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liquidlounge
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: quinn]
#17393422 - 12/14/12 06:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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quinn said: no. nor with anything else
Statistics show us that we expand and live longer, advancement. Religion has done its part, science is about to take over. You do the thinking...
Your arrogant "sorry" says enough...
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17393634 - 12/14/12 07:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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i just dont buy into that universal awakening crap
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liquidlounge
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: quinn]
#17395617 - 12/15/12 06:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have no valid reason not to if you use your brain and think, based on our chat here i could see difficulties in that.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17395782 - 12/15/12 07:58 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are some valid points supporting religion in this thread.
(Most) religions support peace, and giving to those in need.
Now here's something surprising:
The Catholic Church believes in evolution, and the big bang. You see, even the less adaptive religions adapt eventually. Just like people, many religions will continue to adapt. And sometimes they actually give peace to those who are religious, and give their life meaning.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: poke_poke]
#17395787 - 12/15/12 08:05 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peace was on earth long before religions chimed in, however, religions carried on words such as peace - which of course is good, but the cons of religions heavily outweighs the pros.
Who cares about evolution and the big bang, its irrelevant.
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liquidlounge
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17395793 - 12/15/12 08:07 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evolution and the big bang is a belief in itself, there is most likely no knowledge in it, which means no universal meaning. It is however, more likely than some God creating this - advancement.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17395797 - 12/15/12 08:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said:
Who cares about evolution and the big bang, its irrelevant.
My point was that religions evolve.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17395798 - 12/15/12 08:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Peace was on earth long before religions chimed in, however, religions carried on words such as peace - which of course is good, but the cons of religions heavily outweighs the pros.
Can you further explain?
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liquidlounge
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: poke_poke]
#17395818 - 12/15/12 08:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who cares about evolution and the big bang, its irrelevant.
My point was that religions evolve.
They get replaced with science, hence statistics show us that agnosticism is slowly but steadily taking over belief in religions. In first world countries, second and third world countries will of course follow eventually.
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liquidlounge said: Peace was on earth long before religions chimed in, however, religions carried on words such as peace - which of course is good, but the cons of religions heavily outweighs the pros.
Can you further explain?
What needs explanation? How the bad sides of religions outweighs the good sides? Try looking around you and make a wild guess.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#17396088 - 12/15/12 10:07 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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>> even though it won't do a bit of fucking good whatsoever. Amen.
If everyone on earth said a quiet, internal prayer for the victims of the shooting and their families, it would do an ocean of good, because it would increase the compassion in the hearts of 7 billion people just a little bit more. Since it is a lack of compassion which makes such tragedies possible, it does not matter whether or not those prayers are heard by some supreme being, or if they have some mystical power to sooth the lives of those affected: it is still better than behaving like an asshole by making snotty remarks.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: Ped] 1
#17396168 - 12/15/12 10:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Praying (talking to non-existing beings) is not the same thing as having compassion.
One is a mindless, idiotic endeavor that increases ignorance and childish behavior. Children have invisible friends. Adults who still have invisible friends have something wrong with them.
Look around you man, belief in non-existing things are why we live in such a fucked up world. Prayer is how batshit crazy muslims convince themselves that god wants them to blow up in a crowd of shoppers and cut the heads off little girls trying to go to school. Prayer CAUSES that.
Prayer doesn't lead to compassion. That's a different thing and the way to increase it is to teach secular humanistic values like being kind to others because you want to, not because you're afraid of what your invisible friend will do to you when you die. If you refrain from murder only because you're scared god will send you to hell, then how is that a good thing? It would be better to not believe in made-up gods and refrain from murder because you personally think it's the wrong thing to do even though there is no hell to punish you if you do murder.
Religion and faith are the most horrific qualities humans possess and have been used to justify all manner of savagery throughout history. This is because when you have faith in make-believe, you can justify anything by making up a few more things as justification. From molesting little catholic boys in church as priests do, to chopping off part of a baby boy's dick without anesthetics like jews do, to going to war and killing hundreds of thousands of people as George Bush did after his invisible friend told him to.
This ugly world of ours will never change so long as people are willing to make shit up and believe them on faith even though there is no reason at all to believe them.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: Diploid]
#17396218 - 12/15/12 10:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17396224 - 12/15/12 10:51 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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The parts of Australia, New Zealand and Canada with the highest standard of living there are most agnostics.
Its all just a coincidence.
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liquidlounge
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17396331 - 12/15/12 11:21 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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In Qatar and Kuwait (+ UAE aswell one would assume), two of the richest countries in the world, the % of religious are around 95% and 99%, why is the standard of living there so shitty when they are so rich? Nothing to do with religions...
Oh, I come from the best part of the best country in the world when it comes to standard of living, there are around 60%(!) agnostic in the area.
Religions are not a good thing, they are bad and stops the advancement of humanity.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#17396370 - 12/15/12 11:34 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shamanic healing to the rescue?
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: Ped]
#17396828 - 12/15/12 01:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ped said: >> even though it won't do a bit of fucking good whatsoever. Amen.
If everyone on earth said a quiet, internal prayer for the victims of the shooting and their families, it would do an ocean of good, because it would increase the compassion in the hearts of 7 billion people just a little bit more.
How so? Seems completely backwards, compassionate thoughts produce compassionate actions, such as compassionate prayer. Of course prayer is ineffective so it is just a compassion sink that allows people to avoid sending money or actually helping and still feeling like they've helped.
This is how god and religion is often used: as a way to justify your base desires without feeling bad about them. Shoot a bunch of people and then appologize to god and your forgive, doesn't matter what the suffering people think, you are now absolved. With good intentioned people its worse: they waste their compassion on bullshit.
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Since it is a lack of compassion which makes such tragedies possible, it does not matter whether or not those prayers are heard by some supreme being, or if they have some mystical power to sooth the lives of those affected: it is still better than behaving like an asshole by making snotty remarks.
It doesn't matter? How so? God says in the bible that if two believers pray for something it will happen: I can see a big different between the prayer of no more shootings being answered versus it not. Seems like that does matter.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: Ped] 1
#17396953 - 12/15/12 01:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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it is still better than behaving like an asshole by making snotty remarks.
Like the one you just made? Your hypocrisy is endless, Oh Enlightened One.
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: liquidlounge]
#17396967 - 12/15/12 01:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#17396969 - 12/15/12 01:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Might as well spread out love and light and "prayer" than spend time going over why someone would be so destructive in our heads. Too much negativity isn't healthy. So--- prayer > It may not help, but it may make for a whole lot less stress than before
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Re: Please join me in prayer for the shooting victims [Re: Hungry Raptor]
#17397024 - 12/15/12 02:08 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227334/Scandinavian-countries-list-worlds-prosperous-nations--U-S-drops-time.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism check out europe.
Correlation does not imply causation...
The most advanced places on earth in forms of standard of living there are less religions compared to second and third world countries, that is the point. Do you think its a coincidence?
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