Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
InvisibleRepertoire89
Cat
Male


Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 21,773
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: possum]
    #17405324 - 12/17/12 12:46 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

2ce and 2ci are pretty sweet, prefer 2ci or 2ct2 to E though. Haven't tried P

Think I've tripped out on my phens enough, the trips are pretty long and a year or two ago I did 20+ trips in a month. That was a lot

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblackhawk
Newton's Law of Majesticity
I'm a teapot


Registered: 04/02/11
Posts: 8,475
Loc: Where Jimmies are Rustled
Last seen: 5 hours, 41 minutes
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #17405349 - 12/17/12 12:55 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I remember Wiccan saying a gram of 2ce contains less carcinogens then smoking a gram of mj


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: blackhawk] * 1
    #17405979 - 12/17/12 07:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Cool thread, guys. I'm tripping balls.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,383
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #17407283 - 12/17/12 02:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Found the post I was looking for

Quote:

I'm a big boy and I feel I can decide which RC's I consider to be of "acceptable risk" in my personal assessment.

I would and have used things like 2C-E and Methoxetamine.
I would NEVER use things like Mephedrone and Brephedrone.

Things that enhance neurotoxicity, generally, is when you enhance serotonin in something that also enhances dopamine. This is what makes meth more neurotoxic than straight up amphetamine.

2C-E enhances dopamine somewhat (less than an amphetamine) but its actually a selective antagonist of serotonin. That's not very likely to be neurotoxic by either extreme dopamine or high dopamine/serotonin mechanisms.

Now, methcathinone is essentially methamphetamine where 2 atoms are replaced by one oxygen. The result is that MCAT is relatively higher in dopamine and relatively lower in serotonin. Also, Meth is both a releaser and reuptake inhibitor of these monoamines, and MCAT is less of a releaser but more of a reuptake inhibitor.

Now, Mephedrone and Brephedrone are methcathinone derivatives that are altered in such a way as to add extreme increases in serotonin to the high dopamine profile. So much so, that if you made the same alterations to an amphetamine molecule, the resulting compounds are in fact used in the biolab to cause massive neuronal death in lab animals.

See my concern there? If people harp on Mephedrone being "so much stronger in euphoria than ecstasy" what they are really saying is that their dopamine and serotonin soar so much higher than on MDMA. There's no reason to assume that the neurotoxicity of MDMA isn't multiplied also. How much is anyones guess. Maybe taking 200mg mephedrone is as bad for you as 1 gram of MDMA. Possible. Then what of the people who go through grams of mephedrone a month, every month?

You could say: ahh but reuptake inhibitors are less associated with neurotoxicity than releasers. Well OK, but neurotoxicity is moreover determined by the concentration of free neurotransmitters regardless of how it comes about. You could have a synapse with no drug involved, inject too much dopamine/serotonin into it and the neuron dies. Is it that far a stretch to assume that if it feels like 10x ecstasy and it does so through the same pathways, the neurotoxicity is multiplied too?

Not to me. I avoid it and invite people to do the same.

Back on 2C-E, 2C-E is a very close analog to Mescaline. If you take a Mescaline molecule, you can bump up the 3-methoxy to the 2-position, swap the 4-methoxy's oxygen with a methylene group and there you go. This results in changes for your body. Firstly, there's potency. Mescaline requires a 200-400mg dose as the Hydrochloride. With 2C-E, the dose is 10-20mg, making 2C-E about 20x as potent. That means 20x less of the stuff for your liver and kidneys to work with. In addition to that, 2C-E is less vasoconstrictive than Mescaline, ie less cold/tingly/discolored extremities on it. You are far less likely to vomit if a same strength dose of 2C-E is taken, as one of Mescaline. Most researchers must take their higher dose mescaline spread out over about an hour or they puke and get sick. Most researchers slam down their higher dose 2C-E in one dose and never get sick. For metabolic and vasoconstriction reasons it is advised to not take more than 800mg pure mescaline in one dose. People have taken not just its equivalent, 40mg 2C-E fairly routinely but some have taken it up to 80 or even 150mg 2C-E and apparently suffered no ill effects. One particularly reckless individual injected 120mg 2C-E and lived to tell the tale. With all this in account, it appears that 2C-E is less toxic, to the body at least, than Mescaline. 2C-E tends to produce less psychological and emotional turmoil than Mescaline, generally. The proneness of a psychedelic to give psychological and emotional turmoil is clearly associated with the likeliness of difficult experiences, and difficylt experiences in trips are associated with occurrance of psychiatric complications, so 2C-E may well be psychologically safer than Mescaline too.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17407349 - 12/17/12 02:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Now that I'm mostly down, I kinda feel like taking more. :lol: 2C-E is a wonderful chemical. Don't tell anyone, but I'd like to manufacture my own someday. Just for personal use.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSynth Ethics
substitution


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 5,525
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #17407697 - 12/17/12 03:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I LOVE 2C-E,
makes me wanna stock up 10g or something...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,383
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #17409552 - 12/17/12 09:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BlindSophist said:
Now that I'm mostly down, I kinda feel like taking more. :lol: 2C-E is a wonderful chemical. Don't tell anyone, but I'd like to manufacture my own someday. Just for personal use.



I went through 3 grams of 2c-e in 2 months....

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRepertoire89
Cat
Male


Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 21,773
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17419865 - 12/19/12 11:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

3gs in 2 months is pretty crazy man, have you tried it with moxy?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSheekle
FREE BURKE
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 53,153
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17419988 - 12/19/12 11:46 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

morrowasted do u have any/did u have any fucked up aftereffects after that much?


--------------------
"Ur cat died because he hated u" - Koods
"I hope JSB kicks your ass one day." - Vandago
"you are the biggest 'internet guy' I have ever come across"- Jokeshopbeard
"The more I see you post the more I realize you're just this fuckin tie dye loser who trolls the Shroomery 24/7." - Herbologist
"Sheekle you cannot vile the dice of bullshit you have posted on this forum over the years, I like databases" - thelastoneleft
"or maybe i just come from a blood line of superior intelligence" - trees

R.I.P Kelsy, ?/?/?? - 6/11/16

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,383
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Sheekle]
    #17421276 - 12/20/12 09:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
morrowasted do u have any/did u have any fucked up aftereffects after that much?



Oh yes. I started to believe that I was seeing UFOs constantly, spent most of my free time researching conspiracy theories, and believed myself to be part of a secret society who were ascending to a higher density of consciousness. This behavior dissipated within a month of cessation. In terms of "HPPD", no, I have never experienced HPPD symptoms as others describe them. In addition to the 3 grams of 2c-e, I did about a gram of 2c-i, and a couple hundred mg of 2c-d, 2c-c, 2c-p, and 2c-t-2, as well as about half an ounce of mushrooms per week. My tolerance got so high that I had to take at least 50mg of 2c-e in order to trip, sometimes I took as much as 100mg. On one particular occasion I took an unknown quantity of 2c-e, 2c-d, 2c-i along with 5 grams of cubes and 300mg of MDMA. I will admit that that was highly reckless; however, I was able to function well enough to dance and socialize at an outdoor rave. I have never taken any of the 5-MeO series drugs.

That having been said, I have a feeling that others perceive me as being a highly unusual person; however, I do not think they attribute it to drug use because of the way I dress, carry myself, and my level of education.

Edited by morrowasted (12/20/12 09:58 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSynth Ethics
substitution


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 5,525
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17422654 - 12/20/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

Sheekle said:
morrowasted do u have any/did u have any fucked up aftereffects after that much?



Oh yes. I started to believe that I was seeing UFOs constantly, spent most of my free time researching conspiracy theories, and believed myself to be part of a secret society who were ascending to a higher density of consciousness. This behavior dissipated within a month of cessation. In terms of "HPPD", no, I have never experienced HPPD symptoms as others describe them. In addition to the 3 grams of 2c-e, I did about a gram of 2c-i, and a couple hundred mg of 2c-d, 2c-c, 2c-p, and 2c-t-2, as well as about half an ounce of mushrooms per week. My tolerance got so high that I had to take at least 50mg of 2c-e in order to trip, sometimes I took as much as 100mg. On one particular occasion I took an unknown quantity of 2c-e, 2c-d, 2c-i along with 5 grams of cubes and 300mg of MDMA. I will admit that that was highly reckless; however, I was able to function well enough to dance and socialize at an outdoor rave. I have never taken any of the 5-MeO series drugs.

That having been said, I have a feeling that others perceive me as being a highly unusual person; however, I do not think they attribute it to drug use because of the way I dress, carry myself, and my level of education.




do you think you have a perma tolerance to drugs because of this binge?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,612
Loc: Utah
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17422681 - 12/20/12 03:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

2CE is the best psychedelic I have ever taken. I intend to go through extreme lengths and lots of money to get my hands on more. :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRepertoire89
Cat
Male


Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 21,773
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17423335 - 12/20/12 05:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
My tolerance got so high that I had to take at least 50mg of 2c-e in order to trip, sometimes I took as much as 100mg.of education.




That's pretty strange man, my tolerance goes down. Went from 40mg in the beginning to needing something like 10mg for the same strength trip. Have taken 50 hits of LSD, if I took one today I would be tripping harder.

Actually the reason I got into psychedelics was studying some shamans who used ethnogens for initiating one into the spiritual world. Starting them on big doses and decreasing until substances were no longer needed. So perhaps my spiritual practices are the cause of the lowering tolerance?

Either way I've had similar experiences with phenylamines, they can make one really paranoid

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,383
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #17423396 - 12/20/12 05:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

simon418 said:


do you think you have a perma tolerance to drugs because of this binge?



No.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17423400 - 12/20/12 05:27 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

simon418 said:


do you think you have a perma tolerance to drugs because of this binge?



No.




No powers? :okay:


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSynth Ethics
substitution


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 5,525
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: morrowasted]
    #17423426 - 12/20/12 05:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

simon418 said:


do you think you have a perma tolerance to drugs because of this binge?



No.




good, that is reassuring to me as I did some (way less intense)binge and was questioning myself about this.

:thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblethe human abstract
malaka the werewolf
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 8,817
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: Sheekle]
    #17423438 - 12/20/12 05:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
i remember him saying that doing 2ce once every two months is probably less bad than smoking weed every day


that's the only think i remember him saying about it's safety



smoking weed every day could be so widely understood.  If you sit and smoke you probably relax too much.  The working man can get by smoking. 

What does wiccan do for a living? :mod:

the fuck?  WUT?

EDIT: to stay on topic you can easily do 2c's all the time just make sure you are rested.. five days off all substance would allow me to trip 2c-e four days in a row with little to no rest


--------------------
★★

Edited by the human abstract (12/20/12 05:39 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSynth Ethics
substitution


Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 5,525
Re: Where is that one Wiccan Seeker post about 2ce? [Re: the human abstract]
    #17423450 - 12/20/12 05:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I'd guess some computer stuff

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* aftereffects from drugs that show mid-life? Sheekle 612 11 10/18/12 07:27 PM
by RedSnapper
* My One Thousandth Post! trendalM 3,156 19 10/05/17 06:24 PM
by trendal
* what other message boards do you post on?
( 1 2 all )
MadadaM 3,547 25 10/27/03 08:36 PM
by eve69
* Why don't you post in OTD? Senor_Doobie 3,580 16 02/12/03 06:53 AM
by Shroomism
* Posting Blues Ripple 900 9 09/05/03 05:52 PM
by Ripple
* the pub is infested with post whores
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Senor_Doobie 10,039 70 03/08/23 11:04 AM
by starfire_xes
* mods should delete drug porn post
( 1 2 3 4 all )
braski 17,179 78 10/29/22 05:25 PM
by 336
* Who is Vatoloco and why does Moe always delete his posts =P spiritshaper 3,362 15 04/02/03 10:58 AM
by Ripple

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
2,032 topic views. 6 members, 54 guests and 84 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.031 seconds spending 0.011 seconds on 15 queries.