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johnm214


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Aerial Boundaries said: But if I were getting something for self defence I'd make sure it was accurate enough that I could cause non-fatal injuries, probably to the limbs. Frankly killing another human being for taking or intruding on your property is unnecessarily brutish and nasty.
What makes you think shooting someone's limbs results in nonfatal injuries? As far as I can tell, this is a result of action movies or some nonsense like that. Without rapid treatment such as tourniquetting (which will likely result in loss of the limb) the person will easily die if you hit a decent sized vessle of the type in the upper arm and leg.
More to the point, why are you shooting them in the limb in the first place if not to kill? Are you under the impression that when you get shot you become paralyzed or something? Someone shot in the leg, even severing the femoral artery, is still alive and fully conscious. Whatever action they were intending on perpetrating that caused you to shoot them is still available to them, so what is the point?
Guns are deadly weapons and should not be used except when killing is appropriate. In any situation where cuasing someone pain and loss of some/all use of a limb is sufficient, you likely don't need to kill them anyways. Attitudes like this are dangerous and silly- it lowers the expectation of what will happen when a gun is discharged to an unrealistically low one. Any time you shoot someone you should be comfortable with killing them.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: johnm214]
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For the record, modern medicine has made the application of tourniquets a much less risky procedure. We were taught that a properly applied tourniquet could be left in place for some hours before the limb would be irreparably damaged. But this is beside the overall point.
Like the previous posted said, if you're are going to employ a firearm, you must be comfortable with killing the intended target. If you are looking more for bodily injury, get yourself a machete or baseball bat. Guns are a final solution, when one believes one's life is seriously at risk, and necessitates the taking of someone else's life to ensure one's own survival.
Aim for center mass, or the groin area. Shoot twice for hydraulic shock. And survive.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Draden]
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ak47's would be baller in the post apocalyptic setting and all that hoo ha ha, but when it comes to home defense, a lot of people neglect to consider that 7.62 has a pesky reputation for going through walls. I get that people are attracted to the heavier more powerful round, but that in itself has it's cons if you live in a neighborhood, or anywhere a frisky stray round could fuck someone up that you don't mean to hit.
I'd go with an ar 15 just out of my comfortability with that style rifle, but if you're still talking about home defense, if you got a rail system on that puppy you could hook up all your nifty nightlights and scary lazers or whatever. Got it ak's can have rails too, but you know what I mean, AR's almost allways have that shit. Or it can be replaced for a couple bucks.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: SleepAid]
#17579823 - 01/20/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good AK's cost the same as an AR.
Saigas are total piece of shit so a cheap Ak isn't even worth anyone's while. Arsenal makes a good one.
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I just like th look of the classic ak-47. It is just such an iconic image.
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the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period. It has the reliability of the AK & the gloriousness of the AR combined. Use .223/5.56, it will not go thru a bunch of walls like some think. there are vids & tests online proving pistols & bucckshot go thru moar walls because the slugs r too slow//heavy too fragmennt on several layers of drywall, but 223's are light&fast.
This is my tactical plan of action if i'm the victim of a home invasion. It is flawless.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Elitist]
#17639916 - 01/30/13 07:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period.
Just upgrade the iron sights or put some optics on it. Those stock iron sight are not pleasant, at least to me.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: 4runner]
#17641402 - 01/31/13 12:15 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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anunnakian said:
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period.
Just upgrade the iron sights or put some optics on it. Those stock iron sight are not pleasant, at least to me.
i hit clay pigeons at 100 yards (300 feet) easily w/ iron sights and got the vids to prove it. thats a fist sized target.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Elitist]
#17724253 - 01/31/13 11:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period. It has the reliability of the AK & the gloriousness of the AR combined. Use .223/5.56, it will not go thru a bunch of walls like some think. there are vids & tests online proving pistols & bucckshot go thru moar walls because the slugs r too slow//heavy too fragmennt on several layers of drywall, but 223's are light&fast.
This is my tactical plan of action if i'm the victim of a home invasion. It is flawless.
NO. Ruger rifles are notorious for having issues and being pieces of shit with random lemons. DO NOT BUY ONE. Get yourself a pistol grip and all the modern upgrades to shoot more comfortable with an AR or AK.
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I just picked up an ak-47 in case the ban goes through. I love people who don't watch the news. Brand new in the case for $250. The clips will be a bitch to get now! I really wanted a few 75 round drums.
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Did anyone else here catch Gabrielle Giffords speaking this week saying that... tooooo..................many.....................children.................. die from gun violence over the 20 who got shot recently. This is justification for banning guns.
But incredibly she forgot to mention that 17,000 children starve to death every day around the world and I don't see her outrage over that. That number is not a typo.
All these proponents of gun bans are making decisions based on emotion instead of facts and rationality. It will be our species' undoing.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17725739 - 02/01/13 10:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I already have all the rifles I need. Ammo is gonna be the bitch.
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Just out of curiosity, why the AR-15?
I imagine the .223 is not as powerful as the 5.56nato, so won't be going through many walls. For this reason I would reccomend the P90.
Now, the way it loads is unconventional, but with 50 rounds if they aren't truely well and dead by the time you've spent 50 rounds then your problem is not reloading.
Just curious, why a rifle and not a shotgun? It's a good idea to have rifles, just, inside the tight confines of a coridor or a small room, scattershot is totally lethal.
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withoutawire said:
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period. It has the reliability of the AK & the gloriousness of the AR combined. Use .223/5.56, it will not go thru a bunch of walls like some think. there are vids & tests online proving pistols & bucckshot go thru moar walls because the slugs r too slow//heavy too fragmennt on several layers of drywall, but 223's are light&fast.
This is my tactical plan of action if i'm the victim of a home invasion. It is flawless.
NO. Ruger rifles are notorious for having issues and being pieces of shit with random lemons. DO NOT BUY ONE. Get yourself a pistol grip and all the modern upgrades to shoot more comfortable with an AR or AK.
Wrong. The AR-platform is far more notorious for reliability problems. The main thing w ruger is to use ruger factory mags.
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Diploid said: Did anyone else here catch Gabrielle Giffords speaking this week saying that... tooooo..................many.....................children.................. die from gun violence over the 20 who got shot recently. This is justification for banning guns.
But incredibly she forgot to mention that 17,000 children starve to death every day around the world and I don't see her outrage over that. That number is not a typo.
All these proponents of gun bans are making decisions based on emotion instead of facts and rationality. It will be our species' undoing.
SAVE THE CHILDREN!
People seem to make their decisions based on the availability of the experience. Some nut shoots up a school causing statistically miniscule problems and everybody is so concerned because it gets nonstop news coverage and is in every politicians speeches. Millions of people crash their cars together every years killing thousands, and no big deal because it doesn't make the news. A few nuts crash airplanes and everyone's rights are reduced and tons of money are spent hassling people because its newsworthy. Many more times that number die from the flu every year, but that doesn't make the news so nobody cares.
The problem is people not even caring to make logical arguments- its all emotion.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: johnm214]
#17728485 - 02/01/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a bit funny that everyone thinks shotguns are so good for houses, its probably because people think they spread out. If you have ever shot a shotgun you would know that inside a house you would have to aim just as much as any other gun. So a revolver would be the best for in a house.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Elitist]
#17733737 - 02/02/13 05:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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withoutawire said:
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period. It has the reliability of the AK & the gloriousness of the AR combined. Use .223/5.56, it will not go thru a bunch of walls like some think. there are vids & tests online proving pistols & bucckshot go thru moar walls because the slugs r too slow//heavy too fragmennt on several layers of drywall, but 223's are light&fast.
This is my tactical plan of action if i'm the victim of a home invasion. It is flawless.
NO. Ruger rifles are notorious for having issues and being pieces of shit with random lemons. DO NOT BUY ONE. Get yourself a pistol grip and all the modern upgrades to shoot more comfortable with an AR or AK.
Wrong. The AR-platform is far more notorious for reliability problems. The main thing w ruger is to use ruger factory mags.
Wrong. The ar-15 platform was adopted by the the military because it's a superior rifle. The mini 14 is not only cosmetically at a disadvantage but they are notorious for over heating and destroys the accuracy to the point where it's total fucking shit. So in turn you have to buy a heavy barrel and suddenly you still have a gun that continues to over heat and is way heavier than necessary. The gun is terribly in accurate firing rapid fire without a pistol grip or other cosmetic features that keep the gun from stabilizing. People who have issues with their AR's don't clean them or take care of them.
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Elitist said:
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withoutawire said:
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Elitist said: the best rifle is the Ruger mini-14. Period. It has the reliability of the AK & the gloriousness of the AR combined. Use .223/5.56, it will not go thru a bunch of walls like some think. there are vids & tests online proving pistols & bucckshot go thru moar walls because the slugs r too slow//heavy too fragmennt on several layers of drywall, but 223's are light&fast.
This is my tactical plan of action if i'm the victim of a home invasion. It is flawless.
NO. Ruger rifles are notorious for having issues and being pieces of shit with random lemons. DO NOT BUY ONE. Get yourself a pistol grip and all the modern upgrades to shoot more comfortable with an AR or AK.
Wrong. The AR-platform is far more notorious for reliability problems. The main thing w ruger is to use ruger factory mags.
Wrong. The ar-15 platform was adopted by the the military because it's a superior rifle. The mini 14 is not only cosmetically at a disadvantage but they are notorious for over heating and destroys the accuracy to the point where it's total fucking shit. So in turn you have to buy a heavy barrel and suddenly you still have a gun that continues to over heat and is way heavier than necessary. The gun is terribly in accurate firing rapid fire without a pistol grip or other cosmetic features that keep the gun from stabilizing. People who have issues with their AR's don't clean them or take care of them.
ur speakin of oldschool minis. mine came w/ pistol grip & thicker barrel straight from the factory. get over it
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Elitist]
#17737637 - 02/03/13 10:30 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Congrats on the purchase Diploid! You'll have to post some pictures when it gets in. I've always wanted an AR-15. Super jealous.
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