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Diploid
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Best Assault Rifle
#17413379 - 12/18/12 06:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I live in the Miami / Fort Lauderdale area. It's a relatively dangerous place to live for a first-world city, and ironically the nicer your neighborhood, the more likely you are to be the victim of a home invasion robbery. It happened to a neighbor a couple of years ago and the following month I had a shiny new Florida CCW and a 9mm CZ in the nightstand by my bed.
I'm not much into guns, but I'm big on individual freedom for everyone who doesn't hurt others. And contrary to popular opinion, I also believe that had the teachers in that school that got shot up been packing, our coward shooter would have gone somewhere else with a softer target. At the least he would have been put down LONG before he got to child number 20.
Anyway, I'm buying an assault rifle this weekend before they become illegal. My government already thinks it can tell me what I'm allowed to put in my body. I'll be damned if I let it take away my right to defend myself any way I see fit when attacked. And I have a feeling when the inevitable ban comes, existing owners will be exempt.
So, I've narrowed it down to either an AR-15 or the M16 flavor. Anyone have some advice on which is a better choice? Or if you have a third option in mind, lay it on me. Price is not a big consideration. Quality and reliability is.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17413486 - 12/18/12 06:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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AK-47 is incredibly durable easy to use unlike the ar while cool not as simple to maintain as an ak.
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Diploid
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I've shot an AK-47. It's not very accurate compared to the AR-15 and it's heavier too. It was designed to survive mud, water, rain, and dirty combat conditions, not to be a fun weapon to shoot or for personal protection.
If I ever get a second weapon of this type, it'll probably be an AK-47, but not the first.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17414439 - 12/18/12 09:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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No problem and yea accuracy is not the best however most of my gun needs are in the wilderness and having the simple maintenance is a plus. If your looking for strictly home defense I might go with some kind of handgun.
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For home defense you want a nice shotty... So your not blasting through you walls hitting your kids or neighbors...
I would suggest a Tach Seiga... Ive been wanting the one from RedJacket for awhile...
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17414631 - 12/18/12 09:46 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Anyway, I'm buying an assault rifle this weekend before they become illegal.
Good luck, they are all dried up in my neck of the woods. As in you can find lots of hunting rifles and lever actions, but everything in black is missing from the shelves, as well as all the magazines.
Happens every time a ban in the works.
Get what you can, an ar-15(.223) or ar-10(.308) is a great choice. I am by no mean an expert, actually I don't know a lot about many of the manufacturers and what all the differences are, but if you can find any, get one. A co-worker that knows his shit tried to find an ar, ended up with a Springfield m???? basically a m16.
The federal background check took 2 hours. They are hammered.
God speed.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: 4runner]
#17414693 - 12/18/12 10:01 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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If your looking for strictly home defense I might go with some kind of handgun.
Yeah like I mentioned in the OP, I have a CZ 9mm sami-automatic in a drawer by my bed. This will be my second firearm purchase.
The federal background check took 2 hours. They are hammered.
I have a concealed carry license so there's no background check or waiting period for me. I can walk in, pay, and walk out with my gun because they already spent a month doing a background check on me complete with fingerprints when I got the concealed carry license.
A local gun shop has several flavors of new AR-15 in stock. It's looking more and more like one of those is coming home with me this week.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid] 1
#17414767 - 12/18/12 10:16 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh didn't think about or know that a CCW licence would stop a background check. Would they not still need to verify that your piece of paper is valid? Pretty sure that wouldn't fly here. Still have to be put on hold.
Yeah, I do live in Southern Oregon so stuff dries up quick here. It is night and day from northern Oregon(Eugene to Portland).
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: 4runner]
#17415002 - 12/18/12 11:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would they not still need to verify that your piece of paper is valid?
Yeah, well it's not just a piece of paper. It's a full-on state issued ID complete with a color picture, magnetic strip, and anti-counterfeiting hologram. It's also hard laminated. It looks a bit like a driver license.
When you guy a gun, they naturally run the CCW license in real-time like a cop would run your driver license. That's how it gets instantly revoked if you get convicted of something or get committed to a psychiatric facility.
To get the CCW, you have to take a gun safety and proficiency class and a class on gun laws where you learn what you can and can't do, where you can and can't carry, and the consequences if you break any of the rules. They also take your fingerprints and spend a full month running FBI background checks including Interpol.
Once that's done, there's really no reason for a waiting period. All the checks are done and if you have the license you almost-certainly have other weapons so a waiting period doesn't accomplish anything.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17415297 - 12/19/12 12:14 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you mean weapon, because an assault rifle has the ability to fire on full auto, which is very different than an "assault weapon".
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17415323 - 12/19/12 12:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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The SKS is an affordable yet durable option. It's cousins with the ak, but it's more accurate and doesn't have as large of a mag.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17415750 - 12/19/12 05:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: I think you mean weapon, because an assault rifle has the ability to fire on full auto, which is very different than an "assault weapon".
I don't think it really matters. Its just a bullshit term, kind of like narcotic, abused by the law and now nobody knows what the fuck it means. In context its clear Diploid is talking about a gun that has scary things like pistol grips, deadly bayonet lugs, or terrifying barrel shrouds.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: johnm214]
#17415981 - 12/19/12 07:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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the SKS is more accurate than the AK in my opinion, cheap, and takes easily available ammo, conversion kits to high capacity fixed magazines exist.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17416023 - 12/19/12 07:44 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I've shot an AK-47. It's not very accurate compared to the AR-15 and it's heavier too. It was designed to survive mud, water, rain, and dirty combat conditions, not to be a fun weapon to shoot or for personal protection.
If I ever get a second weapon of this type, it'll probably be an AK-47, but not the first.
Thanks for the suggestion though. 
kel tec su-16ca. m16 magazine, ak piston driven, folds in half for storage/hiking, integral picatinny rail, and a stock threaded barrel... oh and it weighs less than an ar-15, and comes with a bipod built in.
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I just came.
check out the kel tec owners group pictures of how people have modded them out. truly epic. <ktog.org>
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Diploid]
#17416649 - 12/19/12 11:09 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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An AK47 wont ever break down and consists of thick solid parts, so if assault rifles become illegal and parts become illegal, you won't need those.
If you cant effectively protect your home with an AK47 you need to move.
In a home defense situation its rare to fire a shot across more than 100ft so you don't need super accuracy, and the AK delivers a solid chunk of metal on target, a very persuasive argument. And how about a 30 round mag? That wont hurt.
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Asante]
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Re: Best Assault Rifle [Re: Hiker]
#17416766 - 12/19/12 11:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im personally not into guns. MY father on the other hand likes guns and is a former jarhead. He told me that a real AK47 is made of cheap stamped steel. When you shake the gun, you can hear the parts inside moving around and that is why they dont jam as often as other guns.
Personally, if i was getting a gun for home protection, id go with a shotgun. A assault rifle bullet is just gonna go through walls. Plus, shotguns spread the shot. That way, all you do is aim in the general vicinity of the perp.
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buy an american made ak47. not one with parts from all over the world.... you will see the diffrence and retract every word you said about the ak
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