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I cant buy any sort of gun let alone a AK47. Like i said though, i dont really know much about guns.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Asante]
#17416947 - 12/19/12 12:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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In a home defense situation its rare to fire a shot across more than 100ft
I understand all that. That's why I have a 9. The AR-15 purchase is a matter of principle (and to shoot for fun). I've never killed anyone, never assaulted anyone, and I haven't even been in a fight since 6th grade. I have no criminal record and rarely even speed.
There is no reason why the government of the Home of the Free should tell me that I can't have a dangerous toy when I have already demonstrated the capacity to own it safely and proficiency using it on a gun range.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid] 3
#17417346 - 12/19/12 02:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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To actually address your initial post: You narrowed down your choices to an AR-15 and an M16? The AR-15 is simply the civilian legal model of the military's M16. So if you're actually going to be getting an M16, you're in for a long, drawn out Class III weapon purchase in the range of 15-25,000 dollars. Assuming you were meaning AR-15 vs AK-47 I can offer these insights.
ARs are more accurate. AKs have more stopping power. ARs are more expensive to shoot (33cents a round and more versus the AK's 23 cents or so) ARs generally have higher maintenance requirements (unless you buy a piston driven model) With that in mind, I own an AR-15, and have shot many AK variants.
In an AR. Look at the main manufacturers, especially the ones the federal government does business with. Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms. I would add LWRC, DPMS, and Del-Ton to the short list of manufacturers to trust. You want a chrome lined steel barrel. Not chrome-moly. They have a longer functional life. If you can afford the 2000 bucks or so it would take to get a full LWRC piston driven upper, I would go that route, as it will bring reliability up to near the AK. Get a collapsible buttstock (AR-15 in an M4 style configuration) and you'll want to look at a quad rail, as the firearm can be a very versatile tool.
In an AK, you will most likely want to buy a Saiga, or an American made, milled AK. If you get a Saiga 7.62 sporter, you'll have to have it modified to accept high capacity magazines. American made AKs start around the same price as an AR. If you MUST by a non-Saiga or American AK, you're going to end up with a Century import, most likely from Romania or Yugoslavia. Are they as good as the Saiga or US Made? Nope. Will they still do everything you want them to do? Most likely.
If I were you, looking at the long run of a possible weapons ban, and the difficulty of finding ammo/parts, I would go with an AK-47 variant. They can work for a long time with no maintenance, and ammo is abundant and cheap. For 500 bucks, you can pick up sealed tins of a few THOUSAND AK rounds.
Just my two cents. My next rifle purchase will be an AK. Probably a Saiga. If you want a breakdown of ARs you're looking at with pros/cons, you can shoot me a message. I'm a former active duty Marine with years of weapons instruction experience, so I should be able to give you good info.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Draden]
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Draden said: To actually address your initial post: You narrowed down your choices to an AR-15 and an M16? The AR-15 is simply the civilian legal model of the military's M16. So if you're actually going to be getting an M16, you're in for a long, drawn out Class III weapon purchase in the range of 15-25,000 dollars. Assuming you were meaning AR-15 vs AK-47 I can offer these insights.
ARs are more accurate. AKs have more stopping power. ARs are more expensive to shoot (33cents a round and more versus the AK's 23 cents or so) ARs generally have higher maintenance requirements (unless you buy a piston driven model) With that in mind, I own an AR-15, and have shot many AK variants.
In an AR. Look at the main manufacturers, especially the ones the federal government does business with. Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms. I would add LWRC, DPMS, and Del-Ton to the short list of manufacturers to trust. You want a chrome lined steel barrel. Not chrome-moly. They have a longer functional life. If you can afford the 2000 bucks or so it would take to get a full LWRC piston driven upper, I would go that route, as it will bring reliability up to near the AK. Get a collapsible buttstock (AR-15 in an M4 style configuration) and you'll want to look at a quad rail, as the firearm can be a very versatile tool.
In an AK, you will most likely want to buy a Saiga, or an American made, milled AK. If you get a Saiga 7.62 sporter, you'll have to have it modified to accept high capacity magazines. American made AKs start around the same price as an AR. If you MUST by a non-Saiga or American AK, you're going to end up with a Century import, most likely from Romania or Yugoslavia. Are they as good as the Saiga or US Made? Nope. Will they still do everything you want them to do? Most likely.
If I were you, looking at the long run of a possible weapons ban, and the difficulty of finding ammo/parts, I would go with an AK-47 variant. They can work for a long time with no maintenance, and ammo is abundant and cheap. For 500 bucks, you can pick up sealed tins of a few THOUSAND AK rounds.
Just my two cents. My next rifle purchase will be an AK. Probably a Saiga. If you want a breakdown of ARs you're looking at with pros/cons, you can shoot me a message. I'm a former active duty Marine with years of weapons instruction experience, so I should be able to give you good info.
why even mess with that whole argument. su-16ca's are california legal. meaning they aren't affected by the assault weapon ban. they will be legal no matter what the commie pig in the white house tries to do!! and they are as cheap as the cheapest ak, and cheaper than the cheapest ar-15.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: maccc] 1
#17418026 - 12/19/12 05:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mossberg 500 shotgun (short barrel). You can't miss and it has enough power to stop an intruder cold.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: maccc]
#17418995 - 12/19/12 08:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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maccc said: why even mess with that whole argument. su-16ca's are california legal. meaning they aren't affected by the assault weapon ban. they will be legal no matter what the commie pig in the white house tries to do!! and they are as cheap as the cheapest ak, and cheaper than the cheapest ar-15.
It will be impossible for anyone to ever ban assault weapons in this country. Even the idiots in office realize that many MANY people would simply not give up their assault weapons. If you already have it, you're going to be able to have it for the rest of time.
Without even arguing that point, the Kel Tec is a great gun for ultra-lightweight purposes: backpacking or last-resort carbine. But if you want a solid, multipurpose, and still relatively inexpensive weapon, you can find an AR to fit your needs.
Yeah, if you want an inexpensive gun that will do the job, get the Kel Tec. If you want a multipurpose weapon that will serve you anywhere you go, get an AR. And, like you said, the Kel Tec is not an assault weapon.. It'll be available later, even if the ARs aren't.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Draden]
#17419033 - 12/19/12 08:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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The newly made version of the steyr aug, the msar stg-556. It Is just as good as an ar-15 in all their benefits but has even more good things about it. It is very reliable just like the new ar-15's thats like the first thing you need to know. Also your average "m4" will be around 30'' long with a 16'' barrel, well the stg-556 has a 20'' barrel and is only 30'' long as well. The barrel can come out in about 2 seconds which means you can fit this gun in a small/medium bag. If you get the scoped version it has a very good scope which is attached to the gun so once you adjust it it will stay good unless you really bang it up. This gun is simply better in most ways since it is smaller with a larger barrel.
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The Ruger Mini-14 Tactical looks pretty nice. I think I'd go with that if I had the funds.
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maccc
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Draden]
#17420887 - 12/20/12 07:42 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Draden said: Yeah, if you want an inexpensive gun that will do the job, get the Kel Tec. If you want a multipurpose weapon that will serve you anywhere you go, get an AR. And, like you said, the Kel Tec is not an assault weapon.. It'll be available later, even if the ARs aren't.
i have a prejudice against the direct impingement. not that its not functional, but gas piston will fire thousands of rounds without needing a cleaning. that being said, if you have to fire your rifle more than 1000 times without an opportunity to clean it, there is a larger issue (like lots of somebodies want you dead).
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Adden]
#17422432 - 12/20/12 02:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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The local Cabella's sells a .44 Mag Desert Eagle.
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Desert Eagles are the biggest waste of good metal, ever. Big, clunky, heavier than hell, and totally inefficient. If you wanted to big obnoxious handgun that would actually be worthwhile, look at the FN FiveseveN. Shoots a submachinegun/PDF round at near rifle speeds with similar ballistics. Still kind of obnoxious, though.
And as far as this thread was concerned, he was looking at ARs. And I totally agree with maccc, direct impingement is far from an ideal setup, which is why I tried to push him towards the piston driven uppers. The cost is kind of prohibitive, but it's worth it. Even so, I would choose a direct impingement upper over the KelTec any day, for general personal defense. I would certainly have a KelTec in a bug-out bag, but it would never be my primary defense weapon.
Oh, and as far as direct impingement goes, I have personally fired ARs over a thousand rounds in a day with no cleaning. Yeah, you may have the occasional malfunction, but if your weapon is in good shape and well maintained, it will continue to function. At worst, hit it with a few drops of CLP and put it back into action.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Draden]
#17431520 - 12/22/12 09:21 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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In home defense situations, a shotgun or handgun is a better choice than a rifle. Of course, there's a lot of room open for debate about that, but it does depend on certain factors.
My personal opinion is that shotguns are better, mainly because they don't penetrate nearly as much as rifle bullets (better when in residential). A semi auto like the Remington 1100 can give you the extra firepower without having to manually pump.
That being said, if you want to go with a rifle I'd recommend a Mini-14. They're compact and fun, but not nearly as 'tactical' as AR-15s are (and depending on your outlook, a plus).
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Well, since you decided on an AR-15, that narrows things down. Now all you need to do is decide on a barrel length (16", 20", etc), gas sytem (piston or direct impingement), upper receiver type (A2, A3, A4), hand guard type (single, dual, tri or quad rail, "classic type", or many more), caliber (5.56, .308, 6.8SPC, .450 Bushmaster, etc. etc.), stock type (2 position, 6 position, magpul, fixed, folding, etc.), sights (A2 style detachable or fixed, pop up, peep hole, HK style front, cowitnessed with optic) and optic type (ACOG, red dot, illuminated reticle) and accessories to go with your rail (vertical forend grip, laser, lights, etc. etc. etc.).
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Without reading all the yays and nays. Please do not refer to a civilian ak47 or ar 15 as an assualt rifle. They are sporting rifles, semi automatic rifles. Assualt rifles are fully auto, which you will not easily purchase. I prefer ar's becasue I am not a commie. The ak is a commie rifle. PLus when it comes to sport shooting, the ak is not as good as an ar for hitting a can at a half mile. For truly home defense I would get a shot gun. And ar or ak could possibly kill your neighbor where as a shot gun will most likely not be able to do much damage if the projectile leave the room. I keep a guage in my bed room. If yo have children then you def need a guage. Hand guns are close quarters but will do the trick with a light a laser on it.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: VibeUp]
#17576864 - 01/20/13 01:29 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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VibeUp said: Mossberg 500 shotgun (short barrel). You can't miss and it has enough power to stop an intruder cold.
This thread was over a month ago. Mossberg 500.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: tahoe]
#17577035 - 01/20/13 03:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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This. It's extremely doubtful, even in an extremely high-end, large house, that you would need anything more than a shotgun. Semi-auto of you'd like, but anything more is overkill. The Serbu Super Shorty is sexy(3 rounds max), if you're set on a rifle, a bullpup setup may benefit you the most, if you're looking for an " Assault Rifle" platform because it's quite shorter. But, Serbu Super Shorty. Highly mobile in a house, 12 gauge, quite a bit of stopping power. It's an AOW instead of an assault rifle, but it's better. If you need more than 4 rounds to kill, then you're not a good shot.
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It's extremely doubtful, even in an extremely high-end, large house, that you would need anything more than a shotgun.
This isn't just for defense. As I said in the OP, I have a CZ 9mm semi-automatic handgun to defend my home. This purchase is on principle because I don't think my government has any right telling someone with no criminal record, who is mentally healthy, and who is rather a pacifist who hates violence that he can't own a gun.
So I'm getting one before the idiotic American sheeple overreact in the usual knee-jerk way to whatever brainwashing they see on their TV.
And it's a done deal anyway. I've purchased an AR-15. I'm waiting for it to arrive at the gun store. They were sold out. Mine should arrive in a few days.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17578195 - 01/20/13 11:31 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Personally, if i was getting a gun for home protection, id go with a shotgun. A assault rifle bullet is just gonna go through walls. Plus, shotguns spread the shot. That way, all you do is aim in the general vicinity of the perp."
No doubt I'll get a lot of flak for this but: The way I take it, you just want to insure that you kill whoever it is and turn them into a bloody mess. I guess some people are fine with that. But if I were getting something for self defence I'd make sure it was accurate enough that I could cause non-fatal injuries, probably to the limbs. Frankly killing another human being for taking or intruding on your property is unnecessarily brutish and nasty.
If my idea of how indiscriminate or powerful a shotgun is is flawed, then correct me.
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Aerial Boundaries said: But if I were getting something for self defence I'd make sure it was accurate enough that I could cause non-fatal injuries, probably to the limbs.

Yup. Because the self-defense experts are wrong and shooting to wound is the way to go.
Someone alert the lawyers as well.
Will you be shooting from the hip? Or will it be over your shoulder?
Perhaps you'll ask the bad-guy to stand perfectly still so you don't miss.
Tell him/her not to make you laugh so your aim isn't bad.
Of course when IF you wound them and piss them off, perhaps they'll thank you kindly for not killing them as they shove the gun up your ass.
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