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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #17419196 - 12/19/12 08:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think GMOs might be able to do a lot to help with world hunger too but not if companies are allowed to patent genes, that's the real problem with GMOs and Monsanto in particular that most hippies don't understand.


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17419237 - 12/19/12 09:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Genetic engineering is pretty neat stuff. A lot of these experiments don't fully address the factor of time though. Sure, we know enough about genes to identify components of the genome that are responsible for x, y, and z, and then we insert our own modifications. The problem is that these properties have been changing ever so slightly (sometimes dramatically) for ages and ages. What we are doing in this day and age will forever alter the future.. Good/bad? tough to say



Anything we do alters the future because it alters development, behaviors, etc all of which can end up altering our genetics and the genetics of other organisms albeit slowly. If we're only speeding up a natural process can it really be either good or bad bad? I'm inclined to think it will be a combination of both or neutral overall until it is either used for good or bad. :shrug:





You're well on you're way :wink:


There's a point in all sciences where ideas and things begin to overlap in to realms outside of science where good/bad is on the chopping block at all times.

It's threads like these that make me want to go back to school.

Caine:

Interesting read there. I don't believe I've heard the term in silico before.. Or atleast I don't remember reading about it. I've been out of the loop for too long in this kind of stuff


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #17419260 - 12/19/12 09:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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pretty soon all chemistry and biology will just be done in silico




Probably not true. Silicon is very fragile. There will be another medium to take its place.




By that I meant that it will all be done computationally. All we really need is a state-of-the-art molecular dynamics simulator and we could theoretically just predict outcomes of chemical reactions on a computer. That could be impossible to create, who knows. And we all know that experimental data is keen to go against our theories as it is.

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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: Caine]
    #17419273 - 12/19/12 09:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised there isn't something like that already!


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #17419295 - 12/19/12 09:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm surprised there isn't something like that already!




We have some rudimentary systems right now. A lot of the problems come from the fact that we can't really use numbers that go out to infinity (like pi) to their exact values, since their exact values are infinite, and so we roughly estimate them to high degrees of accuracy but after many calculations, as one would expect to have when dealing with atomic scale interactions, the errors build and build and eventually the simulation is worthless. The other problem is that the simulations use ungodly amounts of time and data space.

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Re: Synthetic Biology and Artificial Life [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17419436 - 12/19/12 09:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I want someone to create a cell in Conway's Game of Life. :stoned:


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: deCypher]
    #17423127 - 12/20/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

humans are known for  fucking up pretty bad, creating artificial life would likely leave more pollution behind. I don't see it as a good thing

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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: 404]
    #17423156 - 12/20/12 04:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

scratch that, i just got to the point in the video where it talks about terraforming Mars. that would be cool.

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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: Nullface]
    #17423172 - 12/20/12 04:46 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think I'm the kind of man who has time to watch videos, read charts and graphs AND take polls?

:thumbdown:




There's nothing morally wrong with synthetic life but I think the risks and benefits are about equal.

I was always a big supporter of genetically engineered crops until I saw the way it was used. Not to benefit consumers at all, but to maximize profits by cornering markets without much of a thought for the ramifications. Experimentation is good, but uncontrolled use of experimental technology is dangerous.


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17423186 - 12/20/12 04:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean, there's risk with any sort of technology we can create when it falls into the wrong hands. :shrug: Bigger projects involving synthetic biology are the types of things that will lead to curing disease, reprogramming cells to be able to fight off infections and protect proper development and being able to create completely organic organs for replacement using the patient's own DNA instead of transplanting organs that may reject.




yeah but what's the endgame? we all live forever? I'd rather die.

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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: unam sanctum]
    #17423192 - 12/20/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Please do. I plan on living forever and one of the biggest obstacles to that goal will be overpopulation. :smirk:


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Re: Synthetic Biology [Re: deCypher]
    #17423219 - 12/20/12 04:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Please do. I plan on living forever and one of the biggest obstacles to that goal will be overpopulation. :smirk:




as if you'll be able to afford it :wink:

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