just dumping it all in at once.
I used to get tubs with corners that wouldn't colonize as fast as the rest, this took care of that. Just nice even colonization all around
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Cool. Just wondering.
I've definitely fucked up on mixing my substrate before.
One of the only times I've ever gotten green on a monotub.
Fucker took over 6 weeks to colonize, but when it was finally done, the green showed up.
Luckily, I recognized it as it's mycelium, not as it was sporing.
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How do you rehydrate or dunk for 2nd flush with the liner in there?
love your write ups!!!
I missed this! Sorry mushmafia.
I don't usually dunk after the first flush. Only after the second.
If you hydrate your substrate on the dry side (like damion's bucket tek calls for) then you will probably benefit from a dunk after the first flush.
To dunk I pull back my liner on all sides and pour a small pitcher of water around the sides until it is an inch or so from the top of the substrate. Then I mist the hell out of the surface and fan it out and let it sit like that in fruiting conditions for 2-3 hours. Then I drain it by opening the lid and carefully tilting it to the side, fan it out again real well and let it go for flush two
Also worth mentioning is that I always mist and fan my tubs after the first flush. But first flush is always set n forget
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Cool. Just wondering.
I've definitely fucked up on mixing my substrate before.
One of the only times I've ever gotten green on a monotub.
Fucker took over 6 weeks to colonize, but when it was finally done, the green showed up.
Luckily, I recognized it as it's mycelium, not as it was sporing.
6 weeks, goddamn.
I used to get penicillium and other "nuisance" molds on the top "grain-cover" layer of my substrate too. I quit using a covering layer a few months ago and I never looked back. Nothing beats full colonization in 7 days or less
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Frank...just wondering, but why layer everything initially then mix it all up?
Why not just dump in all your substrate, then grains, then mix?
Just seems to be a bit of a waste of time during spawning to bulk to layer then mix.
I find I get a much nicer, more even mix if I layer then mix.
Plus I pasteurize everything in jars so it's really only a few extra seconds to spread each layer out vs. just dumping it all in at once.
I used to get tubs with corners that wouldn't colonize as fast as the rest, this took care of that. Just nice even colonization all around
Yeah, see I use damion's bucket tek. I dump the bucket in first, then pour the bag of grainspawn on top. I then mix it all together like craziness! CCCCCRAZZINNNEESSSS I TELL YOU! 
But once in a while a spot still gets missed... If I was using jars it'd be easy to layer then mix also 
I still gotta try liners again some day...
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Yeah, see I use damion's bucket tek.
"Pasteurizing" in a bucket is SO yesterday
I'm one of the cool kids.
I use glass to pasteurize all my dirt.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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well IF I ever get to play with some yummy poo again, i'll do real jar pasteurizing. But since I only ever used coir and sawdust/shavings, I never needed to worry about "Proper pasteurization" 
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The first time I ever did a mono, I mixed everything up and spread it evenly.
I noticed that the corners had a hard time colonizing for some reason as well.
When I put them in layers it all colonized really evenly.
I prefer this method the way Frank does it.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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If I'm not mistaken, I thought properly hydrated grain was at maximum saturation? So what are you gaining by rehydration? Also, don't you lose some mycelium in the run off?
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If I'm not mistaken, I thought properly hydrated grain was at maximum saturation? So what are you gaining by rehydration? Also, don't you lose some mycelium in the run off?
It is fully hydrated when it is PC'd.
During colonization the myc uses a lot of that moisture to grow. Plus moisture is lost due to gas exchange.
You'll notice a quicker recovery and generally faster colonization times for your bulk substrate if you dunk the grains before spawning. Myself and others have found it to be very beneficial to your harvests as well
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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I'll have to give it a try. I use spawn bags, but I'm sure it will work the same, just need to tape the front. Do u reuse the water? I think I would
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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I updated the OP today, I've seen no reason to use a top layer to cover the exposed grains for cubes. So that part is nixed.
With no top layer your colonization times should drop by a couple days or more, depending on how much top layer you used previously
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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That's a real cool visual aide for mixed vs. layered.
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I updated the OP today, I've seen no reason to use a top layer to cover the exposed grains for cubes. So that part is nixed.
With no top layer your colonization times should drop by a couple days or more, depending on how much top layer you used previously
You never have any problems with grains drying out on the surface?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Kizzle]
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Not a single time
Rehydrating the grains before spawning I'm sure helps a lot.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Just curious will this method work with PF cakes? Also do you need a pressure cooker for this method or would a standard pot with water in the bottom work for sterilizing the substrate?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
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wierd. ive read alot of threads that healthy colonized jars have a slightly fruity sweet smell. mine smell like mushrooms yes but with a hint of sweet like fruitiness.
bacteria/contam
just had some sweet/sour/(rotten) smelling jars (they can smell each way, from grow to grow)
mycellium is often greyish if you got a bacteria contam (transparent), if no contam it is noticeably whiter (all white)
turned out to be bacteria
trip was different too on those shrooms, bad trip each time, felt completely different from other trips
just intense dizziness, trouble breathing, more watery eyes than usual, and no trip
it is likely bacteria you have ... make sure your mycellium is completely white
if it smells like anything else than fresh mushrooms, toss the jar (without opening it, or pc it before opening)
don't risk it
my contam source was my LC it seems(or having been lazy and handling cakes or other stuff without gloves at times , I usually don't do that), now I'm using agar again + wearing gloves always
this tek is accurate that smelling the jars is as important as visual inspection
visual inspection might fail (if you have never seen bacteria infested mycellium before, it looks very close to a healthy jar)
but smelling rarely does... bacteria is easy to smell even outside the jar from a distance often (sometimes it just smells faintly sweet though+mycellium looks transparent/greyish instead of completely white)
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the reason I birthed those jars were because I thought it was normal for LC jars to smell a bit sweet, I used honey LC after all , would imagine honey to smell sweet
turned out they all had bacteria and fruited, just didn't fruit as much as normally and didn't fruit many flushes in SGFC, same with mono
the whole SGFC smelled sweet after 1st flush
but back to the tek:
very good tek, simple and easy to follow with good pics of every step, like all of franks teks
and all the important details(i.e. not using a casing layer), they fruit fine without
and always wear gloves in all steps when growing, since I think it is possible to introduce bacteria else perhaps (disposables like in the tek work fine for me too)
for the tek title you might perhaps add 'rehydrated grains' , it differs from other teks with this
the rehydrating method was new for me(might use it for next WBS batch), I usually just used dunked+blended pfcakes + pasteurized pre-hydrated straw, then mixed
(old man's straw tek)
wonder if it is easy to use the rehydrate extracted water for agar media
perhaps just add agar in right proportions(oatmeal+agar works fine for me, so this might work too)
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: lessismore]
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Yeah, see I use damion's bucket tek.
"Pasteurizing" in a bucket is SO yesterday
I'm one of the cool kids.
I use glass to pasteurize all my dirt.
THAT'S SOOOOO LAST THURSDAY...
I just put a brick of coir in my pc, throw it on the stove, and add water until expanded at field capacity, then pasteurize.
I can't imagine having to clean another 7 jars full of coir after pasteurizing. 
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: TheApprentice]
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I realized I needed to update this to include the faster method for grain dunking:
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How to do it the quick way:
I take a roll of fiberglass screen (the kind used in window screens) and cut a piece to fit around the top of a five gallon bucket.
Grab the five gallon bucket and clean it out.
Break up your spawn jars and give each a good smell to make sure it is clean.
Dump the contents of each clean jar into the bucket and fill with enough cold water (not distilled) to cover the grains.
Attach the house screen with a rubber band and let it soak for 10 to 20 minutes.
When the time is up, secure the screen with your hand around the edges and tilt until the water pours out. It will drain very quickly, tapering down to a small stream after 10-20 seconds.
Spawn the grains to your substrate as usual.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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I just love this pic.....
Where did it come from? (sorry for being off-topic)
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
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i know this is a bit of an older thread but hopefully u dont mind me asking.
this method can be use at just about any size coreect? id like to give it a try but perhaps half the size you started with.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Beanerwiener7]
#18460156 - 06/23/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feel free to bump any teks of mine, I'm around most days
And yes you can. I follow this tek for spawning to any pasteurized substrate.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Great post. Thank you.
Regarding hydrating the grains before spawning to bulk:
Have you or anyone had any experience/luck with that using the bucket tek?
How well does this work using rye berries?
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mycohumanity]
#18461493 - 06/23/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great post. Thank you.
Regarding hydrating the grains before spawning to bulk:
Have you or anyone had any experience/luck with that using the bucket tek?
How well does this work using rye berries?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Rehydration works great for any type of grains
I don't personally use the bucket tek but I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a shot. When spawning in open air, you can pretty much guarantee everything is going to be covered in some kind of crap or another. And since dunking seems to speed the recovery time of the mycelium, it's possible that will in turn decrease your rate of contamination due to shoddily pasteurized coir.
This is all speculation of course. Might want to try asking this question on my grain dunking thread, there are a lot of knowledgeable people who took part in that.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Would this be considered a set-it-and-forget-it? or Does it require misting and fanning as needed?
Do you still fan several times a day? or just let it do its own magic
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: chimpezman]
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Would this be considered a set-it-and-forget-it? or Does it require misting and fanning as needed?
Do you still fan several times a day? or just let it do its own magic
A monotub that is properly dialed in will be set and forget on the first flush- no fanning or misting required.
Fanning it once every day or two will not hurt, but don't treat it like an SGFC and go fan crazy with it. Every time you fan a mono, the tub is re-humidified by drawing moisture out of the substrate.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18575572 - 07/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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What if you get alot of pooling of water built up on the substrate?
That was my biggest problem I encountered, after following the Tek.
Would that mean my mono wasn't properly dialed in or is that a whole different issue?
Thanks.
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Pooling water is a sign of condensation building up due to temperature swings. If it is building up on the substrate, increase your FAE by opening one or both top holes, or fanning once or twice a day.
You can also dab it up with a paper towel but I never find it necessary.
Remember that what I write are guidelines for you to work with, not precise specifics that need no messing with whatsoever. You will need to work with your specific environments to get it perfected. It takes experience
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Pooling water is a sign of condensation building up due to temperature swings. If it is building up on the substrate, increase your FAE by opening one or both top holes, or fanning once or twice a day.
You can also dab it up with a paper towel but I never find it necessary.
Remember that what I write are guidelines for you to work with, not precise specifics that need no messing with whatsoever. You will need to work with your specific environments to get it perfected. It takes experience
I totally understand and agree with what you said. I do appreciate the advice to start with though!
Thanks again!
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So why couldn't you just paint the sides of the tub black or something instead of the liner?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: jkz]
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So why couldn't you just paint the sides of the tub black or something instead of the liner?
Because light is not the cause of side pinning, FAE is.
When a substrate consolidates, it shrinks and pulls away from the tub walls, creating pockets of air.
When we use a liner inside the tub, it will stick to the substrate as it consolidates, and will stop FAE from hitting the sides of the substrate, reducing/eliminating side pinning.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: PussyFart]
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So why couldn't you just paint the sides of the tub black or something instead of the liner?
Because light is not the cause of side pinning, FAE is.
When a substrate consolidates, it shrinks and pulls away from the tub walls, creating pockets of air.
When we use a liner inside the tub, it will stick to the substrate as it consolidates, and will stop FAE from hitting the sides of the substrate, reducing/eliminating side pinning.
Well that makes a hell of a lot of sense. Thanks for that info NaH! I'll have to keep that in mind when I eventually start a mono. So, what's the best thing for a liner? I see some people use a regular garbage bag. That works as well as what frank has?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: jkz]
#18581915 - 07/19/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've heard the thinner the liner the better. As well as the thicker the better. I've actually had tons o f side and bottom pins with a liner. I used really cheap kind. But then in some tubs had none. Weird.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18593560 - 07/22/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the purpose of putting the spawn in water before mixing it in the substrate? Just to re hydrate the mycellium?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: psykonautix]
#18593562 - 07/22/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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To rehydrate the grains and the mycelium, yes.
Myself and others have made it a staple of our grows.
Here's the epic thread about it
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18728419 - 08/19/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just wanted to say thanks Frank!
I've learned so much following your guides...pasteurized, rehydrated grains, and spawned to my first monotub this weekend. Opening up those jars of spawn and finally smelling them was great. Interesting how they have a different smell before you shake and after.
Relieved to see your sub is sometimes at 3" and holes at 4". That's how mine ended up. (Should've had a couple more quarts of spawn  )
A slightly fogged up monotub full of delicious goodness is really much more exciting than a bunch of cakes on perlite. (I am just disillusioned cause I only got an oz from 8 cakes) Now can I get away with no contams my first attempt at bulk? I'll let ya know...  
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: druranium]
#18735641 - 08/21/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks Frank, will definitely be going this route!
just a quick question, what sort of yields can one expect from a monotub like this done correctly? probably much more when isolated than with ms right?
and how many flushes do you normally get from this substrate? was thinking if it would be worth while to add more bulk pasteurized coir/verm mix after the third or fourth flush, wouldn't this restart the whole process i.e. back to flush one?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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To rehydrate the grains and the mycelium, yes.
Myself and others have made it a staple of our grows.
Here's the epic thread about it
Hm, why only dunk when spawning to bulk?
And, not when you're making grain cakes, etc?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Steyner]
#18736486 - 08/21/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Relieved to see your sub is sometimes at 3" and holes at 4". That's how mine ended up. (Should've had a couple more quarts of spawn )
You are also in luck because 3" substrates kick ass, I prefer them
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just a quick question, what sort of yields can one expect from a monotub like this done correctly? probably much more when isolated than with ms right?
and how many flushes do you normally get from this substrate? was thinking if it would be worth while to add more bulk pasteurized coir/verm mix after the third or fourth flush, wouldn't this restart the whole process i.e. back to flush one?
You can expect 4-8 ounces typically, if all of my write ups are followed and adjusted properly for your environment.
MS can give some great results of similar caliber, the reason we use isolates over MS is for consistency between grows. MS is too random when working on a large scale.
I personally take one massive first flush and then one "ok" second flush and toss the tub. You can get however much mileage you like though if you can keep it from contaming.
Adding more substrate on top is going to grow mold. The mycelium is no longer young and healthy, it has spent its energy making mushrooms for you and nothing can save it. Just bury it outside, don't turn your mushroom farm into a mold farm.
Spawning bulk substrate to bulk substrate is called "superspawning" and it is not recommended.
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Hm, why only dunk when spawning to bulk?
And, not when you're making grain cakes, etc?
I don't only dunk when spawning to bulk. I'm not sure where this question came from but that link and tek is about rehydrating the grains before spawning to bulk.
I'm aware people dunk other things too, such as cakes, I know this because I do it too..that's just not what that thread (nor this one) is about.
As for cased grains, dunking them before casing only helps for the same reasons.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18738146 - 08/21/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Superspawning = bad. Got it.
Next problem: needing 6 to 8 quarts of fully colonized grains at the same time. I mean with some lost to contamination, and others growing slower or faster than their brothers and sisters, how do you get the timing right? Can i just pop the fully colonized jars in the fridge to slow them down and wait for the others to cum (kinda like thinking of something else while waiting for the old lady to get there hehe) or do you just always have shitloads of jars incubating?
Must say i'm just starting up so the budget is still kinda tight at the moment which is why i do alot of reading and so far your teks make the most sense, i will be following to a tee!
Got two syringes in the fridge but they've spent 6 months in transit (postal services had a labour strike aaarg) i'm really hoping the spores are still good to go but from what i've read they should be fine? Will do some agar work anyway just to see if it's still solid.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Steyner]
#18741825 - 08/22/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Timing is a bitch with MS. You can fridge the jars to slow them down but I honestly have no issues letting fully colonized grains sit in jar for up to a week.
You can throw more spores at it but that will just lead to more competition between strains, possibly speeding colonization but almost certainly reducing fruiting performance.
I started by making 2-3 jars more than I would need. Want one tub? Make ten jars, use as many that are clean. I ended up with many tubs that had 6 quarts, some with 10, some with 8, etc. You'll find a sweet spot that you like for bulk too..."how many jars for this tub" will no longer be a concern.
Nowadays, I overlap all of my projects.
I knock up master jars (with an agar wedge) and wait for full colonization. For each jar, I grain to grain into a filter patch bag containing about 6 quarts of grain. One jar = one bag = one tub.
This whole thing takes about 3 weeks to be ready to go into the tub...conveniently this is about how long it takes for me to finish fruiting a tub.
When the tubs get made up and put to colonize, I start my next round of master jars and repeat.
Agar work and all that jazz gets done every time it is required throughout this process.
I also only work with good fruiting, fast colonizing isolates...but that is something you will need to work up to, it took me quite a while to build a good library of cultures.
This is a lot of work with many tubs each round, I have full confidence that you can get this going with far less work than I put into it.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18742023 - 08/22/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those bags, do you reinforce the seams? Ive got two of them with my order (came with the cursed growkits) but one seems to have a leak in the bottom and they havent even seen the pc yet. Was hoping i can patch with some ductape or even rtv. Problem is in my country we don't easily get our hands on bags like that. Like i mentioned just to get my mail order here was a bitch.
Ive heard some guys use thick oven bags, cut holes and tape micropore ductape for breathers. Hell maybe i should just stick to jars for now. Am really looking forward to the whole deal, isolating on agar and so on. I know you're not a fan but im going to give the lc a go as well, as i really need to stretch my ms.
Thanks for all the help man. Pics will follow in a few weeks.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Steyner]
#18742136 - 08/22/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have no luck with filter bags from our sponsors or you are unable to get ahold of them due to location, just use jars.
I only mentioned bags because it is how I do things now. Jars are much easier esp when getting started.
Lose 2 jars of 10, you still have a tub.
Lose a bag, you lose a whole tub.
Plus I've had to make modifications to my lab area and sterile tek to accomodate the size of them. For me this is worth it...but I recommend getting very comfy with jars first.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18746361 - 08/23/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jars it is then!
im not yet clear on the coffee in the soak. I take it i should get the kettle on and make a pot of drinkable coffee with used coffee grains, then add the coffee liquid to the soaking wbs at the start of the 24 hours, along with the gypsum. Right, now how much coffee to add? If im making 10 quarts of wbs, is that 2.5 pints of coffee? Just want to make sure i understand correctly.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Steyner]
#18746381 - 08/23/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can add use up to 50% coffee in your soak water so no worries on going overboard.
I use about 2.5 pints or so for every 10 cups of dry WBS.
Just brew some coffee, normal strength you like it, and pour it into the soak water. Stir and let it be
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18746970 - 08/23/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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been doing my monotubs just like this going on 4 years now, except i use rye spawned to coir and verm. only thing you seem to do different is soak grains after colonization? are the results really that much better? and if your bulk sub is at field capacity, wouldnt it change the moisture content? maybe not for the better?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: HiLIFE]
#18746980 - 08/23/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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been doing my monotubs just like this going on 4 years now, except i use rye spawned to coir and verm. only thing you seem to do different is soak grains after colonization? are the results really that much better? and if your bulk sub is at field capacity, wouldnt it change the moisture content? maybe not for the better?
Oh man, the results speak for themselves.
There is almost 50 pages of discussion and results here, and the consensus is that it is beneficial in a lot of ways.
Rehydrating the grains means faster recovery of the myc. That means speedier colonization times.
I've also noticed healthier fruits as well as improved yields.
I cannot find a single reason not to spend 15 minutes dunking and draining before spawning. It has been a staple for hundreds of my tubs now
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18747025 - 08/23/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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really excited to try this out... thanks!!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: HiLIFE]
#18772947 - 08/29/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's an addendum that is coming soon to the OP, I placed two grains from the same isolate on agar.
One was dunked for ten minutes. One was not.
Dunked grain is on the right.
24 hours after being placed on the dish:
Two days later:
Another 24 hours and I think we have a winner:
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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oh WOW! Those results are unreal. Thanks!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: LustyLocks]
#18892878 - 09/26/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had that happen and it colonized in that spot just fine. Do not open it and try to trim it before it's 100%. Wait to trim it. Now I take extra care and make sure the liner is trimmed just right. I still hate that part though.
IF spawning into a monotub in open air then if you had an exacto knife or razor and paid attention you could most likely run it around the outside while turning the box. I have been a modeler in the past so my exacto skills are pretty good and it worked for me when I was using a small tub ( 8qts or so ) for testing another WBS tek... I am since integrating FH's steps into my existing tek.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: TheRealGohan]
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I feel as though im missing something obvious. Are u mixing colonized jars with substraight? Then allowing the tub to fully colonize?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: shortpork]
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I feel as though im missing something obvious. Are u mixing colonized jars with substraight? Then allowing the tub to fully colonize?
Yes.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Ok thanks. Is there not a picture of that? It seems like there would be some white mixed in with the substraight.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: shortpork]
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is there anything i can do with the water after i soak my colonized jars and drain them right before i mix with my substrate? after all, it is filled with myc.
is it usable for anything beside pouring on a pile of compost and seeing if magic happens?
can i try to start dropets on agar from it?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19017861 - 10/23/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
All of my jars have a sweet smell. I thought this was normal?
When in doubt, throw it out. It should only smell like fresh mushrooms
I should prolly throw away like half my jars then)=
I also have a bad sense of smell
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Ok thanks. Is there not a picture of that? It seems like there would be some white mixed in with the substraight.
I'm not sure I follow?
The white mycelium "disappears" for the most part when the grains are broken up. You don't usually see any white mycelium on your substrate until the grains recover, 24 hours or so later.
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is there anything i can do with the water after i soak my colonized jars and drain them right before i mix with my substrate? after all, it is filled with myc.
is it usable for anything beside pouring on a pile of compost and seeing if magic happens?
can i try to start dropets on agar from it?
thanks.
You can do many things with it, I usually use it to water my plants
I made agar with it (10g agar-agar to 500mL grain dunk water) and it worked ok. Could use some dextrose IMO.
People have tried hydrating substrates with it then pasteurizing.
I just use it to water the plants though
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19353436 - 01/01/14 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sorry, noobish here, so let me get this straight< you are mixing fully colonized jars with sterile(PC'd) rye in the tub, after breaking up and soaking the already colonized grain before mixing them together? and just letting it sit in the tub with no casing, verm, coir or nothing at all?
I have only had experience with BRF cakes and now doing Martha's, looking to do more bulk, and everyone points me in your direction.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mermus]
#19353442 - 01/01/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no he is dunking his colonized grain and using it to spawn to a pasturized bulk material in a mono tub
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#19353588 - 01/01/14 03:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like exactly what i said
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mermus]
#19354112 - 01/01/14 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mermus said:
sounds like exactly what i said
gotcha just kinda sounded like you meant he was spawning to more grain lolQuote:
mermus said:
you are mixing fully colonized jars with sterile(PC'd) rye in the tub, after breaking up and soaking the already colonized grain before mixing them together?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#19354201 - 01/01/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope. Taking colonized jars, dunking those, and adding to clean sterile rye to make one giant substrate right?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mermus]
#19354242 - 01/01/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope. Taking colonized jars, dunking those, and adding to clean sterile rye to make one giant substrate right?
Frank has found and shared his finding with the community that soaking 100% colonized grain for a short time prior to spawning helps to re-hydrate the grain....This has been shown to increase the speed of colonization.
He is then draining excess fluids and then mixing the spawn (jars of wet grain) with coco-coir and vermiculite "bulk substrate".
Forgive me if I am simply repeating what you already understand. I prefer to be clear and concise in hopes that EVERYONE can succeed from the studies and success of others before us. I love to see success stories.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mermus]
#19354306 - 01/01/14 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mermus said:
Nope. Taking colonized jars, dunking those, and adding to clean sterile rye to make one giant substrate right?
ok i was right then lol, no he is dunking his grains and adding them to a pasturized bulk substrate like coir, what your thinking of is g2g which is a sterile process and no dunking involved(he has a tek on that too though)
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#19354993 - 01/01/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, the pictures were slightly confusing. It looks lime he is dunking his colonized grain then adding it to sterile grain. I will have to re read the post again because I am eager to move to this tek as well as my Martha closet at the same time
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#19422852 - 01/15/14 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do u colonise in a light room?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Edmunter]
#19556906 - 02/12/14 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was about to grow in bags
this is going to save me a bunch of time and effort
very, very, very nice!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19684514 - 03/12/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey frank I used only ur teks to spawn my last 4 monotubs I mixed evenly with 50/50 spawn ratio and put no substrate layer on top it has been 4 days and top layer looks completely colonized with fluffy mycelium and inside is colonizing very quickly to have you had ur top layer of bulk substrate be completely colonized with fluffy mycelium in 3 days because the information I am getting is its probably cobweb mold but it has no smell and I was extremely sterile amost to the point of ocd through process I sprayed the 2 tubs that colonized so fast with a 1:10 h202 solution and it looked like a little bit of the fuffyness receded but didn't melt if you could give me your advice it would be most appreciated
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19682071
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: hmmm]
#19685046 - 03/12/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, I nearly passed out reading that, forgot to breathe.......D'oh
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19990816 - 05/15/14 06:36 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im a little lost as why you out duct tape versus polyfil.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Max_the_grower]
#19991708 - 05/15/14 11:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You want to tape your holes for colonization. Then take off the tape and replace with polyfil when fruiting
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 Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#20172727 - 06/23/14 10:48 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok I am brand new to this whole thing and really just have a simple question. I have 3 months before I have to move and am trying to get at least 2 pounds (dry) I have 6 66qt mono-tubes however I can only do 11 quarts of substrate to 4 quarts of spawn would this slow down the whole process? or would it still take the same amount of time?
Sorry for bugging pro's with a stupid question but I'm really counting on this grow.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Toadstool89]
#20172812 - 06/23/14 11:06 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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4 quarts of spawn for 11 quarts of substrate is a good ratio. But i doubt it will fill the recommended 3-4" of sub depth of a monotub. For my monotub i used like 24 quarts of total substrate (spawn and bulk substrate) and i could only fill 3.5 " of depth... and my tub is 66 quarts too..
If you use a lower substrate depth, i guess...just make sure that the bottom holes are right above the substrate level...
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Toadstool89]
#20172880 - 06/23/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmmm said:
Hey frank I used only ur teks to spawn my last 4 monotubs I mixed evenly with 50/50 spawn ratio and put no substrate layer on top it has been 4 days and top layer looks completely colonized with fluffy mycelium and inside is colonizing very quickly to have you had ur top layer of bulk substrate be completely colonized with fluffy mycelium in 3 days because the information I am getting is its probably cobweb mold but it has no smell and I was extremely sterile amost to the point of ocd through process I sprayed the 2 tubs that colonized so fast with a 1:10 h202 solution and it looked like a little bit of the fuffyness receded but didn't melt if you could give me your advice it would be most appreciated
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19682071
Just FYI theres absolutley no need to sanitize your tub. If its going to contaiminate it will be from spawn. you can spawn outside and still be fine. Pics Help a lot...
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Ok I am brand new to this whole thing and really just have a simple question. I have 3 months before I have to move and am trying to get at least 2 pounds (dry) I have 6 66qt mono-tubes however I can only do 11 quarts of substrate to 4 quarts of spawn would this slow down the whole process? or would it still take the same amount of time?
Sorry for bugging pro's with a stupid question but I'm really counting on this grow.
Counting on a grow = problems. Wouldnt do that in the future btw. And if its your first grow, i really wouldnt "count on it" cause you will most likely run into issues. Not saying you will, but its really a learn from your mistakes hobbie.
Youll learn if you are doing MS, which im assuimg your not using agar and making iso's. You will get a huge range of genetics. Some will grow faster, some will produce more, some will produce very little, and some will be slow. Coming in and asking a question like that on someone elses forum not related is looked down on as well. Expecting 2 pounds in 3 months with no experience ( looking at your post count) shows you have a lot more to learn and have high expectations which will get you into trouble and frustration with this hobby.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#20742462 - 10/23/14 11:06 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't use a top layer to cover the grains. It's pointless for cubes and only serves to extend your colonization times.
Is this because cubes rarely overlay? I understand "a cube is a cube, except PE", but there seems to be an consensus that Puerto Ricans are aggressive and tend to have overlay problems. Should one consider a layer of coir/verm or 50/50 to prevent any issues? Would another way to prevent problems be to induce fruiting at ~90-95% colonization? Especially if the jars to be spawned are quick colonizers?
Thanks for any feedback guys.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: DXMDeity]
#20742481 - 10/23/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand "a cube is a cube, except PE", but there seems to be an consensus that Puerto Ricans are aggressive and tend to have overlay problems.
Chances are you will never see overlay......
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RogerRabbit said:
Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now.
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon.
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I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay.
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RogerRabbit said:
By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said:
I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.
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RogerRabbit said:
Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
Whatever you do don't deep scratch. That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: PussyFart]
#20742768 - 10/23/14 12:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick response PF!
I had read a few of RR's posts on the topic and I suppose I should have been more careful with my choice of words. Since Puerto Ricans are so aggressive, is there anything one should do differently in spawning to a monotub and/or maintaining the tub thereafter? The impetus behind my question is there are so many stories in the forms of PR's completely stalling in a monotub and no guidance.
Thanks again everyone. I've learned so much from these forums and enjoy the site very much.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: DXMDeity]
#20742985 - 10/23/14 01:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since Puerto Ricans are so aggressive, is there anything one should do differently in spawning to a monotub and/or maintaining the tub thereafter? The impetus behind my question is there are so many stories in the forms of PR's completely stalling in a monotub and no guidance.
PR is a cube, and a cube is a cube.
The name some vendor gave to a certain group of spores means little....
PRs are not notorious for stalling out in monotubs, or performing any differently than any other variety of cube....I have never heard that one before....they are cubes....
Starting from spores, in general, will get you a crapshoot lottery of genetics no matter what, regardless of the name on the print/syringe...
Now some varieties do have their own characteristics, like PE, and albino varieties.....but for the most part, all cubes are basically the same.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: PussyFart]
#20743043 - 10/23/14 01:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since Puerto Ricans are so aggressive, is there anything one should do differently in spawning to a monotub and/or maintaining the tub thereafter? The impetus behind my question is there are so many stories in the forms of PR's completely stalling in a monotub and no guidance.
PR is a cube, and a cube is a cube.
The name some vendor gave to a certain group of spores means little....
PRs are not notorious for stalling out in monotubs, or performing any differently than any other variety of cube....I have never heard that one before....they are cubes....
Starting from spores, in general, will get you a crapshoot lottery of genetics no matter what, regardless of the name on the print/syringe...
Now some varieties do have their own characteristics, like PE, and albino varieties.....but for the most part, all cubes are basically the same.
Thanks again, PF. I'd give you 5 mushies if I could, but I haven't posted enough yet to rate.
There are lots of threads out there about PR's stalling, but there may be lots of threads about all kind of cubes stalling. Here are a few that I came across, FYI.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6284210#6284210
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2573459
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/512725
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6075589
Your advice has trumped my concerns, so no need to read all of those. Just my effort to ward of any thoughts that I'm a complete idiot.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: DXMDeity]
#20784900 - 11/02/14 05:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it better to replace with verm with more coir?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: awwsome]
#20784975 - 11/02/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since Puerto Ricans are so aggressive, is there anything one should do differently in spawning to a monotub and/or maintaining the tub thereafter? The impetus behind my question is there are so many stories in the forms of PR's completely stalling in a monotub and no guidance.
PR is a cube, and a cube is a cube.
The name some vendor gave to a certain group of spores means little....
PRs are not notorious for stalling out in monotubs, or performing any differently than any other variety of cube....I have never heard that one before....they are cubes....
Starting from spores, in general, will get you a crapshoot lottery of genetics no matter what, regardless of the name on the print/syringe...
Now some varieties do have their own characteristics, like PE, and albino varieties.....but for the most part, all cubes are basically the same.
Thanks again, PF. I'd give you 5 mushies if I could, but I haven't posted enough yet to rate.
There are lots of threads out there about PR's stalling, but there may be lots of threads about all kind of cubes stalling. Here are a few that I came across, FYI.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6284210#6284210
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2573459
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/512725
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6075589
Your advice has trumped my concerns, so no need to read all of those. Just my effort to ward of any thoughts that I'm a complete idiot.
all wrote by random people with no paper trail of success nearly a decade ago
they're teaching good research skills in grade school these days.
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Is it better to replace with verm with more coir?
? it's better to follow directions until you have some grows under your belt. all coir and all verm work your substrate should be at field capacity
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DeadPhan]
#21122833 - 01/14/15 09:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's a good . Spawn to substrate ratio for a Monotub
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Bulkman]
#21123597 - 01/15/15 02:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Standard seems to be 5 quarts to 1 brick coir, 2 quarts verm. Handful of gypsum.
But you can go less.
We are experimenting with grain slurries at the moment. Have a butchers at this. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21123593/vc/1#21123593
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Edmunter]
#21199434 - 01/29/15 10:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tried searching but does anyone know if you can follow this tek with spawn and a bag or two of vendor sterilized coir substrate? I'd like to try both sterile and pasteurize eventually, but have a couple bags that say 'sterile'. it's already loose and looks more like a rich soil than the reptile coir.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Noobiesnack]
#21200116 - 01/30/15 03:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sterile coir seems to be resistant to contamination.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Edmunter]
#21278417 - 02/15/15 03:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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great thread but i didnt catch it,what is spawn?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: shroomystone]
#21278419 - 02/15/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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grain spqwn or cakes...whatever you use for your bulk.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: cronicr]
#21278466 - 02/15/15 03:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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grain spqwn or cakes...whatever you use for your bulk.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#21333263 - 02/26/15 02:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Timing is a bitch with MS. You can fridge the jars to slow them down but I honestly have no issues letting fully colonized grains sit in jar for up to a week.
You can throw more spores at it but that will just lead to more competition between strains, possibly speeding colonization but almost certainly reducing fruiting performance.
I started by making 2-3 jars more than I would need. Want one tub? Make ten jars, use as many that are clean. I ended up with many tubs that had 6 quarts, some with 10, some with 8, etc. You'll find a sweet spot that you like for bulk too..."how many jars for this tub" will no longer be a concern.
Nowadays, I overlap all of my projects.
I knock up master jars (with an agar wedge) and wait for full colonization. For each jar, I grain to grain into a filter patch bag containing about 6 quarts of grain. One jar = one bag = one tub.
This whole thing takes about 3 weeks to be ready to go into the tub...conveniently this is about how long it takes for me to finish fruiting a tub.
When the tubs get made up and put to colonize, I start my next round of master jars and repeat.
Agar work and all that jazz gets done every time it is required throughout this process.
I also only work with good fruiting, fast colonizing isolates...but that is something you will need to work up to, it took me quite a while to build a good library of cultures.
This is a lot of work with many tubs each round, I have full confidence that you can get this going with far less work than I put into it.
This makes so much sense. Thank you for all of your help.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: transkei]
#21408022 - 03/14/15 05:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I`m on my first grow. I`ve followed this tek as closely as poss. and everything has turned out great so far. Tomorrow is day 7 of bulk colonization and i think it will be 100% in the morn.
I just want to say Thank You, Frank!!! your time and effort has helped me a great deal and i would like for you to know that i greatly appreciate you! Your the man bro!! Peace!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: bboyphrog1]
#21432386 - 03/19/15 05:34 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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Thanks Frank,
Your Fully illustrated TEK looks awsome!
I come from the Old School TMC way....I must say this looks a Hell of a Lot simpler then how I did it back in the day.
And thanks PussyFart for that info on the no need to scratch anymore from RR.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Val]
#21434416 - 03/20/15 02:16 AM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#21546873 - 04/14/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 4 days ago) |
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Sorry to bump (or maybe not.) this thread, but I would like to ask you something.
When can the WBS spawn jars be considered colonized? Is it the same as BRF cakes (so after 7-10 days of inoculation)?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: h3aling]
#21546910 - 04/14/15 03:20 PM (9 years, 4 days ago) |
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once they are fully white they are colonized and ready
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#21811101 - 06/15/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi Frank!
I know I am probably over thinking because this monotub just seems way too easy! I'm following your tek to the "T" and right now I'm trying to fruit.
I've got loose polly fil on my top holes (2") and tight polly fil on my bottom holes (also 2") I've got 2 up top and 2 above my substrate on each long side of the tub.
My concern is the temp in my room I have the tub in. What temp should I be keeping the room? I've got a fan running but not directly at it.right now temp is about 78 degrees.
Thanks for your time!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: mizzmaryjane]
#21811141 - 06/15/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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anything from 65-80+ is good for fruiting cubes. 65-75F is great for colonization.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#21839991 - 06/21/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply!
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#22229194 - 09/12/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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First off... Frank, you're the man!
Secondly, after following Frank's advice on smelling each jar before soaking... Am I the only one whose stomach felt like I just ate some shrooms after smelling the jars? I haven't eaten shrooms in nearly 9 years, but the taste and stomach feeling came rushing back after smelling the jars.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, Frank!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
#22229452 - 09/12/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What happened to Frank?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: gizmo1]
#22229459 - 09/12/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He stops in seldomly. People come and go...
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: NumeroEno]
#22229493 - 09/12/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea true. I've been here since 2011. Taken my fare share of long breaks along the way but always came back. Looking at his posts though looks like he hasn't posted in over a year and I remember when his ferret spilled some sort of liquid on his laptop and he wasn't on for like a week or 2 and it seemed like people were shitting bricks lol.
Its weird being back and RR not being here. Then there is Frank missing too. I see NAH is still here and him and Frank went hand in hand at least in my mind they where kind of like a dynamic duo from afar.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: gizmo1]
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Yea true. I've been here since 2011. Taken my fare share of long breaks along the way but always came back. Looking at his posts though looks like he hasn't posted in over a year and I remember when his ferret spilled some sort of liquid on his laptop and he wasn't on for like a week or 2 and it seemed like people were shitting bricks lol.
Its weird being back and RR not being here. Then there is Frank missing too. I see NAH is still here and him and Frank went hand in hand at least in my mind they where kind of like a dynamic duo from afar.
i ate frank
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: cronicr]
#22230745 - 09/13/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aha the plot thickens.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: gizmo1]
#22256573 - 09/18/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems all my time is devoted to these teks, even at work haha but I thank you in advance if I forget about this post when its time to harvest
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: t.katsu]
#22311261 - 09/29/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the graet info.
Edited by Cann_Chi_Man (09/29/15 10:19 PM)
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Cann_Chi_Man]
#22330813 - 10/03/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lurked this post for over a year. Time I showed some love. Solid post bro. It's people like you that really keep this kinda shit goin.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Napkin]
#22476847 - 11/04/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have read this tek a few times. I see that the question came up about where to mix the spawn and substrate. Frank pointed out that he would mix in the tub rather than mixing prior to pouring into the tub. I am curious as to why? Seems easier once the water from re-hydrating the spawn is dumped through the screen to just add your substrate to the bucket and mix it in there. Why does it need to be mixed in the tub?
Edited by ryeep15 (11/04/15 02:46 PM)
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: gizmo1]
#22530396 - 11/16/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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great tek. thank you!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: oro]
#22672012 - 12/18/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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First post on this site. I'm looking into growing some mush. Really wanna try the bulk tek inside of a tote. This thread was very helpful.
The pics help a lot. I plan on getting pre-sterilized jars and medium, and hve the basics down I think to get the jars going. The rest is a bit hazy for me, on getting them to fruit in the tote on a bed of medium.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: DTOG]
#22672099 - 12/18/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Welcome aboard
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#22736233 - 01/04/16 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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such excellent contributions. thank you
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: oneirogen]
#22841673 - 01/30/16 10:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can I use a 66 qt tub for this quantity?
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Quote:
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Can I use a 66 qt tub for this quantity?
a brick of coir a couple qt's of verm and five or so jars of spawn
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#23646384 - 09/15/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is going to be my first mono tub and I am going to be using your guide to help me through, I am using BFR cakes for spawn instead of WBS when reading your guide i realized your first re-hydrate method wouldn't work with my cakes, should i try the second method? or are there any better suggestions to re-hydrate my cakes?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: DrBubbles]
#23717545 - 10/07/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great tek
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dumb question alert*** im using a bigger tub like longer cause it was given to me are the holes still the same? im also useing smaller ones that was also given to me like plastic trays size of the alum cooking tray can i just put those into my sgft?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: josh2222]
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dumb question alert*** im using a bigger tub like longer cause it was given to me are the holes still the same? im also useing smaller ones that was also given to me like plastic trays size of the alum cooking tray can i just put those into my sgft?
To your first question: I recommend you to read the "Principles of a mono tub thread": https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20309651#20309651
That clears most of the questions
To your second question: I don't know how small they are, but if they aren't that small and have a lid, better go for a mini mono: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23784353 - 10/30/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#24236605 - 04/12/17 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Hey frank-
I realize this post and almost all the replies are two years old, but is this still a good way to re-hydrate grains before mixing in to bulk? How long do you let each jar sit with water?( I read it twice and didn't see a time,I may be blind) and tap water or distilled for the soak? Thanks man use every one of your teks!!!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#24252776 - 04/17/17 08:29 PM (7 years, 15 hours ago) |
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What is the purpose of the liner?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: JNocturnal]
#24253122 - 04/17/17 10:45 PM (7 years, 12 hours ago) |
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Stop the microclimate that can cause side pinning
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#24282328 - 04/29/17 07:14 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very interesting. I have been using a layer of horse poo, then spawn, then horse poo again. Mixing it all together does make sense, Great to know!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#24471696 - 07/10/17 03:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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the franks previuos video he shows using both jars and bags filled with the coir/verm mix. im unclear if that was for using as an additive to the colonized jars of grain in a bulk tub, or am i supposed to inoculate the bags with already colonized material, or shoot them directly with the spore syringe? If not the syringe, then why use the bags with the filter patch? FAE?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: bombaymagic]
#25053622 - 03/10/18 03:05 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have to say I'm freakin impressed with this tek.
So just a quick rundown to make sure I got this right, went through the 3 parts of the tek, I'm going the bag route.
Coir, verm, gypsum, pasturize in bags, when colonized break into pieces and put in monotub air holes sealed.
This is where I'm a bit confused, it says mix from those bags with seeds, I know he does BS jars, is that then necessary as well for me, could I just use rye seeds (hard to get shit in Iceland). I couldn't just spawn out the coir, verm, gypsum, clearly not enough to grow mushrooms hehe, another option is BRF since I could get that here in Iceland.
Ideally I'd like to avoid using jars because its so hard to get wide mouth glass jars in Iceland, but then again I can get away with tapered using seeds right, just shake and break up before opening and putting in tub?
I also have access to straw and horse poo, but I want to keep this as simple as possible.
The last question was just the fruiting, I connect my air pump with filter, and use my reptile tank humidifier to get that up to above 90%? open all drill holes with polyfill stuffed to keep the air exchange solid? Oh and should I get a heating mat as well, this is afterall Iceland and I doubt my house is warmer than 20c (70f) in the room where I will be doing this.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Thor]
#25213045 - 05/18/18 04:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where’s frank Monotub Tek?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Jimboslice12]
#25217018 - 05/20/18 05:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where’s frank Monotub Tek?
Monotub construction is pretty much the ohmatic tub style with some mods to the poly ala citric.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#25352627 - 07/28/18 04:40 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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When colonising the substrate from your spawn and you've duct taped the air holes, do you allow for ambient indirect sunlight on the monotub? Or should it be in darkness? Or is the difference in colonising vs fruiting conditions in this set-up predominantly mediated by introducing air flow through polyfill for fruiting, with light making little difference?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: MrCraggles]
#25352637 - 07/28/18 04:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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When colonizing the substrate from your spawn and you've duct taped the air holes, do you allow for ambient indirect sunlight on the monotub? Or should it be in darkness? Or is the difference in colonising vs fruiting conditions in this set-up predominantly mediated by introducing air flow through polyfill for fruiting, with light making little difference?
Darkness is outdated misinformation... it's been shown that 12/12 lighting through all stages is beneficial (from spore to harvest) also, they'll grow great in an unmodified tub with the lid flipped or cracked from spawn... a colonization period isn't necessary, and I've actually had faster, better results spawning straight to"fruiting conditions"
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Caps McGee]
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When colonizing the substrate from your spawn and you've duct taped the air holes, do you allow for ambient indirect sunlight on the monotub? Or should it be in darkness? Or is the difference in colonising vs fruiting conditions in this set-up predominantly mediated by introducing air flow through polyfill for fruiting, with light making little difference?
Darkness is outdated misinformation... it's been shown that 12/12 lighting through all stages is beneficial (from spore to harvest) also, they'll grow great in an unmodified tub with the lid flipped or cracked from spawn... a colonization period isn't necessary, and I've actually had faster, better results spawning straight to"fruiting conditions"
Thanks. I believe you've helped me with a few questions now? So thanks for that it's appreciated.
Yeah I watched a video where a guy put it straight into fruiting conditions and he really seemed to know what he was doing. I think I'll try both methods and see which works best for me.
Flipping the lid appears to have really taken off from reading through the forums so thanks I'll give that a go too. So you quite literally don't bother cutting a single hole in the tub and rely on the exchange through the overturned lid?
I thought polfilled holes would help to protect against contams, but I guess once the mycelium are strong and well established from the spawn then this isn't an issue as long as my horse shit compost is properly pasteurised...
However...having polyfilled holes closer to the substrate level would surely encourage proper circulation so that the flow of air reaches down to the mycelium?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: MrCraggles]
#25352784 - 07/28/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey whilst I have you here and you always seem happy to help I have another question concerning substrate;
I'm using a mix of:
50% horse manure compost
20% coarse vermiculite
20% coco coir
10% chicken shit pellets (crushed)
Is there any way I can pasteurise without stinking the house out by using the oven. It would stink of manure and I have family that don't know about my new hobby.
Ive seen people just pour boiling water into their substrate and cover it for a while...but I don't think that would be too great at getting the job done.
Ive thought about turkey foil trays on a disposable BBQ for an hour.
Do you have any sagely wisdom?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: MrCraggles]
#25352860 - 07/28/18 07:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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The substrate, and the light generate enough heat to churn the air in the tub by way of convection currents... polyfil filled holes are great for stacking tubs, so not completely bunk... Though I'm sure you can stack unmodified tubs alternating 90°... and yes, literally no holes, and straight to fruiting conditions... I tried poo once and failed miserably, and not fond of the idea of poo grown produce (lol, though I'm sure store bought food is much worse) so I won't be messing with it again until I try some pans... I did pasteurize in the oven, and it didn't stink like you'd think... almost a musky dirt smell... but throughout the house... idk there man lol, wish I knew more for yas! Not sure about the grill idea, seems as long as you could prevent hot spots, but not sure they coals would burn long enough to get it to temp for 90 minutes (probably looking at an additional hour+ just to get it there)... let us know what you come up with fo sho tho! Lol
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: MrCraggles]
#25352894 - 07/28/18 07:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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MrCraggles said:
Hey whilst I have you here and you always seem happy to help I have another question concerning substrate;
I'm using a mix of:
50% horse manure compost
20% coarse vermiculite
20% coco coir
10% chicken shit pellets (crushed)
Is there any way I can pasteurise without stinking the house out by using the oven. It would stink of manure and I have family that don't know about my new hobby.
Ive seen people just pour boiling water into their substrate and cover it for a while...but I don't think that would be too great at getting the job done.
Ive thought about turkey foil trays on a disposable BBQ for an hour.
Do you have any sagely wisdom?
Pasteurizing manure based substrates is a little more involved. It’s all I do (I use 50/50 horse poo/verm) so I’ll try to explain it concisely. You can do it in the oven, and my good buddy eatyualive is a boss at doing it that way. I’ve never tried it. I do water bath pasteurization. NB, you need a remote thermometer to do it this way.
I start with my old 23 quart presto, 3/4 full of water, with the trivet inside on the stove on high heat.
I heat up the water to about 170, turn the heat off, measure out my ingredients in a plastic tub, add enough hot water to hydrate to field capacity, and load the substrate into half gallon jars.
I put foil over the half gallon jars (no lids) and put them in the pot. I get the water level so that the jars are as submerged as they can be without floating and topping over, and I stick my thermometer probe through the foil on one of the jars, all the way down into the substrate.
After that, put the lid on your stock pot (I use an old 23 quart presto with no gasket or weight), turn the stove to low, and set the alarm on your remote thermometer to go off at 145f. Once the substrate reaches that temp, kill the heat and let it sit for about an hour and a half.
Then take the jars out, let them cool, and spawn your tub.
There are many different ways to pasteurize. I want to start doing it with a sous vide because I can only pasteurize one tub’s worth of substrate at a time this way. I hope this helps.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: NumeroEno]
#25353325 - 07/29/18 04:31 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you both for your input there! Appreciated
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: MrCraggles]
#25353528 - 07/29/18 07:54 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah man, let us know how it goes... Have you used straight coir eno? Just curious if there's an upside to poo (from someone who's done both)
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Caps McGee]
#25353740 - 07/29/18 10:34 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said:
Yeah man, let us know how it goes... Have you used straight coir eno? Just curious if there's an upside to poo (from someone who's done both)
I haven’t used coir in a long time because it costs money and hpoo doesn’t. I used to use it though. The one grow I remember doing with straight coir was with untreated coir and slurried PF cakes. I got fruits.
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: NumeroEno]
#25353744 - 07/29/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gotcha... free is cool lol
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: Caps McGee]
#25353775 - 07/29/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I really don’t know if there’s any other advantage to using poo, and the downside is that you can’t bucket tek it. But coir can get pricey, especially if you’re using anything better than the shit tier stuff from petsmart.
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: FeralBen]
#25667155 - 12/09/18 05:56 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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FeralBen said:
This is a great series Frank. Thanks man.
Hey all, long time lurker, finally posting. I have used this with Damions 5050 in years past with great success. I've searched for more recent mono-teks if there have been any drastic improvements but can't seem to find anything or haven't posted enough to view. Regardless thank you for all you've given us. Wouldn't be where I am now without this forum/community being so helpful, welcoming, and making the process more comfortable.
Best,
BB
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#26017980 - 05/28/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I follow your Teks to the T!
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#26316512 - 11/12/19 07:06 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info!
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: mbproton]
#26347640 - 11/26/19 09:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you use this tek w rye instead of WBS?
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Pensamientos]
#26347691 - 11/26/19 10:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can use whatever grains you have available to you. rye berries/red winter wheat/whole oats/milo/milit/wbs, just try to stay away from larger grains like corn or popcorn because you want to maximise your inoculation points for faster colonization. 
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#26645046 - 05/03/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Didn’t get a picture of the tubs 1st flushes. This is the 2nd flush for one tub and the beginning of the 2nd for the other. I find I have to fan with the lid several times a day. These things just grow themselves. My mistake was that I didn’t black out the edge of the tupperwares. Lots of mushrooms decomposed in the side of the container but surprisingly no contam
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Re: How I spawn to bulk in a monotub [Re: Jayson200]
#26690071 - 05/23/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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awesome, thank you
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#26948269 - 09/21/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Frank
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#27027194 - 11/07/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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hie,
Great job.
Ca you please create a thread where you take that cake for a second flush?
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Re: Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub) [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#27714098 - 03/30/22 01:54 PM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Great post and thanks for all the pics!
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