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Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids.
#17446806 - 12/25/12 02:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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My girlfriend is on pre-trial release currently for growing marijuana. She is currently awaiting her sentence, whist checking in every monday.
Her current place of employment is a local head shop, and their main product of course is spice.
Every couple of months in Ohio they ban more and more of these chemicals, and I believe the governor just passed an emergency bill banning every single one currently on the market ( Though I haven't found out for sure, apparently the bill is HB334).
Her and I have been getting in a very regular argument about whether she is going to get in trouble for doing this. I firmly believe this could bite her in the ass once she goes to court, or when she gets put on probation. I am also concerned the shop itself will get raided and she will get charged for selling the junk.
Are my fears justified? Or am I just being paranoid for no reason?
This is in Ohio BTW.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17446819 - 12/25/12 02:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your fears are justified. Your northern neighbors, us Michiganders, fucking DREAD driving through Ohio because of how dickish your cops tend to be. My only near-arrest experience has been in Ohio. It seems like if they could bend you over and fuck you, they'll do it twice.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: OZA]
#17447069 - 12/25/12 03:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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OZA said: Your fears are justified. Your northern neighbors, us Michiganders, fucking DREAD driving through Ohio because of how dickish your cops tend to be. My only near-arrest experience has been in Ohio. It seems like if they could bend you over and fuck you, they'll do it twice.
The cops are dicks, but once you get past the front line, the laws are actually fairly relaxed, which is why you see so much drug activity in OH. Which is why the cops are Nazis.
OP, I agree with you. If shit hits the fan, she's gonna get charged the same as the owner.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#17447156 - 12/25/12 04:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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This state is a fucked up poop. We just increased the penalty for powder cocaine to that of crack cocaine due to criticism of racism. It was supposed to be to lower crack penalties to par them with powder. Only defense attorneys and drug courts benefit. This is one of the worst states for anything other than small amounts of pot.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17447467 - 12/25/12 05:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would tell her to be very careful about it, especially in regards to her wording or the customers wording when selling it. Ohio is a BAD state to get burnt for any drug-related crime... I don't think, though, on probation it would really be an issue - they'll be happy she's just employed. Of course, tell her not to ever admit to smoking the damn stuff.
Good luck, tell her to play it safe - the wording is what can get you in real shit.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17447556 - 12/25/12 05:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: This state is a fucked up poop. We just increased the penalty for powder cocaine to that of crack cocaine due to criticism of racism. It was supposed to be to lower crack penalties to par them with powder. Only defense attorneys and drug courts benefit. This is one of the worst states for anything other than small amounts of pot.
Idk about the legality of the original question from the op, but I am a fellow Ohioan and just wanted to agree with you here - the coke/crack thing is total bs (I don't use, but what they did with the sentencing laws there is totally against the spirit of what activists were trying to accomplish). Weed laws are pretty lax, but anything else and you're really screwed. Sadly though, drug laws in general are still better here than they were in my home state of TN. Sad state of affairs all around.......
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#17449296 - 12/26/12 02:41 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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She should get a different job if she wants to keep her freedom. Selling probably illegal drugs at a head shop isn't a good gig for someone that is about to be on probation.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17449839 - 12/26/12 09:44 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think the local cops would be big enough jerk to prosecute the help?
I tend to think the guy behind the counter getting $10 an hour to wait on customers isn't really who they'd want for their case. Of course if you antagonize them they'll throw the book at you, but I mean in a normal raid of a headshop, have they ever prosecuted the staff for doing a clerk job?
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17449866 - 12/26/12 09:54 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Defiantley should look for a different job, however I think the likely hood of her get busted, not so much, the pay scale doesnt reflect responsibility. If I'm a clerk, I'm not paid to know all the laws and regulations around what I'm selling, that is a managers job. I ring shit up and stock shelves, how or why should I believe that anything we are selling is contraband? I think she would have plausible deniability, but you could get some gungho cops and prosecutor that wants to demonstrate some zero tolerance crap and put all employees in jail to set an example. Get a new job, problem solved.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Icepic]
#17450291 - 12/26/12 12:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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If she's in any way claiming she's "learned her lesson" in the current case, working in a headshop will make a mockery of that claim.
If you were the judge, what would you think?
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#17450315 - 12/26/12 12:27 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: I tend to think the guy behind the counter getting $10 an hour to wait on customers isn't really who they'd want for their case. Of course if you antagonize them they'll throw the book at you, but I mean in a normal raid of a headshop, have they ever prosecuted the staff for doing a clerk job?
People behind the counter at gas stations have been charged with selling drugs due to having spice.
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17450362 - 12/26/12 12:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: Do you think the local cops would be big enough jerk to prosecute the help?
I tend to think the guy behind the counter getting $10 an hour to wait on customers isn't really who they'd want for their case. Of course if you antagonize them they'll throw the book at you, but I mean in a normal raid of a headshop, have they ever prosecuted the staff for doing a clerk job?
Agreed. In North Dakota they're doing the same thing (banning all spices) and they recently raided a shop by me and only took the owner to jail, not the employees. I think she'll be fine as long as she doesn't go ape shit on the cops.
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in texas if you are behind the counter and selling spice, if you get raided, its an automatic manufacture/Dis of Controlled SUB, and treated as cocaine
also, they raid 8 or 10 shops all the same day
Edited by prettyMushy (12/26/12 04:46 PM)
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Re: Working at a "headshop" Selling synthetic cannabanoids. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17458963 - 12/28/12 12:13 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: My girlfriend is on pre-trial release currently for growing marijuana. She is currently awaiting her sentence, whist checking in every monday.
Her current place of employment is a local head shop, and their main product of course is spice.
Every couple of months in Ohio they ban more and more of these chemicals, and I believe the governor just passed an emergency bill banning every single one currently on the market ( Though I haven't found out for sure, apparently the bill is HB334).
Her and I have been getting in a very regular argument about whether she is going to get in trouble for doing this. I firmly believe this could bite her in the ass once she goes to court, or when she gets put on probation. I am also concerned the shop itself will get raided and she will get charged for selling the junk.
Are my fears justified? Or am I just being paranoid for no reason?
This is in Ohio BTW.
I don't have any links for you off hand, but I'm sure you can find some on google. There have been cases where head shop employees were arrested right along with the owners, when selling synthetics.
Enjoy your "told ya so" moment. (And I hope she stays safe)
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Yes, Texas now has some of the most legally and analog proof laws in the US when it comes to cathinone derivatives (bath salts) and synthetic cannibinomimetics (spice). In fact all cannbinomimetics are Schedule II just based on activity alone in TX.
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Anonymous said: Yes, Texas now has some of the most legally and analog proof laws in the US when it comes to cathinone derivatives (bath salts) and synthetic cannibinomimetics (spice). In fact all cannbinomimetics are Schedule II just based on activity alone in TX.
TEXAS "A month-long investigation led to the arrest of 10 people during simultaneous raids on five smoke shops Thursday.
All five stores near Friendswood were selling bath salts, according to authorities.
Police seized over $28,000 in cash and tens of thousands of dollars worth of suspected contraband.
Bath salts are a synthetic drug blamed for erratic behavior and deaths nationwide. All 10 suspects are charged with felony possession of a controlled substance."
a FOAF told me they are shutting alot shops down for spice as well, daily places get raided
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Well of course since it is legal in surrounding states and is a substance in high demand people are still selling it. The laws I mentioned have both been in effect since Sept. 1 2010 and LE had a big campaign to inform stores that these items were now illegal so it is kind of hard to be sympathetic. There have been many busts. The laws are very broadly defined and the one for bath salts is written in such a manner that is probably unconstitutional, but there is a snowball's chance in hell that case will make it all the way up there.
Salvia and Kratom are both still legal though I'm not sure that will be true after this next session. If you work at a shop that sells stuff besides that and other usuals in TX you may be committing a felony.
Please post these sorts of stories in the News Forum when you come across them.
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I'm in IL, and a friend of mine works in a headshop that sold spice shit. The cops came in one day while she was working and confiscated all the shit and asked to see the shop owner, but nothing happened to my friend legally. This probably doesn't help you much though; I don't know how shit goes down in Ohio.
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Anonymous said: I'm in IL, and a friend of mine works in a headshop that sold spice shit. The cops came in one day while she was working and confiscated all the shit and asked to see the shop owner, but nothing happened to my friend legally. This probably doesn't help you much though; I don't know how shit goes down in Ohio.
To be fair I have heard of it going down this way, as well. But I've also seen the other way happen.
I personally don't think I would feel comfortable working at a store selling stuff like that, in this political climate. MAYBE if it were a gas station and not a head shop. But yeah... kinda sketchy. Especially if you were on probation or something.
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