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OfflineSoCalHunter
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Active ID & Galerina question...
    #17401198 - 12/16/12 11:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

While looking threw some of my older pictures I came across some LBM's that I'm 99% sure are active I just want to double check since I'm compiling a small PERSONAL field guide to the common Edible, Medicinal, Active, and Toxic species in my area (3-ring binder style) and accuracy is important..

Here's the Psilocybe sp. found in wood chips late last year (Nov-Dec).  Blue bruising, purple spore print, caps sticky when moist with a seperable pellicle. From what I can recall these little guys never grew larger than 1.5" tall with a .25" wide cap.

 






This next photo was taken ~15' away from the above specimends. I beleive they are the same species; However they were significantly larger and differed macroscopically..
Found growing on the edge of the woodchips;
Cap pale-off white, 3cm across, also sticky when moist with seperable pellicle
Stipe: 3mm thick
Mushroom was ~6cm tall
Sporeprint: Deep purple
Bruising: Blue


I beleive they were both P. allenii variants but I would like a second opinion...

NOW for my Galerina Question:  Does anyone know where I can find a list of the Galerina sp. that bruise BLUE?

Thanks in advance (as usual) for your input :thumbup:


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17401570 - 12/16/12 01:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Is that an annulus around the stem on the two middle pics? The first and last pics kinda look like stuntzii. The two middle ones kinda look like cyanescens except that annulus.:shrug: Did they all have an annulus??


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17401620 - 12/16/12 01:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Probably Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: Lepkaun]
    #17401917 - 12/16/12 02:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Lepkaun said:
Is that an annulus around the stem on the two middle pics? The first and last pics kinda look like stuntzii. The two middle ones kinda look like cyanescens except that annulus.:shrug: Did they all have an annulus??




YES; from my recollection they all did.
The presence of an annulus, coloration of the caps and overall size in the bottom picture also had me mulling over P. ovoid; however to the naked eye the gill shots look nearly identical to P. allenii.  Are P. ovoid and P. allenii gills similar macroscopically? I also noticed that some of the gills connected (forming a "Y").


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17401969 - 12/16/12 02:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I should clarify that the blue ring was NOT raised in any way, it could only be seen, and would not have been noticed by touch...


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17401986 - 12/16/12 02:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Are P. ovoid and P. allenii gills similar macroscopically?




Not really.  The light brown color at that stage of maturity makes it look like ovoideocystidiata.  Check the spore size and shape, and pleurocystidia shape.

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I also noticed that some of the gills connected (forming a "Y").




That is a feature that is not traditionally considered taxonomically significant in the genus Psilocybe, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have taxonomic value.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17402095 - 12/16/12 02:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Are you currently in Southern Cal, or just from there? More specifically what general region/area did you pick them in(Northern Cali, SW Washington, Seattle metro, New Cluster-fuck East Virginia, etc...)?


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: ambc]
    #17402113 - 12/16/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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ambc said:
Are you currently in Southern Cal, or just from there?




Neither.  I am in SF.

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More specifically what general region/area did you pick them in(Northern Cali, SW Washington, Seattle metro, New Cluster-fuck East Virginia, etc...)?




Wait, who are you talking to?  Did you forget to set the reply-to field?


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17402120 - 12/16/12 03:01 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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SoCalHunter said:
Are P. ovoid and P. allenii gills similar macroscopically?




Not really.  The light brown color at that stage of maturity makes it look like ovoideocystidiata.  Check the spore size and shape, and pleurocystidia shape.


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I also noticed that some of the gills connected (forming a "Y").




That is a feature that is not traditionally considered taxonomically significant in the genus Psilocybe, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have taxonomic value.


 

I don't have any gill tissue for microscopy at this time maybe one day :smile:  I do remember the gills having a light olive-green-caramel hue to them.

Ok, I wasn't sure (IMO its better to be overly descriptive).  just for my own clarification: The branching of gills isn't of Taxonomic value in this Genus unless you start trying to narrow down subspecies?


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17402138 - 12/16/12 03:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok, I wasn't sure (IMO its better to be overly descriptive).  just for my own clarification: The branching of gills isn't of Taxonomic value in this Genus unless you start trying to narrow down subspecies?




I think that feature lacks taxonomic value, even at the subspecies level.  See The Genus Psilocybe by Gaston Guzman page 16.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17402140 - 12/16/12 03:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I was talking to SoCalHunter, i mean the actives he is asking about. I guess It is always good to specify.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: ambc]
    #17402157 - 12/16/12 03:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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ambc said:
Are you currently in Southern Cal, or just from there? More specifically what general region/area did you pick them in(Northern Cali, SW Washington, Seattle metro, New Cluster-fuck East Virginia, etc...)?




First; not to be rude man (I just dont know how else to say it) My current location is irrelivent.. These were photographed just north of LA last year.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17402166 - 12/16/12 03:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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SoCalHunter said:
Ok, I wasn't sure (IMO its better to be overly descriptive).  just for my own clarification: The branching of gills isn't of Taxonomic value in this Genus unless you start trying to narrow down subspecies?




I think that feature lacks taxonomic value, even at the subspecies level.  See The Genus Psilocybe by Gaston Guzman page 16.




Ok, thank you sir; will take a look at the PDF when I have a free minute.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #17402225 - 12/16/12 03:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Your current loc. is totally irrelevant. I suppose I could have deleted that version of the question when the more direct wording materialized but personal style is, or at least can be, a big part of communication. All i wanted to know was where you found the mushrooms.


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: ambc]
    #17402257 - 12/16/12 03:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Found a blurry gill shot mixed in; I figured it couldnt hurt :shrug:


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ambc said:
Your current loc. is totally irrelevant. I suppose I could have deleted that version of the question when the more direct wording materialized but personal style is, or at least can be, a big part of communication. All i wanted to know was where you found the mushrooms.



No worries, I appreciate the help; I just wanted to clarify the verbage :cheers:


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: ambc]
    #17402537 - 12/16/12 04:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, I should have paid attention to the preview. I only intended "totally" to show up in italics.

Back to the subject at hand. I pick a species of Psilocybe in NW Oregon during the spring that show up some years in the fall/winter depending on the conditions, but in considerably less abundance. I only have pictures of specimens collected during the spring unfortunately because during the winter most of them don't reach anywhere near the size they do in the spring and the gills usually remain light in color instead of darkening with the maturing spores. The spore production is severely reduced in the winter specimens. The majority of these have an annulus that you can't really feel but just see (some specimens have a bulbous "knob" in the stem at the annulus). Your finds closely resemble my winter finds of this species. I thought they were Ps. stuntzii at first because a friend who had picked quite a few stuntzii said  that was what they were after seeing maybe half a dozen of them. Then I showed him a bunch and he wasn't so sure. On top of that this species is very potent, comparable to Ps. cyanescens, I have heard that stuntzii aren't nearly as strong. I also posted this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12197153#12197153 since this thread I have been calling them Psilocybe subaeruginascens, although this ID has not been confirmed with a microscope. I have planned on sending a specimen to someone to have them correctly placed in the taxonomy but had a lot of other things happening for awhile that made it difficult to take care of that.   

Oh, one more question... When you dried these mushrooms,  if you dried them, did the gills remain attached to the stipe, or did they all split off leaving them appear as though they weren't ever attached?


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Re: Active ID & Galerina question... [Re: ambc]
    #17411847 - 12/18/12 12:24 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

From what I can recall their gills also remain light in coloration through all stages of development ( although the older specimends DO take on a light olive- green hue over pale gills.)
Their annulus is only visible because of the blue ring (bruising) that remains around their stipe; from what I can recall their isn't anything remotely bulbous on the stipe (of the above pictured specimends)

I still havent nailed down an exact species for these guys either and microscopy help IS WELCOME (pm) :thumbs:  I do have to ask though, what hoops need to be jumped thru (the legalities) inorder to send a tissue sample/spore print/ gill cross section to someone for VALID scientific research purposes? (assuming the patch hasn't been destroyed over the past year, I'm up for it; I just dont wanna get boned in the process)

As for drying these and their potency; I cant answer either of those questions for you.  I dont partake in the sacred fungi, I just enjoy photography, and have a sweet tooth for wild edibles (Chants, Oysters, COTW, Porcinis ECT) which in turn spurred my fascination for all things Mycological..


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