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My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... * 16
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I think about the visitation of violence and death upon children in the US today and I am saddened, not for the same reasons that everyone else is saddened.

My sadness comes from the realization that in many other nations there are children being tortured and slaughtered that none pay any attention to;

The child soldier bleeding out in the jungles of Africa is forgotten, the little girls who are
mutilated by circumcision are cast aside, the children in American ghettos catching stray bullets are deemed nothing more than an statistic.

Why do you think that these kids are any more important than the countless others who die around the globe? You might think that I am jerk who is trivializing a great tragedy, you are wrong, you are the jerk because you think that because I point out the deplorable state of the world that I am somehow detracting from the tragedy of today.

The world is a sickening place in many respects, you can hide away from the truly nasty stuff, and if it takes someone pointing out that today's shooting was just another disgusting moment in the horror show that we call the human experience, then you are truly a low human being if it takes something of this magnitude to draw you out of your social networking, self centered, "progressive" life, then you might actually see the world for what it is and find some semblance of drive to perhaps create change for the better.

Then so be it, this is my cry to the ignorant masses. You either wake up or give up.

This species makes me sick, I am tired of what we have become


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Edited by AmazonianGuru (12/14/12 06:51 PM)

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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I china they work them kids til they have like nasty arthritis and shit by the time they're twenty.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
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You're right.

I really don't ever think about the other children all over the world facing deplorable conditions. Those who are starving and dying of diseases.

Honestly, I'd rather donate to an animal shelter.

I simply do not care.
Other peoples children are not my concern.

Of course when bad things happen, and they're on the news or whatnot, especially things like what happened today, it is sad. But any other day, I'm not thinking about those starving, dying children.

This makes me a bitch, I know, and I don't care about that either.


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Edited by VivaLaMushie (12/14/12 06:33 PM)

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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I second every statement made here.
Wholeheartedly. :mad2:

Well fucking said, UniversalShaman.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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UniversalShaman said:



the little girls who are mutilated by circumcision are cast aside,




:lolwut:

Edited by Rifki (12/14/12 06:39 PM)

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 3
    #17393441 -

To assume you're the only person who feels this way and to be disgusted by others because of that assumption is a little ignorant, IMO.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre] * 1
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so would you be happier if the national news didn't cover this event?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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The op is truth. This one just seems sadder because it's thrust into our faces on every form of media we used today.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Rifki]
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Rifki said:
UniversalShaman said:



the little girls who are mutilated by circumcision are cast aside,




:lolwut:


A female circumcision is the removal of the clitoral hood.

But some cut off the clitoris and inner and outer labia.
Disgusting mutilation.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: questioneverything] * 1
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Been thrusted*

We are ignorant of any of the details usually of anything similar to this in other areas or other times. Usually ignorant that anything even happened.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: questioneverything] * 6
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so let me get this straight.

the news is thrust into our faces because we have no choice in what they decide to cover, but yet we're assholes who are "hiding" because we can only be made aware of what's happening in our world through media outlets.

air. tight.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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UniversalShaman said:
I think about the visitation of violence and death upon children in the US today and I am saddened, not for the same reasons that everyone else is saddened.

My sadness comes from the realization that in many other nations there are children being tortured and slaughtered that none pay any attention to;

The child soldier bleeding out in the jungles of Africa is forgotten, the little girls who are
mutilated by circumcision are cast aside, the children in American ghettos catching stray bullets are deemed nothing more than an statistic.

Why do you think that these kids are any more important than the countless others who die around the globe? You might think that I am jerk who is trivializing a great tragedy, you are wrong, you are the jerk because you think that because I point out the deplorable state of the world that I am somehow detracting from the tragedy of today.

The world is a sickening place in many respects, you can hide away from the truly nasty stuff, and if it takes someone pointing out that today's shooting was just another disgusting moment in the horror show that we call the human experience, then you are truly a low human being if it takes something of this magnitude to draw you out of your social networking, self centered, "progressive" life, then you might actually see the world for what it is and find some semblance of drive to perhaps create change for the better.

Then so be it, this is my cry to the ignorant masses. You either wake up or give up.

This species makes me sick, I am tired of what we have become


You should rejoice. We are living in the safest, most peaceful, and least violent period in human history.
http://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/0143122010/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355536549&sr=1-1&keywords=pinker

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Confucian]
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the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said:
Rifki said:
UniversalShaman said:



the little girls who are mutilated by circumcision are cast aside,




:lolwut:


A female circumcision is the removal of the clitoral hood.

But some cut off the clitoris and inner and outer labia.
Disgusting mutilation.



On this topic, the fact that so many male babies are genitally mutilated and it is overlooked goes right along with this thread.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Confucian]
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All of it is there all the time if you want to see it and know about it.  The fact that the media focuses on one event over another is just proof of how corrupt the media in fact has become and not an indictment of the human race.

We have a little way to go before we have to write off everyone.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: millzy]
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millzy said:
the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


Measured how?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: mpd] * 1
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how is the media covering this a sign of its corruption? moreover, why is it my duty to know about every single fucked up thing that goes on in the world? this argument has absolutely zero substance.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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There are people in the world who are in more pain than you, but that does not mean your pain does not matter.
I cannot help but to be sad when thinking about those innocent children who were killed and the mothers and fathers who no longer get to see their children. I have a 5 yr old little girl, it could have been her. I couldn't imagine losing my child, let alone like that.
I am also saddened when thinking of other unfortunate situations around the world, but some ask for it themselves, they continue to have children knowing they cannot provide or that they will ultimately get disease and die. For those people, I do not feel bad, I only feel bad for the children, they didn't ask for that.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
millzy said:
the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


Measured how?


measured by how we've industrialized killing each other to a point to where we can kill hundreds of thousands with one bomb. we're at an unprecedented point in history where military supremacy poses an existential threat to all of humanity. you say that "the truth is out there if we only look" while you make these claims that aren't even generally based in the real.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: millzy] * 2
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millzy said:
mpd said:
millzy said:
the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


Measured how?


measured by how we've industrialized killing each other to a point to where we can kill hundreds of thousands with one bomb. we're at an unprecedented point in history where military supremacy poses an existential threat to all of humanity. you say that "the truth is out there if we only look" while you make these claims that aren't even generally based in the real.


In centuries past dictators extinguished more than 12% of our surface population and yet you didn't know that.  What is real?  I guess you need to go back to class and find out.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
millzy said:
mpd said:
millzy said:
the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


Measured how?


measured by how we've industrialized killing each other to a point to where we can kill hundreds of thousands with one bomb. we're at an unprecedented point in history where military supremacy poses an existential threat to all of humanity. you say that "the truth is out there if we only look" while you make these claims that aren't even generally based in the real.


In centuries past dictators extinguished more than 12% of our surface population and yet you didn't know that.  What is real?  I guess you need to go back to class and find out.


bullshit. name one.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
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UniversalShaman said:
I think about the visitation of violence and death upon children in the US today and I am saddened, not for the same reasons that everyone else is saddened.

My sadness comes from the realization that in many other nations there are children being tortured and slaughtered that none pay any attention to;

The child soldier bleeding out in the jungles of Africa is forgotten, the little girls who are
mutilated by circumcision are cast aside, the children in American ghettos catching stray bullets are deemed nothing more than an statistic.

Why do you think that these kids are any more important than the countless others who die around the globe? You might think that I am jerk who is trivializing a great tragedy, you are wrong, you are the jerk because you think that because I point out the deplorable state of the world that I am somehow detracting from the tragedy of today.

The world is a sickening place in many respects, you can hide away from the truly nasty stuff, and if it takes someone pointing out that today's shooting was just another disgusting moment in the horror show that we call the human experience, then you are truly a low human being if it takes something of this magnitude to draw you out of your social networking, self centered, "progressive" life, then you might actually see the world for what it is and find some semblance of drive to perhaps create change for the better.

Then so be it, this is my cry to the ignorant masses. You either wake up or give up.

This species makes me sick, I am tired of what we have become

Don't know why you find it controversial, one of the best, well said views on the subject ive heard. this point needs to sink into everyone.:thumbup:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: billy jowl]
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i agree with the OP

people hear shit like this and are suddenly like omg this is awful and talk about how awful it is for 3 days until they inevitably forget about it

meanwhile in poorer areas of the country and even the world this shit happens all the time

people who today are like "this shit is awful" and like tries to take a stand are fucking hypocrites, sheep, and just looking for attention

this shit happens, you cant dwell on it, it sucks, but its really just another news story

i truly feel bad for the kids and the families, but unfortunately it happened and you cant dwell on it


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak] * 1
    #17393854 -

completely agree with you OP.


worst part is - HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord] * 1
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JesusIsLord said:
completely agree with you OP.


worst part is - HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


My fork makes me fat, my pencil is to blame for spelling mistakes. Guns kill people, etc, etc.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord]
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Quote:
HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


WTF Jesus, usually I agree with you, but gun control is needed when some dumbass can just randomly execute a bunch of kids.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17393870 -

:nonono:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord] * 2
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:nomoreinternet:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: lazyfingers] * 2
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lazyfingers said:
Quote:
HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


WTF Jesus, usually I agree with you, but gun control is needed when some dumbass can just randomly execute a bunch of kids.


if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

guns are ALL that keep government from tyranny.

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are
the peoples' liberty's teeth" – George Washington


sounds like you don't understand freedom and how fragile and hard won it is in the fucking slightest.

just LOOK at what happens to countries that outlaw personal firearm ownership. look at crimes rates. THEY GO UP BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT AVERAGE CITIZENS AREN'T ARMED.

:kingcrankey:


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Edited by JesusIsLord (12/14/12 08:13 PM)

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl] * 2
    #17393891 -

If a man wants to kill some kids, he should have to strangle them with his bare hands.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: lazyfingers]
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i undertsand the analogy when people say "forks dont make people fat, guns dont kill people"

but ur so fucking wrong, guns do fucking kill people and you cant compare that to a fat person who uses a fork to eat, zero comparison there

the only real way to stop what just happened today, IS for more gun control

idk why people think guns are so cool, cuz they really arent...they just make you look like a tool unless ur using it for hunting or for actual protection

not like faggots who have guns and like show them off to people and try to make their small dicks look big


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said:
lazyfingers said:
Quote:
HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


WTF Jesus, usually I agree with you, but gun control is needed when some dumbass can just randomly execute a bunch of kids.


if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

guns are ALL that keep government from tyranny.

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are
the peoples' liberty's teeth" – George Washington


sounds like you don't understand freedom for in the fucking slightest.

just LOOK at what happens to countries that outlaw personal firearm ownership. look at crimes rates. THEY GO UP BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT AVERAGE CITIZENS AREN'T ARMED.

:kingcrankey:



washington also said that like 200 fucking years ago dude, thats a really bad quote right there

try something a little more modern and relevant


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: lazyfingers]
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He probably could have killed just as many kids with a sword, they would have a died a much more painful and gruesome death. stopping guns won't stop killing. As if you could actually stop guns in the first place, it's impossible.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
    #17393906 -

Bassfreak said:
JesusIsLord said:
lazyfingers said:
Quote:
HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


WTF Jesus, usually I agree with you, but gun control is needed when some dumbass can just randomly execute a bunch of kids.


if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

guns are ALL that keep government from tyranny.

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are
the peoples' liberty's teeth" – George Washington


sounds like you don't understand freedom for in the fucking slightest.

just LOOK at what happens to countries that outlaw personal firearm ownership. look at crimes rates. THEY GO UP BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT AVERAGE CITIZENS AREN'T ARMED.

:kingcrankey:



washington also said that like 200 fucking years ago dude, thats a really bad quote right there

try something a little more modern and relevant


yeah, and what has changed? absolutely fucking nothing has changed in 200 years. guns still serve the same purpose now they did then.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said:
He probably could have killed just as many kids with a sword, they would have a died a much more painful and gruesome death. stopping guns won't stop killing. As if you could actually stop guns in the first place, it's impossible.



u seriously think they still woulda killed 20 people with a sword? doubt it

guns take one second to kill someone and u can do it from a distance, not the case with a sword

guns are much more danergous and lethal than swords in every imaginable way


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
    #17393926 -

You've obviously never watched Kill Bill

:douchewink:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord]
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"yeah, and what has changed? absolutely fucking nothing has changed in 200 years. guns still serve the same purpose now they did then"


nothing has changed in 200 years? LOL

ok kiddo

PLENTY has changed in 200 years, a fucking shitload

one for example is that they didnt have automatic weapons back then and they were mostly single shot guns

you are so incredibly fucking wrong lol


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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Bassfreak said:
Tmethyl said:
He probably could have killed just as many kids with a sword, they would have a died a much more painful and gruesome death. stopping guns won't stop killing. As if you could actually stop guns in the first place, it's impossible.



u seriously think they still woulda killed 20 people with a sword? doubt it

guns take one second to kill someone and u can do it from a distance, not the case with a sword

guns are much more danergous and lethal than swords in every imaginable way


uh, it is EASILY feasible to kill dozens if not more with a razor sharp katana. absolutely no problem. hell i could kill a few dozen with my compound bow before anyone even knew what the hell was happening.


i could kill people with a freaking ROCK if I wanted. or my CAR. and just mow people down on the sidewalk.

what're we gonna do then, make rocks and cars illegal?

make butter knives illegal?


where the fuck does this idiocy end?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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Nuclear bombs don't kill people. People kill people.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord]
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a person could not kill as many people in a short amount of time as a person with a gun, no fucking question

specially when the clock is ticking with the police about to show up

with a gun if someone runs away, u can kill them in a second

if everyone all just ran away in opposite directions, he coulda killed 5 people maybe, tops


its not like he has all day to do this shit, theres something call law enforcement and SWAT teams


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Confucian]
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It's really not idiocy to interfere between a criminal and a crime, it's sanity and rational practicality of the highest form.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Confucian]
    #17393943 -

Confucian said:
Nuclear bombs don't kill people. People kill people.



people take MUCH better care with nuclear weapons than a normal gun dude

and guns are much more available

idk what ur even really trying to prove here, but ur wrong


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said:
Bassfreak said:
Tmethyl said:
He probably could have killed just as many kids with a sword, they would have a died a much more painful and gruesome death. stopping guns won't stop killing. As if you could actually stop guns in the first place, it's impossible.



u seriously think they still woulda killed 20 people with a sword? doubt it

guns take one second to kill someone and u can do it from a distance, not the case with a sword

guns are much more danergous and lethal than swords in every imaginable way


uh, it is EASILY feasible to kill dozens if not more with a razor sharp katana. absolutely no problem. hell i could kill a few dozen with my compound bow before anyone even knew what the hell was happening.


i could kill people with a freaking ROCK if I wanted. or my CAR. and just mow people down on the sidewalk.

what're we gonna do then, make rocks and cars illegal?

make butter knives illegal?


where the fuck does this idiocy end?


Exactly a sword is fucking deadly.
Should not be underestimated.



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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak] * 1
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more funding and easier access to mental health services, not gun control, guns are here to stay legal or not


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: billy jowl] * 1
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yeah but u cant kill someone with a sword from a distance of more thna 5 feet

if people run away, there goes your school massacre and u just look like a stupid fucking asshole

guns are infintely more dangerous than a sword


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: billy jowl]
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The average person is an idiot. We all know this. Why is it such an inexusable offense to keep guns away from idiots.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak] * 2
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The kids are trapped in a fucking class room huddled into the corners, a sword would be fucking massacre.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: lazyfingers]
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bc selling guns is a business to people

they wanna make money just as bad as the next person

guns are bought for one main reason, killing and shooting

its only purpose are those 2 things


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said:
The kids are trapped in a fucking class room huddled into the corners, a sword would be fucking massacre.




ok who says they would run into a corner

even a kid would have the sense to run away from a dude with a sword


whats he gonna do, throw the sword at you?

sorry but ur so fucking wrong lol, but keep trying!!!


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: lazyfingers]
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lazyfingers said:
The average person is an idiot. We all know this. Why is it such an inexusable offense to keep guns away from idiots.


because making laws based on the lowest common denominator is fucking stupid.


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guns are for pussies


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Bassfreak said:
Tmethyl said:
The kids are trapped in a fucking class room huddled into the corners, a sword would be fucking massacre.




ok who says they would run into a corner

even a kid would have the sense to run away from a dude with a sword


whats he gonna do, throw the sword at you?

sorry but ur so fucking wrong lol, but keep trying!!!


no he's actually quite right.

standard school lockdowns in these situations is to turn the lights off and hide under your desk, just hoping the killer in your school won't notice you.

tmethyl is right, it would be shooting fish in a barrel.


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Quote:
lazyfingers said:
The average person is an idiot. We all know this. Why is it such an inexusable offense to keep guns away from idiots.





because making laws based on the lowest common denominator is fucking stupid.




If gun violence happens so frequently, it's not the lowest common denominator.

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JesusIsLord said:
Bassfreak said:
Tmethyl said:
The kids are trapped in a fucking class room huddled into the corners, a sword would be fucking massacre.




ok who says they would run into a corner

even a kid would have the sense to run away from a dude with a sword


whats he gonna do, throw the sword at you?

sorry but ur so fucking wrong lol, but keep trying!!!


no he's actually quite right.

standard school lockdowns in these situations is to turn the lights off and hide under your desk, just hoping the killer in your school won't notice you.

tmethyl is right, it would be shooting fish in a barrel.




the point is that a gun would make this situation MUCH more easy and ultimately kill more people

and the sword would not be a massacre, not nearly as much as an automatic weapon

if u do not agree then you simply are retarded


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Bassfreak said:
Confucian said:
Nuclear bombs don't kill people. People kill people.



people take MUCH better care with nuclear weapons than a normal gun dude

and guns are much more available

idk what ur even really trying to prove here, but ur wrong


:orly:

remember when the soviet union disbanded?

pretty sure there's a good amount of nukes unaccounted for floating around out there.


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Bassfreak said:
JesusIsLord said:
Bassfreak said:
Tmethyl said:
The kids are trapped in a fucking class room huddled into the corners, a sword would be fucking massacre.




ok who says they would run into a corner

even a kid would have the sense to run away from a dude with a sword


whats he gonna do, throw the sword at you?

sorry but ur so fucking wrong lol, but keep trying!!!


no he's actually quite right.

standard school lockdowns in these situations is to turn the lights off and hide under your desk, just hoping the killer in your school won't notice you.

tmethyl is right, it would be shooting fish in a barrel.




the point is that a gun would make this situation MUCH more easy and ultimately kill more people

and the sword would not be a massacre, not nearly as much as an automatic weapon

if u do not agree then you simply are retarded


Guns quickly run out of bullets.

Need I say more?

Ok, swords don't. :tongue:


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lazyfingers said:
Quote:
lazyfingers said:
The average person is an idiot. We all know this. Why is it such an inexusable offense to keep guns away from idiots.





because making laws based on the lowest common denominator is fucking stupid.




If gun violence happens so frequently, it's not the lowest common denominator.


except gun violence doesn't happen that frequently.

more people die from alcohol related problems than guns.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Tmethyl]
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yeah bc people ready to go on a shooting rampage only bring 2 fucking bullets

are u serious?

ur fucking stupid

case closed


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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if someone runs away from a sword, they will stay alive

if someone runs away from a gun, they will still be shot

how is this so fucking hard to grasp?


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Quote:
more people die from alcohol related problems than guns.


How do you even know this? Plenty of people get shot, buried in cement, disappear, and are never accounted for.

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Bassfreak said:
if someone runs away from a sword, they will stay alive

if someone runs away from a gun, they will still be shot

how is this so fucking hard to grasp?


Because the guy with the sword is not stationary or static, he can run too.

Dip shit
I bet a 24yr old man can outrun some elementary school kids.
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and because rooms dont have walls or doors....


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lazyfingers said:
Quote:
more people die from alcohol related problems than guns.


How do you even know this? Plenty of people get shot, buried in cement, disappear, and are never accounted for.


statistics :raveface:
done wasting time debating this.


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statistics lie, but someone shooting your children is truth.

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Tmethyl said:
Bassfreak said:
if someone runs away from a sword, they will stay alive

if someone runs away from a gun, they will still be shot

how is this so fucking hard to grasp?


Because the guy with the sword is not stationary or static, he can run too.

Dip shit

:datass:



he can only run one way

if the victims are smart enough they will run in opposite directions

one guy can only go in one place...assuming every person is on one spot is a bad assumption

some schools have different polices than others, not every school in the US turns off the lights and hopes the killer walks past them

some schools have doors in their classrooms where they can simply walk outside, how do u explain that?

you are so incredibly fucking dense

guns are more dnagerous than swords, if u disagree then ur fucking retarded :kingtard:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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and are elementary schools the oly schools targeted? no

im sure plenty of high schoolers could outrun a 24 year old

so there goes that theory


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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I want to convey my heartache to people caught up with this terrible tragedy.

I haven't read through the 4 pages of this thread, but as a member of this forum, I want to express my horror and shock to all of you.

I love America as a nation, but I think you have a lot of hard questions to answer. Maybe now is the time to question your policy about firearms. I don't know. All I know is that this tragedy really hurt me today. But I haven't made this post to make a point.

It just hurts that always in the run up to Christmas, there are tragedies. To me, in my country this hurt.

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There is a crisis of mental health care out there, and it needs addressing. They cut back on services, but this needs to be addressed. This could have been stopped. This is a system failure.

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Holy shit, that was so controversial.  You really stepped out of the norm on that one.  Pass that joint, stoner. :awehigh:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BothHands]
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Holy shit I agree with bassfreak? :mindblown:


JesusIsLord said:
completely agree with you OP.


worst part is - HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


*sigh* I don't know why this is so hard to understand:

Gun control =/=  making firearms illegal.


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BothHands, I'm not sure what you mean? There is a mental health crisis in my country, and in USA as well I'm sure. Did I say something wrong?

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: igCorcaigh]
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A sword is powerful shit, people dont just make swords out of thin air, hell we had a stick with a sharp rock on the end of it for like 100,000 years.


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Guns were different back in the day, really inaccurate mostly killed people because of the infections they received.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: igCorcaigh]
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If you look closely, you'll see I replied to the OP.  He made the safest most politically correct "controversial post" I've ever seen on the shroomery.  I was just poking a little fun


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igCorcaigh said:
BothHands, I'm not sure what you mean? There is a mental health crisis in my country, and in USA as well I'm sure. Did I say something wrong?


she was talking to OP. not you, man.
BothHands said:
If you look closely, you'll see I replied to the OP.  He made the safest most politically correct "controversial post" I've ever seen on the shroomery.  I was just poking a little fun


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Konyap]
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I don't know what the solution is, but the fact that any crazy can go buy a gun, surely has to be part of it? Am I wrong?

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OK bud. akira_akuma

Edited by igCorcaigh (12/14/12 09:17 PM)

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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Bassfreak said:
guns are more dnagerous than swords, if u disagree then ur fucking retarded :kingtard:


I never claimed or even insinuated that they were more "dnagerous", nor did I disagree that they were more or less "dnagerous".

What I said was:
Tmethyl said:
He probably could have killed just as many kids with a sword, they would have a died a much more painful and gruesome death.


And that they were not to be underestimated.
You're superiority complex, and self-righteous ways morphed my words into making them say what you wished I would have said.
:thisisterrible:

Why are we arguing about the most effective way to kill kids?
I think I'm done.


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no he PROBABLY wouldnt have bc guns are more dangerous and have more range and can kill you and a group of people much faster

these people dont have all day, they have a few minutes tops before police/SWAT arrive

so you are still wrong


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holy crap bassfreak  you have WON the hypothetical situation! :taco:


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bassfreak u rule :thumbup: :cool:

Dont listen to the h8era


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JesusIsLord said:
holy crap bassfreak  you have WON the hypothetical situation! :taco:



no shit


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Sheekle said:
bassfreak u rule :thumbup: :cool:

Dont listen to the h8era



thats just them giving up their stupid argument that never made sense from the beginning

they have been pwn'ed tho


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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LOL never thought this would spiral out of control the way it did.


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UniversalShaman said:
I think about the visitation of violence and death upon children in the US today and I am saddened, not for the same reasons that everyone else is saddened.

My sadness comes from the realization that in many other nations there are children being tortured and slaughtered that none pay any attention to;

The child soldier bleeding out in the jungles of Africa is forgotten, the little girls who are
mutilated by circumcision are cast aside, the children in American ghettos catching stray bullets are deemed nothing more than an statistic.

Why do you think that these kids are any more important than the countless others who die around the globe? You might think that I am jerk who is trivializing a great tragedy, you are wrong, you are the jerk because you think that because I point out the deplorable state of the world that I am somehow detracting from the tragedy of today.

The world is a sickening place in many respects, you can hide away from the truly nasty stuff, and if it takes someone pointing out that today's shooting was just another disgusting moment in the horror show that we call the human experience, then you are truly a low human being if it takes something of this magnitude to draw you out of your social networking, self centered, "progressive" life, then you might actually see the world for what it is and find some semblance of drive to perhaps create change for the better.

Then so be it, this is my cry to the ignorant masses. You either wake up or give up.

This species makes me sick, I am tired of what we have become


I was glad about the shooting for the same reasons. Mr Obama has ordered the murder of over 2,000 children in Pakistan through drone strikes. I feel good in my heart when a sample of this suffering comes back upon the people responsible for it.


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Rail_Gun said:
I was glad about the shooting for the same reasons. Mr Obama has ordered the murder of over 2,000 children in Pakistan through drone strikes. I feel good in my heart when a sample of this suffering comes back upon the people responsible for it.


What the fuck? Those children were completely innocent and had nothing to do with the drone strikes. Neither did their families or their classmates who witnessed their friends being shot.


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Rail_Gun said:
Mr Obama has ordered the murder of over 2,000 children in Pakistan through drone strikes.


when he did that fake ass crying bit i wanted to projectile vomit.


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Shins said:
Rail_Gun said:
Mr Obama has ordered the murder of over 2,000 children in Pakistan through drone strikes.


when he did that fake ass crying bit i wanted to projectile vomit.


Yes, he is a total hypocrit. He ran on closing gitmo and ending torture and extrajudicial killings but has only expanded all those programs.


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JoieDeVivre said:
Rail_Gun said:
I was glad about the shooting for the same reasons. Mr Obama has ordered the murder of over 2,000 children in Pakistan through drone strikes. I feel good in my heart when a sample of this suffering comes back upon the people responsible for it.


What the fuck? Those children were completely innocent and had nothing to do with the drone strikes. Neither did their families or their classmates who witnessed their friends being shot.


A lot of those people voted for Mr Obama. And they all pay taxes to fund the war machine. They are directly responsible for foreign murders. If they don't support those policies personally they likely voted for the evil men who do as well as help the infrastructure to maintain it's foreign massacres of poor people.


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Truth ^


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Rail_Gun said:
A lot of those people voted for Mr Obama. And they all pay taxes to fund the war machine. They are directly responsible for foreign murders. If they don't support those policies personally they likely voted for the evil men who do as well as help the infrastructure to maintain it's foreign massacres of poor people.


What, would it have been morally better for them to vote for Romney? They are not directly responsible for foreign murders. None of those children voted, they were completely innocent and to say you feel good that those children died and others will undergo suffering their entire lives just because you're assuming their families somehow support foreign massacres, based upon no evidence whatsoever, is disgusting.


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My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today...


those kids deserved it

discuss...


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Rail_Gun said:
A lot of those people voted for Mr Obama. And they all pay taxes to fund the war machine. They are directly responsible for foreign murders. If they don't support those policies personally they likely voted for the evil men who do as well as help the infrastructure to maintain it's foreign massacres of poor people.


What, would it have been morally better for them to vote for Romney? They are not directly responsible for foreign murders. None of those children voted, they were completely innocent and to say you feel good that those children died and others will undergo suffering their entire lives just because you're assuming their families somehow support foreign massacres, based upon no evidence whatsoever, is disgusting.


romeny or obama were not the only choices.

if you voted for Obama, the blood is on your hands and it i hypocritical for you to get upset about this recent shooting because you voted for a man who kills innocent children all the time.


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Shins said:
romeny or obama were not the only choices.

if you voted for Obama, the blood is on your hands and it i hypocritical for you to get upset about this recent shooting because you voted for a man who kills innocent children all the time.


You're unbelievable. The other choice was who, Gary Johnson who would offer no foreign aid to people being massacred and starving in other countries? Like that's so much better?


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JoieDeVivre said:
Rail_Gun said:
A lot of those people voted for Mr Obama. And they all pay taxes to fund the war machine. They are directly responsible for foreign murders. If they don't support those policies personally they likely voted for the evil men who do as well as help the infrastructure to maintain it's foreign massacres of poor people.


What, would it have been morally better for them to vote for Romney? They are not directly responsible for foreign murders. None of those children voted, they were completely innocent and to say you feel good that those children died and others will undergo suffering their entire lives just because you're assuming their families somehow support foreign massacres, based upon no evidence whatsoever, is disgusting.


No. Romney like mr Obama is a member of the demo-republican party. There are no real differences between their policies. The only moral choice in my opinion is to cast a protest vote for a third party and withdraw your consent from the elected military-industrial-central banking cartel.


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JoieDeVivre said:
Shins said:
romeny or obama were not the only choices.

if you voted for Obama, the blood is on your hands and it i hypocritical for you to get upset about this recent shooting because you voted for a man who kills innocent children all the time.


You're unbelievable. The other choice was who, Gary Johnson who would offer no foreign aid to people being massacred and starving in other countries? Like that's so much better?


you could have voted jill stein, but instead you chose to vote for a baby killer.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
you could have voted jill stein.


I would have voted Jill Stein if she was even on the radar, she should have waited until 2016 and made a realistic bid for the Democratic nomination. She would likely be a great president but the way she approaches trying to get in office shows me she doesn't really know how to play the game and she'll never get into office if she can't even promote herself well.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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so instead you voted for a killer of innocent women and children.

now you're complaining when innocent women and children get killed.

make up your mind.


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JoieDeVivre said:
Shins said:
romeny or obama were not the only choices.

if you voted for Obama, the blood is on your hands and it i hypocritical for you to get upset about this recent shooting because you voted for a man who kills innocent children all the time.


You're unbelievable. The other choice was who, Gary Johnson who would offer no foreign aid to people being massacred and starving in other countries? Like that's so much better?


Mr Johnson earned my vote. I withdrew my consent from my government when I cast that vote too. You are correct that Mr Johnson would end foreign aid and correctly so, in fact he would keep our genocidal fingers out of other nations business where we have no business being at all. Since WW2 the USA has invaded or forcefully overthrown over 55 nations, many of them peaceful democracies. When you vote for a demo-republican candidate you are literally voting for third reich like policies, murder, and torture of poor and colored people, and oppression of all kinds worse than anything Hitler ever did.


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Bassfreak said:
My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today...


those kids deserved it

discuss...


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: millzy]
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millzy said:
the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history.


Measured how?


measured by how we've industrialized killing each other to a point to where we can kill hundreds of thousands with one bomb. we're at an unprecedented point in history where military supremacy poses an existential threat to all of humanity. you say that "the truth is out there if we only look" while you make these claims that aren't even generally based in the real.


In centuries past dictators extinguished more than 12% of our surface population and yet you didn't know that.  What is real?  I guess you need to go back to class and find out.


bullshit. name one.


hahahaha

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Shins said:
so instead you voted for a killer of innocent women and children.

now you're complaining when innocent women and children get killed.

make up your mind.


if all leaders are responsible for their wars (which in your statement, seems to be argued), then it doesnt matter who you vote for because all presidents and pms and elected leaders of countries involved in violent conflicts are (or would be as soon as they took in office) "killer(s) of innocent women and children"

is that a reason not to vote? if he voted for romney and addressed the recent shooting, he would have still have voted for a 'killer'.

whatever point you are trying to make about voting or the president's involvement in war or shooting, it is either weak. what is the point? how does voting for obama negate one's right to have emotions or opinions about the elementary school shooting? which it seems you are implying

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im implying it's hypocritical to have feelings for this shooting but then go out and vote for obama who orders drone strikes that kill children all the time.

these people dont seem to have any sympathy for all the children who are killed by obama's orders, but boo fucking hoo when some american kids on TV are killed.


both are horrid, but some people chose not to see one of the two.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Shins]
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More than that though... It is hypocritical to support voting for one child killer and condemn another. It is amusing to witness the level of doublethink most people are capable of in this matter.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
To assume you're the only person who feels this way and to be disgusted by others because of that assumption is a little ignorant, IMO.


Yuh, true this.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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Omg soooooooooooo controversial!! :datass: omg


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: igCorcaigh]
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igCorcaigh said:
There is a crisis of mental health care out there, and it needs addressing. They cut back on services, but this needs to be addressed. This could have been stopped. This is a system failure.


There is a crisis in mental health care in most of the world. Its expensive and people dont want to pay for it. What can you do anyway? Force meds down their throats? While i support better mental health treatment i disagree any amount of change in the mental health system is going to prevent these tradgedies. Every country is suffering from poor mental health care but the mentally ill guy living in a box and eating garbage in my country(canada) is not going to get hold of a gun and its like that pretty well everywhere but america. I could not aquire a black market gun if i tried and i know lots of criminals. To suggest a total nutbar can walk up to his neighbourhood black market gun dealer in Canada or the UK and buy a gun is ludacris. Illegal guns exist in those places but only among gangsters they wouldnt even sell you a gun to kill your wife because thats too much heat. No one cares about gang shootings but school shootings would put an illegal gun dealer out of business and in jail, and they know that.
Its pretty much impossible to prevent insane people from walking the streets because they have rights too, but its not that hard to stop them from getting guns.

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: my3rdeye]
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I have seen many sayings over the past few days that fit this thread quite well.

"Gun laws would prevent shooting sprees? Please tell me more about how criminals follow laws."

"So making guns illegal will take them off the street? We should make heroin and meth illegal too!"

And this one so far is the best:

"If a madman wants to kill innocent people, he will find a way. Killers don't need guns to kill people.
Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.
9-11 Terrorists used box-cutters and planes.
The Nazis used cynanide gas.

Taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people. The problem is not guns, it is a Godless society."


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck] * 2
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My controversial thought:  I am sorry for the people touched by this tragedy.  Now, my TV is going off for the next month so I don't have to look at Political Boobs with crocodile tears making poly points off the tragedy, or listen to the cornball music accompanied by sickeningly sweet, shallowly emotional and sentimental stories about how little Sally wanted to be an iced skater or little Joey wanted to be the president.  seriously, this kind of shit just drags out the misery for all involved.  Lets get on with life people.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck] * 1
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
I have seen many sayings over the past few days that fit this thread quite well.

"Gun laws would prevent shooting sprees? Please tell me more about how criminals follow laws."

"So making guns illegal will take them off the street? We should make heroin and meth illegal too!"

And this one so far is the best:

"If a madman wants to kill innocent people, he will find a way. Killers don't need guns to kill people.
Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.
9-11 Terrorists used box-cutters and planes.
The Nazis used cynanide gas.

Taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people. The problem is not guns, it is a Godless society."




a godless society?

what the fuck does god have to do with anything

i fucking hate people like you that always goota bring religion into an topic

please shut the fuck up


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: starfire_xes]
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:whathesaid:

All my coworkers were going on and on about the tragedy, using the exact same wording as the news did.  Do these people have a single original thought in their head?

"The president wiped tears from his eyes and took pauses to compose himself."

How about you at least word the sentence by yourself.

When I brought up the fact that his tears looked faked, I got a lot of animosity.  "You don't know because you're not a parent."  That may be true, but I do know how to spot really poor acting.


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BothHands said:
:whathesaid:

All my coworkers were going on and on about the tragedy, using the exact same wording as the news did.  Do these people have a single original thought in their head?

"The president wiped tears from his eyes and took pauses to compose himself."

How about you at least word the sentence by yourself.

When I brought up the fact that his tears looked faked, I got a lot of animosity.  "You don't know because you're not a parent."  That may be true, but I do know how to spot really poor acting.




if someone said that to me id be like shut the fuck up

your kid is at school right now doing math problems, so whether ur a parent or not has absolutely nothing to do with it, those parents have NO FUCKING IDEA whats its like the be one of the parents of the kids that actually got murdered

like when its a high school its one thing but when its an elemntary school its suddenly much worse? either way someone was killed in cold blood in a public school

people feel so entitled once they finally have children

i cant stand people that act like their kids are the prince of the universe and always gotta bring up their kid in conversation no matter what the topic is, like dude i dont give a shit about ur kid, shut the fuck up


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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I definitely wanted to tell them that they were unoriginal naive twats, but I have to spent 60 hours a week with them, so I decided to keep it to myself. :lol:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BothHands]
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Can anyone explain to me how gun control would prevent these types of crimes?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said:
Can anyone explain to me how gun control would prevent these types of crimes?



u shud probly use your eyes and read this thread if u want a serious answer lol


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said:
I definitely wanted to tell them that they were unoriginal naive twats, but I have to spent 60 hours a week with them, so I decided to keep it to myself. :lol:



ehh if someone wants to say something bitchy like that to me at work ill fucking give it right back to them, but thats just me

as long as its sumthing that wont get me written up


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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Bassfreak said:
BooBooKittyFuck said:
I have seen many sayings over the past few days that fit this thread quite well.

"Gun laws would prevent shooting sprees? Please tell me more about how criminals follow laws."

"So making guns illegal will take them off the street? We should make heroin and meth illegal too!"

And this one so far is the best:

"If a madman wants to kill innocent people, he will find a way. Killers don't need guns to kill people.
Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.
9-11 Terrorists used box-cutters and planes.
The Nazis used cynanide gas.

Taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people. The problem is not guns, it is a Godless society."




a godless society?

what the fuck does god have to do with anything

i fucking hate people like you that always goota bring religion into an topic

please shut the fuck up



You have no idea who I am or WHAT the fuck I believe or do not believe in. That was a quote that had to do with the fact that people who want to kill will kill no matter what, guns or not. You however are another sheeple who thinks everything they say is right and everyone else is wrong, and if they don't think so, you resort to name calling to try and get your point across. You did it several times already. No one else had to name call but you. Funny though, you claimed children and teachers would not be hiding in corners and such but yet they would be running out the doors/windows and shit. UMM no, hiding in corners and under desks and such is exactly what these children and teachers DID do. It is the typical process when something like this happens and a school goes on lock down. How old ARE you?? Btw, I'm not Christian, try again.
Oh and don't parade yourself to people like you have givin serious answers on this thread, because all you have done is givin the typical sheeple response when crimes like this happen.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak] * 1
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I read every post, and that's not even close to an answer to my question.  Neither is any other post in this thread.  Just cause a couple people who share your beliefs kissed your ass doesn't mean you're correct.


So again, tell me how gun control would prevent this kind of crime?  How would gun control get rid of the millions and millions of guns in this country?  How would it keep guns out of the hands of criminals?  How would it keep a murderer from murdering people?


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twighead said:
Omg soooooooooooo controversial!! :datass: omg




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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck] * 1
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
Bassfreak said:
BooBooKittyFuck said:
I have seen many sayings over the past few days that fit this thread quite well.

"Gun laws would prevent shooting sprees? Please tell me more about how criminals follow laws."

"So making guns illegal will take them off the street? We should make heroin and meth illegal too!"

And this one so far is the best:

"If a madman wants to kill innocent people, he will find a way. Killers don't need guns to kill people.
Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.
9-11 Terrorists used box-cutters and planes.
The Nazis used cynanide gas.

Taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people. The problem is not guns, it is a Godless society."




a godless society?

what the fuck does god have to do with anything

i fucking hate people like you that always goota bring religion into an topic

please shut the fuck up



You have no idea who I am or WHAT the fuck I believe or do not believe in. That was a quote that had to do with the fact that people who want to kill will kill no matter what, guns or not. You however are another sheeple who thinks everything they say is right and everyone else is wrong, and if they don't think so, you resort to name calling to try and get your point across. You did it several times already. No one else had to name call but you. Funny though, you claimed children and teachers would not be hiding in corners and such but yet they would be running out the doors/windows and shit. UMM no, hiding in corners and under desks and such is exactly what these children and teachers DID do. It is the typical process when something like this happens and a school goes on lock down. How old ARE you?? Btw, I'm not Christian, try again.
Oh and don't parade yourself to people like you have givin serious answers on this thread, because all you have done is givin the typical sheeple response when crimes like this happen.




blah blah blah

keep crying


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Still waiting on those answers.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: gzuf]
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So Bassfreak this is what you resort to when not everyone agrees with you or prooves points of their own about what they believe??

"if u do not agree then you simply are retarded"



"are u serious?

ur fucking stupid

case closed"



"you are so incredibly fucking dense"

"guns are more dnagerous than swords, if u disagree then ur fucking retarded"


And who is the one crying? Mister wah wah "you brought religion into this" , wah wah "I hate people like you" LMFAO , I have yet to understand "dnagerous" and "goota"


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said:
Still waiting on those answers.



Your gonna wait for a long time unfortunately, He can't give you any answers to back up what he says because these types of crimes will continue to happen. Regardless of "taking the guns away" or "making them illegal" it is still gonna happen, they will just have to find a different weapon.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck]
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
amilibertine said:
Still waiting on those answers.



Your gonna wait for a long time unfortunately, He can't give you any answers to back up what he says because these types of crimes will continue to happen. Regardless of "taking the guns away" or "making them illegal" it is still gonna happen, they will just have to find a different weapon.


Actually, they'll probably just use a gun since they'll be able to buy them from the time the learn to speak since they will be illegal and available to anyone who wants one.

I just made the post asking for answers to prove a point, that there are none.  All this guy does is argue with misinformation, call people names, and declare himself the winner.  He sounds a lot like a real life Eric Cartman.

Just go look at what he turned my thread about The Hobbit movie into.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck]
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
So Bassfreak this is what you resort to when not everyone agrees with you or prooves points of their own about what they believe??

"if u do not agree then you simply are retarded"



"are u serious?

ur fucking stupid

case closed"



"you are so incredibly fucking dense"

"guns are more dnagerous than swords, if u disagree then ur fucking retarded"


And who is the one crying? Mister wah wah "you brought religion into this" , wah wah "I hate people like you" LMFAO , I have yet to understand "dnagerous" and "goota"



lol dude

u stalking me?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak]
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Nope, those are all from this thread. I commented on the first page if you didn't noticed, so of course I read the whole thing and seen nothing but "dumb/stupid/ignorant/dense". You literally have to be at the very most 14. If you are older than you should be ashamed. The way you speak and the way you speak to others is disgusting.
And I'm not "dude" :rolleyes:

And  - amilibertine , yes I know. I seen that. It is obvious that this person is no "winner" I mean just have a look at his ratings, yes I got some bad ones in the mix too due to my very first post here but he continues to get zero ratings for this exact same thing. He has a serious complex. And it looks like he has nothing to say when he gets called out with things that makes sense and his idea no longer looks like "it's right" :wink:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: Bassfreak] * 1
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I say we need not only gun control, but kitchen knife control, baseball bat control, truncheon control, iron bar control, big piece of rock control, num-chuk control, bo staff control, straight razor control..... :smirk:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck]
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
Nope, those are all from this thread. I commented on the first page if you didn't noticed, so of course I read the whole thing and seen nothing but "dumb/stupid/ignorant/dense". You literally have to be at the very most 14. If you are older than you should be ashamed. The way you speak and the way you speak to others is disgusting.
And I'm not "dude" :rolleyes:






LOL

whatever helps you sleep at night then!

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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
I say we need not only gun control, but kitchen knife control, baseball bat control, truncheon control, iron bar control, big piece of rock control, num-chuk control, bo staff control, straight razor control..... :smirk:



LOL, right. And not like they don't control alot of things but people still get them. Hell when they started "controling" sudafed and such did they really think it would work? My mother in law used to make meth and she would just have a bunch of people go to diff stores and buy/steal whatever they could. Same with the matches and the denatured alcohol. So them "controling things" don't mean jack. NTM if a person really wanted a gun, it's called the internet, make one. :tongue2:


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: BooBooKittyFuck]
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BooBooKittyFuck said:
starfire_xes said:
I say we need not only gun control, but kitchen knife control, baseball bat control, truncheon control, iron bar control, big piece of rock control, num-chuk control, bo staff control, straight razor control..... :smirk:



LOL, right. And not like they don't control alot of things but people still get them. Hell when they started "controling" sudafed and such did they really think it would work? My mother in law used to make meth and she would just have a bunch of people go to diff stores and buy/steal whatever they could. Same with the matches and the denatured alcohol. So them "controling things" don't mean jack. NTM if a person really wanted a gun, it's called the internet, make one. :tongue2:


Sarcasm.  Yep.  You're arguing with someone who agrees with you.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Holy shit I agree with bassfreak? :mindblown:


JesusIsLord said:
completely agree with you OP.


worst part is - HERE COMES THE DAMN GUN CONTROL DUMBASSES THAT THINK MAKING FIREARMS ILLEGAL WILL SOLVE JACK FUCKING SHIT


*sigh* I don't know why this is so hard to understand:

Gun control =/=  making firearms illegal.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of that is so fucking hard to understand. :dumbass:


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I wish some of these gun control people could answer my simple questions.

How would it work?

How would it prevent people from getting their hands on guns?

How would it stop murderers from murdering people?

How would it get rid of the millions and millions of guns already in the country?

How would it stop anyone from doing anything?


Please, I'm desperate to understand how you people think this will/would work?


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: amilibertine] * 1
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amilibertine said:
I wish some of these gun control people could answer my simple questions.

How would it work?

How would it prevent people from getting their hands on guns?

How would it stop murderers from murdering people?

How would it get rid of the millions and millions of guns already in the country?

How would it stop anyone from doing anything?


Please, I'm desperate to understand how you people think this will/would work?


that's the problem. they don't think, they live in some fucking fantasy utopia where "perception is reality" and think because they took 2 years of sociology classes at the local U they are qualified to tell everyone how the world works and how they should live their lives.

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JesusIsLord said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of that is so fucking hard to understand. :dumbass:


A well regulated militia. REGULATION. Gun control is regulation. A well regulated militia doesn't mean every paranoid fucker owning his own assault rifle. :lol: It looks like you are lacking in understanding.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said:
I wish some of these gun control people could answer my simple questions.

How would it work?

How would it prevent people from getting their hands on guns?

How would it stop murderers from murdering people?

How would it get rid of the millions and millions of guns already in the country?

How would it stop anyone from doing anything?


Please, I'm desperate to understand how you people think this will/would work?


How would it work? Identity confirming technology on guns to ensure only the registered owner can fire them. That would prevent people from getting unregistered firearms in the future. Tracking devices placed in guns so that any stolen/ black market guns are easily locatable. It wouldn't stop all murders of course, no one claims that. We don't need to get rid of the millions of guns in the country but we could require regular check ups for gun owners to ensure that they are still mentally stable, still keep track of their own firearms and all old firearms could have these newer technologies installed in them.

Gun control makes sense and is already in place. Requiring registration is gun control.


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Re: My controversial thoughts on the Elementary shooting today... [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
JesusIsLord said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of that is so fucking hard to understand. :dumbass:


A well regulated militia. REGULATION. Gun control is regulation. A well regulated militia doesn't mean every paranoid fucker owning his own assault rifle. :lol: It looks like you are lacking in understanding.


A regulated militia as in an ORGANIZED militia. I'm done with this, a child could understand this but you are too absorbed in the libtard drum circle idiocy to understand how freedom works. You even take for granted that people who are armed are what keep you from being harmed or possibly killed like police, retired vets, military, and citizens exercising their rights and responsibilities to defend their own lives.


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JesusIsLord said:
A regulated militia as in an ORGANIZED militia. I'm done with this, a child could understand this but you are too absorbed in the libtard drum circle idiocy to understand how freedom works. You even take for granted that people who are armed are what keep you from being harmed or possibly killed like police, retired vets, military, and citizens exercising their rights and responsibilities to defend their own lives.


You're putting words in my mouth so that you can justify calling me a libtard. You're too absorbed in your own perspectives to consider anything else. They didn't mean organized, they chose all their language very carefully and the word regulated was intentional. I'm not taking anything for granted and I don't want any freedoms taken away, you incompetent ass. I've said this whole thread that all I want is safety measures to protect innocent people and keep guns in the hands of their rightful owners rather than in the hands of bloodthirsty psychopaths. Why is that so controversial? :lol:


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amilibertine said:
BooBooKittyFuck said:
starfire_xes said:
I say we need not only gun control, but kitchen knife control, baseball bat control, truncheon control, iron bar control, big piece of rock control, num-chuk control, bo staff control, straight razor control..... :smirk:



LOL, right. And not like they don't control alot of things but people still get them. Hell when they started "controling" sudafed and such did they really think it would work? My mother in law used to make meth and she would just have a bunch of people go to diff stores and buy/steal whatever they could. Same with the matches and the denatured alcohol. So them "controling things" don't mean jack. NTM if a person really wanted a gun, it's called the internet, make one. :tongue2:


Sarcasm.  Yep.  You're arguing with someone who agrees with you.



Noooo I wasn't arguing! I was agreeing lol :laugh: Sorry if it came off the wrong way :/


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JoieDeVivre said:
amilibertine said:
I wish some of these gun control people could answer my simple questions.

How would it work?

How would it prevent people from getting their hands on guns?

How would it stop murderers from murdering people?

How would it get rid of the millions and millions of guns already in the country?

How would it stop anyone from doing anything?


Please, I'm desperate to understand how you people think this will/would work?


How would it work? Identity confirming technology on guns to ensure only the registered owner can fire them. That would prevent people from getting unregistered firearms in the future. Tracking devices placed in guns so that any stolen/ black market guns are easily locatable. It wouldn't stop all murders of course, no one claims that. We don't need to get rid of the millions of guns in the country but we could require regular check ups for gun owners to ensure that they are still mentally stable, still keep track of their own firearms and all old firearms could have these newer technologies installed in them.

Gun control makes sense and is already in place. Requiring registration is gun control.


Yeah, that will work.  I'm sure of it.  We'll just put a GPS on every gun in existence.  Come on.  What planet are you living on?  Where would this money come from?  What would stop the importation of non-GPS guns that will be sold on the enormous black market these laws would create.

You know, your heart is in the right place.  No one wants innocent people to be killed except the people who kill innocent people.  Unless you can eliminate them you can't make any progress.  We've been killing each other since we learned we could.

Also, this isn't James Bond.  If there is such a technology that would only allow the registered owner to fire his/her gun it's top secret and incredibly expensive.  Who is gonna pay for all this GPS tech?  Will they have to pay a service charge for each gun connected to a satellite? Who is gonna pay to inspect people to see if they're mentally stable?  What is mentally stable?  I bet Ted Bundy could have passed the test.

These are fantasy ideas.  They wouldn't work anyway.  GPS on black market guns?  Since when is the information needed to create a gun secret?  Why would a criminal looking for a profit follow the law and place such a device on his product? 

I could go on but I won't.  The questions I posted have no real answer, and that's the point.  There is no way to prevent murder, whether by gun or any other means.


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JoieDeVivre said:
JesusIsLord said:
A regulated militia as in an ORGANIZED militia. I'm done with this, a child could understand this but you are too absorbed in the libtard drum circle idiocy to understand how freedom works. You even take for granted that people who are armed are what keep you from being harmed or possibly killed like police, retired vets, military, and citizens exercising their rights and responsibilities to defend their own lives.


You're putting words in my mouth so that you can justify calling me a libtard. You're too absorbed in your own perspectives to consider anything else. They didn't mean organized, they chose all their language very carefully and the word regulated was intentional. I'm not taking anything for granted and I don't want any freedoms taken away, you incompetent ass. I've said this whole thread that all I want is safety measures to protect innocent people and keep guns in the hands of their rightful owners rather than in the hands of bloodthirsty psychopaths. Why is that so controversial? :lol:


It's not controversial, it's a child-like fantasy.  I'm not insulting you.  You have a right to your opinions.  I'm sorry but having some gun gestapo invading innocent peoples homes to check their mental health is so far from freedom it's called totalitarianism.


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2012 still thinking you and your drinking buddies "militia" has a chance against the Federal Army

LEL

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amilibertine said:
It's not controversial, it's a child-like fantasy.  I'm not insulting you.  You have a right to your opinions.  I'm sorry but having some gun gestapo invading innocent peoples homes to check their mental health is so far from freedom it's called totalitarianism.


Is it totalitarianism that you need a physical to get your drivers license? :rolleyes:

Honestly none of the technologies I proposed are that expensive. GPS tracking devices are incredibly cheap these days and there are already guns out there with identity recognition technology. Hell, my laptop has fingerprint recognition and you think putting that on guns is out of the question? Do you even realize the incredible profits that gun companies and their lobbyists make? You think they can't reduce that by a tiny chunk to help keep guns in the hands of their rightful owners?

It's not a child-like fantasy. That's incredibly condescending. I'm talking about technologies that are readily available in cell phones and laptops and that are becoming cheaper by the day. There's no reason these can't be implemented in all guns that are produced from now on. Even that small change would reduce the ease with which psychopaths could access guns.


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the thing about a bloodthirsty psychopath that determined to kill is, well their determined to kill. doesn't matter what kind of weapon they have.

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KT-BC said:
the thing about a bloodthirsty psychopath that determined to kill is, well their determined to kill. doesn't matter what kind of weapon they have.


Yes, it does matter. With an automatic rifle they can kill an incredible number of people within seconds. When they only have a knife, the number is incredibly increased and law enforcement can take them out immediately instead of waiting around outside for some sort of opportunity while a shooter is killing more and more people. The difference is the number of innocents killed.

elax420 said:
2012 still thinking you and your drinking buddies "militia" has a chance against the Federal Army

LEL


:lol: For real. The argument that the right to bear arms is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government in this day in age is hilarious. The government has drones, tanks, explosives, nuclear weaponry and some people think that having even an assault rifle is going to protect them against that? :rolleyes:


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For real. The argument that the right to bear arms is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government in this day in age is hilarious. The government has drones, tanks, explosives, nuclear weaponry and some people think that having even an assault rifle is going to protect them against that?



better to die protecting what you love then lie down and let them slaughter you like a moo moo cow

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I find it funny that so often people in other countries actually are more accurate and spot on than some of the people in our own country!


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KT-BC said:
better to die protecting what you love then lie down and let them slaughter you like a moo moo cow


You're dead either way. :lol: If you're not threatening them with your guns you might not be killed at all rather than dying an extremist fool.


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KT-BC said:
Quote:
For real. The argument that the right to bear arms is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government in this day in age is hilarious. The government has drones, tanks, explosives, nuclear weaponry and some people think that having even an assault rifle is going to protect them against that?



better to die protecting what you love then lie down and let them slaughter you like a moo moo cow



I agree with that but you wont even be able to fight in todays age.

They will just blow your ass up with a spy plane.

Open opposition would be an exercise in futility.

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JoieDeVivre said:
JesusIsLord said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of that is so fucking hard to understand. :dumbass:


A well regulated militia. REGULATION. Gun control is regulation. A well regulated militia doesn't mean every paranoid fucker owning his own assault rifle. :lol: It looks like you are lacking in understanding.



An 'Assault Rifle' !! Tell me, would you agree that fully automatic rifles should be banned, and semi-automatic rifles would be allowed, all other things being equal?  Say, with a clip or magazine limited to 20 rounds, etc?:wink::smirk:


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So far, I agree that it would be beneficial to place some sort of restriction on guns, whether it be a psychology test, or whatnot.

But believing that any of these things would work, is just childish.
Nothing you can implement, would ever stop someone who wants a gun, from getting a gun.
This is the same thing as saying that if you restricted crack cocaine, nobody could get crack cocaine.


If someone has the will to kill many, they don't even need a gun. Bombs can be made with supplies from hardware stores.
Pipe bombs are made with 3 pieces of threaded metal pipe, a cylinder (threaded on both ended) and 2 screw on caps.
Drill one hole, fill with gun powder or other explosive, jam a firecracker wick into the hole. Finished.
Just the shrapnel alone will kill many, the blast it's self will kill a few as well.

Nothing we restrict or try to control will stop a psycho from being a psycho.


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I dont think either should be banned.

You should just have to go through stricter evaluations to get an assault rifle.

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elax420 said:
I dont think either should be banned.

You should just have to go through stricter evaluations to get an assault rifle.



I want Joie to answer this one. I want to see if she is informed.


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I agree with you 100%. I have felt this way every shooting since I've been old enough to know about the outside world.

North Korea - Children of the Secret State

These children are/were just as innocent as the children murdered in Sandy Hook. People don't seem to care so much though. They're always in awe, totally shocked by seeing the things humans are capable of when they see these shootings. These shootings are minor, though. I don't mean to minimize the suffering of everyone involved. That is real. However, if someone were to look at the things that hundreds of thousands of North Koreans have been and are being subjected to, they wouldn't be in shock after these shootings. These reactions are especially sad in that they are a reminder that nobody cares. Nobody is paying attention to the suffering occurring every day. This is what causes me to become disheartened more than the acts themselves.


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Tmethyl said:
So far, I agree that it would be beneficial to place some sort of restriction on guns, whether it be a psychology test, or whatnot.

But believing that any of these things would work, is just childish.
Nothing you can implement, would ever stop someone who wants a gun, from getting a gun.
This is the same thing as saying that if you restricted crack cocaine, nobody could get crack cocaine.


If someone has the will to kill many, they don't even need a gun. Bombs can be made with supplies from hardware stores.
Pipe bombs are made with 3 pieces of threaded metal pipe, a cylinder (threaded on both ended) and 2 screw on caps.
Drill one hole, fill with gun powder or other explosive, jam a firecracker wick into the hole. Finished.
Just the shrapnel alone will kill many, the blast it's self will kill a few as well.

Nothing we restrict or try to control will stop a psycho from being a psycho.


you said it better and less verbosely then I ever could have


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starfire_xes said:
elax420 said:
I dont think either should be banned.

You should just have to go through stricter evaluations to get an assault rifle.



I want Joie to answer this one. I want to see if she is informed.



oh lol sorry thought that was jsut a general question.

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starfire_xes said:
An 'Assault Rifle' !! Tell me, would you agree that fully automatic rifles should be banned, and semi-automatic rifles would be allowed, all other things being equal?  Say, with a clip or magazine limited to 20 rounds, etc?:wink::smirk:


No, I've never once claimed anything about banning any guns. :lol:


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KT-BC said:
Quote:
For real. The argument that the right to bear arms is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government in this day in age is hilarious. The government has drones, tanks, explosives, nuclear weaponry and some people think that having even an assault rifle is going to protect them against that?



better to die protecting what you love then lie down and let them slaughter you like a moo moo cow


even the most advanced government with all its gizmos and doodads could NOT survive 360 degree asymmetrical warfare against the largest standing army in the world (armed US citizens).

It is far from hilarious. 300 million guns in the hands of 150 million trained shooters is an extremely formidable adversary.


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Tmethyl said:
So far, I agree that it would be beneficial to place some sort of restriction on guns, whether it be a psychology test, or whatnot.

But believing that any of these things would work, is just childish.
Nothing you can implement, would ever stop someone who wants a gun, from getting a gun.
This is the same thing as saying that if you restricted crack cocaine, nobody could get crack cocaine.


If someone has the will to kill many, they don't even need a gun. Bombs can be made with supplies from hardware stores.
Pipe bombs are made with 3 pieces of threaded metal pipe, a cylinder (threaded on both ended) and 2 screw on caps.
Drill one hole, fill with gun powder or other explosive, jam a firecracker wick into the hole. Finished.
Just the shrapnel alone will kill many, the blast it's self will kill a few as well.

Nothing we restrict or try to control will stop a psycho from being a psycho.


:cookiemonster: yup

I could make a ballistic knife at work, with basic machine tools, no problem. It would be totally silent, and lethal. I could make thermite and cause havoc at will with some very simple tools. :shrug:


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