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Christianity or Maynard?
    #1741454 - 07/23/03 04:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I just found an interview with Maynard Keenan from Tool, and I like everything that he said and relate to it..
Now, what do all of you think has the better message (to you, which one do you most identify with and find truth in?), TOOL, or The Bible? Please read the interview and listen to what he says, if you are not already familiar with what theire message is. Not to mention that the Bible doesn't have a fucking sweet soundtrack that helps deliver the message....
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1741557 - 07/23/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

a good friend of mine is always preaching the maynard gospel to me, and I have to admit, it'd be fun tripping with those guys.  they're thoughtful.  but you have to remember, it's just a band.  they don't want to be worshiped.

there's this cool post on www.tooband.com where keenan talks about eating his acid collection on hoffmans b-day.  :smile:


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Malachi]
    #1741569 - 07/23/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Is there anything to the "Maynard Gospel" besides talking about Keenan's philosophical views?


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: neutralizer]
    #1741590 - 07/23/03 04:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about worshipping them, or anything, I'm just talking about their ideals. Finding truth in them, adopting them, and applying it in our life. We'd be better off than by adopting Christianity's ideals.

There is a lot to the "Maynard Gospel"... artwork, etc.
Gotta go, though, I'll add more when I'm back home in a few hours..
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1741592 - 07/23/03 05:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Ah.  Well, in everything I've read about Maynard, he sounds like just a normal guy who's eyes are opened, and who has some good ideas - like us :smile:

But I know what you mean, I agree with some/a lot of what he says.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1741679 - 07/23/03 06:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Talk about apples and oranges.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1741916 - 07/23/03 07:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I prefer to just go by the teachings of the mushrooms.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1741970 - 07/23/03 07:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

he's a flake who makes pretty music.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1742576 - 07/23/03 10:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Albino_Jesus said:
he's a flake who makes pretty music.




Please, explain how he is a flake.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1742645 - 07/23/03 10:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bellylard said:
Quote:

Albino_Jesus said:
he's a flake who makes pretty music.




Please, explain how he is a flake.





"People talk about dolphins and whales being more evolved, because they
have a better breathing element. If you do meditation, you understand
the idea of the Prana, breathing in light through the pineal gland. In
mythology, there's talk about how people used to breathe that way, but
over time, they began to breathe more through the mouth. That's the
connection that we've forgotten."


you figure it out.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1742649 - 07/23/03 10:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not proposing Maynard as a replacement for religion (hehe, quite the funny statement, what i just said, if you read it closely, but anyways); he has a man who has the power to get his ideas out there.
What I am wondering, is if all of you would rather life life in accordance to his views and beliefs, or in Christianity's views and beliefs.
This is basically a poll, I'm just wondering what everyone's choice would be, and why (if you had to go one or the other, no in between or etc).
Just curious on your thoughts...
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1742667 - 07/23/03 10:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Albino_Jesus said:
you figure it out.



Figure what out? That you are taking the "breathing" thing in literal terms. I believe what he is talking about, prana, is a staple in Buddhist belief.. it isn't some theory he came up with on his own...
Are you reading what he is saying as "there are other ways to breathe air in other than the mouth"?
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1742686 - 07/23/03 10:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

tool, of course.

their music has changed my life to the extent the bible would to a born again christian, only i feel in a much better way.

but, you cannot compare the two. the bible is pointless compared to the content of tools music. they're on a totally different level..

edit; excellent interview. maynard is able to articulate exactly the things i think/feel to the extent it is chilling.

have you seen the one from much music? its not nearly as long but its pretty interesting.. im sure you can google up a transcript.


Edited by immaculate (07/23/03 10:33 PM)


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: ]
    #1742722 - 07/23/03 10:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MJK: Light and Sound. Everything we see is energy, light and vibration.
The entire universe is operating on just a big frequency. Everything
you perceive, that's coming into your eye is just a combination of shape
and light. We are all of the same substance. Any religion that you can
dig up will tell you that. Every person who's had a spiritual moment
will tell you that. People who aren't into organized religions or even
cultish religions, some kid sittting on the corner taking acid at a Dead
show will tell you that. That's our connection.




that concept has given me more hope than ANYTHING related to christianity, or jesus, or any of that bullshit.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: ]
    #1742732 - 07/23/03 10:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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immaculate said:
maynard is able to articulate exactly the things i think/feel to the extent it is chilling.




Not only that, but he does it so cooly, too... He doesn't need a thousand words to make his point on the subject. At first I was thinking that it would be cool to have him here on Spirituality and Philosophy, to share his insight and point of view, but now I realize he is too far above it all, to even post here, for him it would be pointless, as he's in a much, much, higher place (although I don't really can't know if he'd post here or not, it might interest him enough to do so)
I'll look around for that interview, too. (glad to say I am wearing a TOOL shirt right now, but that's just me praising myself)
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1742738 - 07/23/03 10:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Quote:

Albino_Jesus said:
you figure it out.



Figure what out? That you are taking the "breathing" thing in literal terms. I believe what he is talking about, prana, is a staple in Buddhist belief.. it isn't some theory he came up with on his own...
Are you reading what he is saying as "there are other ways to breathe air in other than the mouth"?
Peace.





it's the fact that he plainly uses the term "Mythology" and then speaks of the concept as if it is fact.
also the stupid shit about dolphins.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1742776 - 07/23/03 10:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i think he'd have a lot to say, if he felt like talking about it.
i wouldnt say hes 'higher' or 'above' exactly. but he certainly is somewhere different.. like hes already been through all the stuff we're talking about and shit here...

i'd pay to hear him talk about random shit, hes so articulate and has an incredibly interesting view on things.

albino jesus; i doubt he meant it as fact. im not getting what you dont understand about the concept hes talking about, though.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: ]
    #1742869 - 07/23/03 11:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MJK: Light and Sound. Everything we see is energy, light and vibration.
The entire universe is operating on just a big frequency. Everything
you perceive, that's coming into your eye is just a combination of shape
and light. We are all of the same substance. Any religion that you can
dig up will tell you that. Every person who's had a spiritual moment
will tell you that. People who aren't into organized religions or even
cultish religions, some kid sittting on the corner taking acid at a Dead
show will tell you that. That's our connection.




I also hold this in my heart, and I totally respect and will eventually take part in this sacred connection (from the side Maynard experiences). The connection between the band and the fans, through the music, the shared experiences, the similar state of mind (music connects with people of similar thought), it is like a conversation of feelings, "a connection" (this is what my mind automatically wanted to put down, i guess Maynard chose that word for a purpose).
I remember watching a Metallica video, and Kirk is talking about how a fan came up to him the other day and started talking to him. The fan was saying how that, while they were playing, he felt this energy being exchanged, being passed back and forth from the fans to the band, and they'd receive it and channel back through their instruments, it it'd continue circling. Then Kirk added, "I shouldn't neglect to say that he also told me he was on acid."
My second concert was Mudvayne and IN FLAMES (I made a post about it actually, searchinnnggg.........(seek and destroy! hehe), ahh.. here it is, check it out. very interesting
It goes along with the whole connection thing (now that I think of it, Mudvayne's singer thanked us repeatedly for allowing them to build connections and spread some energy).
This, I hold in one of the most sacred regards, and find a lot of meaning in. This is very valuable to me.
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1742962 - 07/23/03 11:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

A lot can be learned from the lyrics, too. I found one song that I thought I should post on here, considering the subject of this post. Here goes:

Eulogy
He had alot to say. He had alot of nothing to say. We'll miss him. So long. We wish you well. You told us how you weren't afraid to die. Well then, so long. Don't cry. Or feel too down. Not all martyrs see divinity. But at least you tried. Standing above the crowd he had a voice that was strong and loud. We'll miss him. Ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart. We'll miss him. No way to recall what it was that you had said to me, Like I care at all. So loud. You sure could yell. You took a stand on every little thing and so loud. Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud and I swallowed his fa?ade cuz I'm so eager to identify with someone above the ground, someone who seemed to feel the same, someone prepared to lead the way, with someone who would die for me. Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you fuckin' lie. Don't you step out of line. Don't you fuckin lie. You've claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy? You had alot to say. You had alot of nothing to say. Come down. Get off your fuckin cross. We need the fuckin space to nail the next fool martyr. To ascend you must die. You must be crucified for your sins and your lies. Goodbye...


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1743127 - 07/24/03 12:35 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

First of all I'd like to say that it's no surprise to see so many Tool fans here at the Shroomery. It's great!

That was a great interview, I haven't read that one before.

Maynard is a brilliant person, and he is reaching out to a lot of people, doing some very beautiful work. Maynard has done a hell of a lot more good than Christianity has ever done, so there is no question.

But I won't say I'm a follower of his, because I'm not a follower of anyone, all I can say is that I relate to many of his messages and am grateful that I can enjoy them through his incredible music.

And damn Tool knows how to put on a show!


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1744065 - 07/24/03 10:49 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

maynard is not a replacement for religion.. he HAS a religion and he OBVIOUSLY fucking knows that he is a fucking Luciferian antichrist who hates Christians and God. if you don't believe he loves demons check out Tool's "Opiate" CD.. and also check out the illustrations.. demons raping baby cherubs up the ass, etc.. the whole opiate CD is blaspheming Jesus, cursing Christians, expressing hate, and praising Satan. i literally burned all my tool albums because thats what they are, fucking Tools, and i have no use for their shitty band. i don't care that their music sounds oh so fucking good. think david lee roth, ozzy ozbourne, metallica, jimi hendrix etc. they sound good too. their spiritual inspiration is the devil and they will tell you that themselves. at least hendrix was an unwilling medium... fuck tool... and fuck system of a down for the same damn reason. i almost worshipped those fucking bands and they are openly satanic and they are not worth listening to


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1744074 - 07/24/03 10:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

lol


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1744103 - 07/24/03 11:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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maynard is not a replacement for religion.. he HAS a religion and he OBVIOUSLY fucking knows that he is a fucking Luciferian antichrist who hates Christians and God. if you don't believe he loves demons check out Tool's "Opiate" CD.. and also check out the illustrations.. demons raping baby cherubs up the ass, etc.. the whole opiate CD is blaspheming Jesus, cursing Christians, expressing hate, and praising Satan. i literally burned all my tool albums because thats what they are, fucking Tools, and i have no use for their shitty band. i don't care that their music sounds oh so fucking good. think david lee roth, ozzy ozbourne, metallica, jimi hendrix etc. they sound good too. their spiritual inspiration is the devil and they will tell you that themselves. at least hendrix was an unwilling medium... fuck tool... and fuck system of a down for the same damn reason. i almost worshipped those fucking bands and they are openly satanic and they are not worth listening to




lol
did you not see where he said ADAM does all the artwork? everyone knows that. and adam is just twisted, he's not a satanist. being a satanist is just as silly as being christian

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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1744343 - 07/24/03 12:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

could you define "expressing hate" for me?


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1744368 - 07/24/03 12:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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maynard is not a replacement for religion.. he HAS a religion and he OBVIOUSLY fucking knows that he is a fucking Luciferian antichrist who hates Christians and God. if you don't believe he loves demons check out Tool's "Opiate" CD.. and also check out the illustrations.. demons raping baby cherubs up the ass, etc.. the whole opiate CD is blaspheming Jesus, cursing Christians, expressing hate, and praising Satan. i literally burned all my tool albums because thats what they are, fucking Tools, and i have no use for their shitty band. i don't care that their music sounds oh so fucking good. think david lee roth, ozzy ozbourne, metallica, jimi hendrix etc. they sound good too. their spiritual inspiration is the devil and they will tell you that themselves. at least hendrix was an unwilling medium... fuck tool... and fuck system of a down for the same damn reason. i almost worshipped those fucking bands and they are openly satanic and they are not worth listening to 



:rolleyes: I suppose that next you'll tell us that the Beatles worshipped Satan, too.  You're the one that's a fucking tool.  Eat some mushrooms and open up your third eye.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1744491 - 07/24/03 01:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

the idea that maynard is a satanist is absolutely ridiculous. did you read that interview at all? you can interpret the videos/songs/artwork anyway you like, but that's all it is. YOUR INTERPRETRATION.
and to answer the original question, i would much rather listen to maynard and tool for guidance than go to the bible for it.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: dawn of a new day]
    #1744692 - 07/24/03 03:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe Tool uses the imagery they do, that which you call "Satanic", to filter out pussy-ass religious people who are too filled with fear to understand their message in the first place.

There is no Satan, and the only demons that exist are the ones that your religion has placed inside your mind since your parents first dragged you into church.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1744822 - 07/24/03 03:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Kind of hard to worship a deity you don't believe in :wink:


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1744827 - 07/24/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

LOL cyber, that is by far the funniest post I've read in quite a while, thanks... and again LOL!!!


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Ravinoff]
    #1744946 - 07/24/03 04:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1745084 - 07/24/03 05:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

hehe i was kinda tweaked out on ritalin and reading that demon site again... i am also recovering from a PCP psychosis. burning all my cds was dumb when i could simply have sold them.  :rolleyes:  anyways on the opiate CD they do indeed say "hail Satan" and call Christians jerkoffs. that pisses me off but it makes perfect fucking sense to the mind. why deny yourself and your lusts when you can have so much fun and become so wise? to the world christians are then jerkoffs and fools. there is no middle ground. if you're not serving the Creator you're serving the Destroyer, the Father of Lies. since Adam and Eve through free will gave this world to Satan, Christians stick out like a sore thumb. laughingstocks and spectacles to be despised and mocked by unbelievers, because everyone else by nature is deceived, being in bondage to sin and shame. i sin all the time without his direction but God forgives me anyways. imagine not being able to trust your intellect or your heart because they are deceived... that's where humans are at.

neutralizer has a point there though... i have doubts all the time... i am new to getting a personal relationship with God. but i hold on anyways because i want to live forever. i have felt God's power and he seems real. mischeivous spirits use pseudo-Christianity (ie. religion) to keep people in superstition. that's what was happening to me and im getting out of that. i hope the Father of spirits will instruct me as to what's really going on, and he IS real. it's obvious. 


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1745622 - 07/24/03 08:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

want to live forever?

get a personal relationship with science.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1745857 - 07/24/03 09:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What you fail to see is that you ARE God. We all are. God is one with everything and we are all one with God.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1745957 - 07/24/03 10:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

maynard is very smart. i would put tool on the same level as the bible. provacative words to interpret as you please.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Quadrant6]
    #1746257 - 07/25/03 12:17 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Albino, is was painfully obviouse he wasn't being literal...


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1746258 - 07/25/03 12:17 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

think david lee roth, ozzy ozbourne, metallica, jimi hendrix etc

hmmm, maybe satan is not that bad after all. all these bands made some of the best music ever which helped millions of people during hard times in their life. The stuff I hear on the radio and on MTV today is "satanic", I listen to that happy horse shit and I wanna kill myself.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1746392 - 07/25/03 01:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

if you're not serving the Creator you're serving the Destroyer, the Father of Lies.

Why must you assume that if you aren't serving one thing, you must be serving the opposite? This is a rediculous statement. Just be.

The bible is filled with metaphor's... learn to recognize them for what they are rather than seeing them for the simplist, literal terms. If you really must know, science is the devil. Not rock music, although it could play a lil subliminal role in "evil deeds."

Science is basically moving away from God. Classifying and organizing your LIFE takes time from devotion towards God. It even will cause you to question the existance of God.

I hope you were being sarcastic, as the approach seemed somewhat humoring. But if not, I suggest you smoke some pot or eat some mushrooms and allow your mind to construct the bible in its metaphorical sense.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1746462 - 07/25/03 01:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Most christians have the same idea as the current american policy: Youre either for us or against us.

Someone who doesnt worship 'jesus' or the 'christian god' is a satanist! (by default)

Someone who dosnt agree with the current administrations ideas/ideals is a terrorist! (by default)

Hmmm, maybe its because we have the first overt christian administration in the history of amerikkka that these same distinctions are made...

Get fucking real.

Edit: Im a drummer myself and Danny Carey has been one of my best inspirations. I dont really listen to the lyrics of most music (if it doesnt have good drums, I dont listen) but Tool really creates a musical 'painting' or 'landscape' with all of their albums. I can play everything Danny Carey does... but Im a ways off from composing those landscapes as a whole myself.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: lateralus]
    #1746790 - 07/25/03 03:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Lol. Maynard's too smart to be a satanist. Anyone who's got two cents' worth of brains realises that, if you're a satanist, you must operate within the context of Christianity, and that your side is doomed to lose.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1747142 - 07/25/03 06:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

LOL, good to know you were in a stable state of mind when you formed your opinions on Tool


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: zeta]
    #1747410 - 07/25/03 10:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I incinerated every mind-expanding tool i possessed, and then became  superstitious, ascetic, and religious! I'm now beginning to imagine what MR MUSHROOM is going to do to these solipsistic ego constructions! :lol: :mushroom2:       


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1747593 - 07/25/03 11:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If I remember correctly , Maynard is a devout Pagan, and has all kinds of hexagrams/pentagrams/runes throughout his house. There is supposedly a huge rune painted on the floor as you walk in his house.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Ravinoff]
    #1747603 - 07/25/03 11:36 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Albino, is was painfully obviouse he wasn't being literal...





was it?


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1747671 - 07/25/03 12:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"To ascend you must die."

wow, i always thought it was "too much said, you must die"

but that works too.  i'm still gonna sing it my way tho :smile:

i also thought he said that he pointed his finger at everything but his SWORD.

are those the "official lyrics" or just fan transcripts?  where'd you get em?


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1747683 - 07/25/03 12:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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"To ascend you must die."

wow, i always thought it was "too much said, you must die"

but that works too.  i'm still gonna sing it my way tho :smile:

i also thought he said that he pointed his finger at everything but his SWORD.

are those the "official lyrics" or just fan transcripts?  where'd you get em? 






hmmm
I thought it was "too much sin, you must die"
considering jesus "died for our sins"
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1748294 - 07/25/03 03:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

pagans are satanists... the old gods are fallen angels


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1748305 - 07/25/03 03:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

tool is just a rock band, nothing more, nothing special, your local bottle-scavanging homeless woman is 10,000 times as wise as a rich rockstar who talks shit to a hard beat.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1748312 - 07/25/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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pagans are satanists... the old gods are fallen angels



You speak the voice of intolerance and ignorance. The world is far more complex than what is contained in the Bible. Open up your third eye.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1748316 - 07/25/03 03:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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maynard is not a replacement for religion.. he HAS a religion and he OBVIOUSLY fucking knows that he is a fucking Luciferian antichrist who hates Christians and God. if you don't believe he loves demons check out Tool's "Opiate" CD.. and also check out the illustrations.. demons raping baby cherubs up the ass, etc.. the whole opiate CD is blaspheming Jesus, cursing Christians, expressing hate, and praising Satan. i literally burned all my tool albums because thats what they are, fucking Tools, and i have no use for their shitty band. i don't care that their music sounds oh so fucking good. think david lee roth, ozzy ozbourne, metallica, jimi hendrix etc. they sound good too. their spiritual inspiration is the devil and they will tell you that themselves. at least hendrix was an unwilling medium... fuck tool... and fuck system of a down for the same damn reason. i almost worshipped those fucking bands and they are openly satanic and they are not worth listening to




Hehehe... you got me good there. I almost thought you were serious there for a second. I now know you were being sarcastic, renacting the words of someone that could be described as a lunatic..
You don't even know what you are rallying agansit. Haha.
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: cybernaut3]
    #1748486 - 07/25/03 04:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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pagans are satanists... the old gods are fallen angels




...Pagans are satanists, buddhists are satanists, taoists are satanists, shintoists are satanists, quabballists are satanists, those who follow the indian religions I can't remember are satanists, agnostics are satanists, atheists are satanists, new agers are satanists, psychics are satanists, people who listen to metal are satanists, playing D&D is worshipping satan, reading harry potter will turn you into a satanist...

Funny how some Christians -- especially the born again -- see satan everywhere.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: Sev]
    #1748550 - 07/25/03 04:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i didnt read all this..but whats the big deal about maynard..from what ive seen hes a shroomhead that thinks hes got shit figured out..


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: DellComputers]
    #1749612 - 07/25/03 11:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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i didnt read all this..but whats the big deal about maynard..from what ive seen hes a shroomhead that thinks hes got shit figured out..




Ya, he's definatley got his shit figured out, and he's preaching it. And he's reaching a lot of people with it. Pretty noble in my book. Then again I feel the same way about Jesus, if you go back and look at his sayings, he's right on.

So I think to make a decision between looking at the teachings of christ and maynard, you're actually looking at the same thing. OH well.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1751266 - 07/26/03 08:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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tool is just a rock band, nothing more, nothing special, your local bottle-scavanging homeless woman is 10,000 times as wise as a rich rockstar who talks shit to a hard beat.




It's nice when everything fits into your pre-thought up, conviently-making-you-right viewpoint, isn't it? Tell me some more of your prefabricated generalizations, so I can apply them to any subject myself. It saves any thoughtful consideration on my part. Thanks.
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1751394 - 07/26/03 09:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

whats with your obsession fireworks?? why do you get so upset when people critizice him..?you REALLY believe that this guy is some sort of god? im sure hes an intelligent guy but if you just met him at a bar or some shit u wouldnt worship him and compare him to christ.. hes still just a rock singer.


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    #1751507 - 07/26/03 10:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

maynard is a huge inspiration to me.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: DellComputers]
    #1751545 - 07/26/03 10:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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whats with your obsession fireworks?? why do you get so upset when people critizice him..?you REALLY believe that this guy is some sort of god? im sure hes an intelligent guy but if you just met him at a bar or some shit u wouldnt worship him and compare him to christ.. hes still just a rock singer.




My obsession? Who implied that (that is, besides yourself. hehe).
Myself, I don't get upset when anyone critizices anyone. Did I appear to get upset? Read again what he said (which I so conviently quoted). That is quite the generalization.. just as I don't truly know what Maynard is like, neither does he.
I'm sorry if I appear to be obsessed (I don't claim any obsessions). What I am talking about here is the MESSAGE that he has put out, versus the MESSAGE that is in the Bible. I'm sorry, I don't worship anything (I'm not that shallow-minded). I am not proposing a fucking religion (I am not for instituionalized thought).
"He's just a rock singer." Jesus was just a man who walked around preaching a message. I could care less if Jesus sucked cock for money (erroneous question: Would you let the son of God suck your cock for a couple of bucks? hehe). I guess I took things a little tounge-in-cheek when I asked others what MESSAGE they found more truthful, to them.
Myself, I find myself liking Maynard's MESSAGE more (ever notice the similiarity between MESSAGE and MASSAGE?).
I acknowledge that this thread has gotten long, and a lot of my posts were near the top, so I will now QUOTE my first three posts, to clarify my point of view and that I am not changing my words.
Post the First:
Quote:


I just found an interview with Maynard Keenan from Tool, and I like everything that he said and relate to it..
Now, what do all of you think has the better message (to you, which one do you most identify with and find truth in?), TOOL, or The Bible? Please read the interview and listen to what he says, if you are not already familiar with what theire message is. Not to mention that the Bible doesn't have a fucking sweet soundtrack that helps deliver the message....
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I'm not talking about worshipping them, or anything, I'm just talking about their ideals. Finding truth in them, adopting them, and applying it in our life. We'd be better off than by adopting Christianity's ideals.

There is a lot to the "Maynard Gospel"... artwork, etc.
Gotta go, though, I'll add more when I'm back home in a few hours..
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I'm not proposing Maynard as a replacement for religion (hehe, quite the funny statement, what i just said, if you read it closely, but anyways); he has a man who has the power to get his ideas out there.
What I am wondering, is if all of you would rather life life in accordance to his views and beliefs, or in Christianity's views and beliefs.
This is basically a poll, I'm just wondering what everyone's choice would be, and why (if you had to go one or the other, no in between or etc).
Just curious on your thoughts...
Peace.




I may hold him in higher regard than other people, due to the MESSAGE that he has put out. I think a lot of people here identify with it, and I think there is a reason why.
Please, reread your post again. Anything else?
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1751631 - 07/26/03 11:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

fireworks: It's nice when everything fits into your pre-thought up, conviently-making-you-right viewpoint, isn't it? Tell me some more of your prefabricated generalizations, so I can apply them to any subject myself. It saves any thoughtful consideration on my part. Thanks.



ummm...just a rock band dude, get over it.


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1751654 - 07/26/03 11:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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ummm...just a rock band dude, get over it.




Oh, I agree totally. Just a really good rock band.
However, what about what he is saying? What about what the beliefs of his that he is putting out? What do you think about them (not the band?) That is what I fucking asked in the first place, man. Which one do you find more truth in? I was just curious what everyone thought, that's all. I'm not going hysterical over a band or anything.
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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1751747 - 07/27/03 12:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

did you know that Maynard attended West Point?


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Re: Christianity or Maynard? [Re: NapkinOfDoom]
    #1751815 - 07/27/03 12:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Really? That's fucked up, if it's true.
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