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tymoteusz3 said: Enlil - a question you can answer. Suppose I developed the above code and released it into the open source world for anyone to use. Could I be held responsible as aiding in the transportation of drugs or similar since that is kind of what it would be intended for, to let those transporting drugs evade capture?
As long as you're not marketing it for that purpose, you should be fine....you could easily market it as a "tamper bot" that tells you if something has been opened...a closet...a drawer...a package, etc.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Enlil]
#17391776 - 12/14/12 01:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Naum, the uv thing sounds interesting and you could have the device in your hand when you go to the door but the delivery guy is going to be suspicious and may report it to a supervisor. Perhaps if you had a really good story like you were checking for germs, or... i dunno, but even then he may report it as an odd thing. Still better than being busted.
Enlil, your idea is worthy of consideration and as you say this tamper tape is used, i see a lot of places that sell it. The problem is this, if it looks just like normal tape until tampered with and they open it, they will see its tamper tape and have the option of replacing it with regular tape. From what i read the tape that looks like regular tape on the outside has to be lifted up to reveal the "opened" message underneath. Any logo you put on it might be replicated if they want to go to that amount of trouble. We are assuming this is a sizable shipment since for small amounts they don't bother.
Good point about the phone possibly not working when its opened. A large building with a lot of grounded metal in it might block the signal. Dumb cops might beat high tec by being lucky.
Apparently the tape is used often enough that it would not be enough to make them do the dog act but it would be a flag by itself. If your package has enough flags already like state of origin, a watched address, etc, then tamper tape might be enough to make them go further. The tape you have to lift might be a problem because the delivery person is not going to want to let you start opening the package which is what it would look like before signing for it.
The tamper tape has lines on it, the examples i saw and says "tamper evident tape" or words to that effect. If you could find some that had the lines but looked like normal tape, that could do the job, it would not attract attention and its not that expensive. Just take a few seconds to carefully look at the package before signing, if they don't line up you refuse it. Perhaps using the phone plus tape as a 2 pronged safety measure? The phone can be used over and over and if you send 20 packages before losing one, it averages out to not much money. The tape should cost less than a dollar a package.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
#17391796 - 12/14/12 01:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your custom tape could be something as innocent as a plaid pattern or some cartoon characters...whatever...it doesn't have to say "SECURITY"
As far as them getting tape to replace it, that's not feasible. You get the package the next day or you don't...there's no time to order replacement tape....this is particularly true if you have several different patterns and switch it up a lot.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Enlil]
#17392009 - 12/14/12 02:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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>Your custom tape could be something as innocent as a plaid pattern or some cartoon characters...whatever...it doesn't have to say "SECURITY"
Yeah, but if you could buy it otc you would get a lot of protection without having to custom order which is going to probably cost more than the phone. Granted, the custom order will be more secure.
>As far as them getting tape to replace it, that's not feasible. You get the package the next day or you don't...there's no time to order replacement tape....this is particularly true if you have several different patterns and switch it up a lot.
True, and cops are a lazy bunch. But if there are a lot of patterns on the market it would be almost as secure and cheaper. With custom orders they are used to dealing with big companies and you might have to buy 500 rolls plus a setup fee. And more records being kept of you. If you took an off the shelf tape and stamped it with your logo which might read "happy birthday" or something, that would make it unique and still be cheap and secure. A custom rubber stamp will be much cheaper than all that fancy special order business.
I can see it now, you got in a package a week for a year, then one week you get the dreaded signal from the phone and it shows cops going in and searching it. Then comes the package and you say "i wasn't expecting anything" you glance at it and see the tape has been tampered. You say "i don't want to end up having to pay for something i didn't order" and refuse. Or just don't come to the door or go down and pick it up.
The cops are furious and know they've been outwitted. They only go after low hanging fruit so they give up or try once again to deliver the same package. If discovered, you might want to switch up receiving addresses because they might just search every package after that.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
#17392228 - 12/14/12 03:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just did a quick look on ebay and they have something like 200 manufacturor refurbished phones for under $35 and a number of them were under $20. I looked at a few listings and they mentioned gps, camera and so on. Even if you need a fancier one for this to work, it should not cost too much. You could pick up a roll of tamper tape, get a custom rubber stamp and a phone for maybe $50 or so and be in business. You would have 2 way protection.
I don't get or send illegal stuff in the mail but i back the rights of others to do so. Drug laws are stupid.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
#17403491 - 12/16/12 07:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never thought of custom tape or a phone for saftey, both of these ideas could be refined to a point where catching packages could be alot safer.
Goning to havta research this furthur.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: goldenroad08]
#17435034 - 12/23/12 12:05 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17467121 - 12/29/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Careful... this could backfire on you!  A live transmitting device inside a package would be a huge HUGE red flag. It might even trigger a bomb scare! I'd be willing to bet that in some sorting facilities, packages are now scanned for live electronic signals to protect against terrorist threats (insert crazy fundy here that wants to detonate his IED at the "perfect" time).
In addition, a cheap frequency scanning device mounted in the sort line would easily and automatically flag it and kick it out as a suspicious package.
Furthermore, what other type of package would possibly be transmitting a signal, other than contraband? When was the last time that you received a legit package from Amazon, Ebay, or your aunt Sally, that had a powered-on device inside that was broadcasting!!?

Way to make your package stand out like a White Boy in a new cherry-red Mustang GT drivin' around North St. Louis at 2am on a Friday night!
That being said, It might work a few times, but as soon as the powers at be catch on, you might as well just roll your package in the shape of a joint.
Jesus effing Christ what would you idiots do without me?
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17467666 - 12/29/12 06:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Barely possible that they monitor every package for transmissions but unlikely. I thought the deal was that the call was triggered by light? That will save on battery usage since the dealy panzer mentioned has only a 20 hour life. His type thing could be hooked to a simple photocell and voila, a phone that turns on and transmits video only when it sees light. If you get no call then all is well. Possible that the call would be blocked by a steel building so use the tamper proof tape along with it.
If someone made one of these gizmos to be combined with any phone, he could sell them i'm sure. Here is a money making idea for anyone with ambition. You could even sell them on ebay. Not just for packages but to monitor a room, building, etc. Any light and it starts transmitting. Or if its your grow room, have a sound trigger. You get a call and see pigs breaking in and going through your stuff and scratch one grow room. Better than free room and board for 10 years.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
#17468924 - 12/29/12 10:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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His type thing could be hooked to a simple photocell and voila, a phone that turns on and transmits video only when it sees light.
Could it though? Can you post some examples of the type of photocells you're talking about?
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#17469020 - 12/29/12 11:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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ch1ck3n.s0up said: A live transmitting device inside a package would be a huge HUGE red flag.
Why?
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It might even trigger a bomb scare! I'd be willing to bet that in some sorting facilities, packages are now scanned for live electronic signals to protect against terrorist threats (insert crazy fundy here that wants to detonate his IED at the "perfect" time).
Why would a bomb transmit anything? A bomb would be a passive receiver.
Or an on cell phone actually.....Cell phones can easily be rigged to detonate when anyone calls them.
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In addition, a cheap frequency scanning device mounted in the sort line would easily and automatically flag it and kick it out as a suspicious package.
So their device would be looking for cell phones?
That is an easy thing to do. But it seems very un-government-like to do that.
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Furthermore, what other type of package would possibly be transmitting a signal, other than contraband? When was the last time that you received a legit package from Amazon, Ebay, or your aunt Sally, that had a powered-on device inside that was broadcasting!!?
Good point, but it's just a cell phone, not really a big deal in this day and age. Or is it?
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you might as well just roll your package in the shape of a joint.
I doubt that they will start checking packages that have turned on cell phones in them.
Possible though. Easy to check. Send ten turned on cell phones and see how many get opened.
Perhaps a resourceful DEA / postal inspector agent is watching this forum and is writing a confidential paper about this. Congratulations DEA agent for staying on top of things. Make sure to include in your paper that the cell phone will be off the whole time, in sleep mode, and will transmit nothing until it sees light. At this point, you would be basically fucked.
Maybe you could counter this by opening any package that seems to have any electronic activity at all - even a cell phone which is asleep. If this is the case, you will have to open hundreds of thousands of packages in order to find my friends cell phone tracker.
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I doubt that they will start checking packages that have turned on cell phones in them.
Possible though. Easy to check. Send ten turned on cell phones and see how many get opened.
Perhaps a resourceful DEA / postal inspector agent is watching this forum and is writing a confidential paper about this. Congratulations DEA agent for staying on top of things. Make sure to include in your paper that the cell phone will be off the whole time, in sleep mode, and will transmit nothing until it sees light. At this point, you would be basically fucked.
Maybe you could counter this by opening any package that seems to have any electronic activity at all - even a cell phone which is asleep. If this is the case, you will have to open hundreds of thousands of packages in order to find my friends cell phone tracker.
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I wasn't able to find something off the shelf but it could easily be put together. A photocell produces a voltage when light hits the sensor. You couple that to a semiconductor switch. The basic form of the switch will be a transistor that conducts when a certain voltage level is present on the base which is the middle section of a transistor. Normally voltage can't flow from the emittor to the collector unless the proper voltage is present at the base which functions as a gate allowing current to flow or not to flow. A transistor can be used to amplify a weaker signal or be used as a switch.
OK, so a transistor acts like a switch and allows current to flow when the proper signal or voltage is present. This voltage is supplied by the photocell. When the box is closed there is no light to trigger the switch but when its opened it turns on. What the transistor turns on or leaves off is the camera itself. All you need is a phone that allows external switching. The phone could have a camera and mic so you could see the inspectors opening it and hear them talking about the big shipment they stopped. Then someone notices the camera is operating and finally shuts it off. The place where the shipment was headed gets cleaned out and no one is there when they try to deliver.
The phone is off the whole time until turned on so no signal is sent out. No current is used to run down the battery so the thing could sit for days or weeks in transit like for an international shipment and still have power when and if its opened.
The one other detail is how to get the phone to call a certain number as soon as its turned on and to transmit video and sound. That last part isn't as important, the phone call itself shows the box was opened. Anyone have an idea about setting the phone up to call a certain number automatically?
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
#17470686 - 12/30/12 12:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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With a hacked linux based device it should be relatively easy to get the phone to send a text on wake.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Perhaps a resourceful DEA / postal inspector agent is watching this forum and is writing a confidential paper about this. Congratulations DEA agent for staying on top of things. Make sure to include in your paper that the cell phone will be off the whole time, in sleep mode, and will transmit nothing until it sees light. At this point, you would be basically fucked.
Maybe you could counter this by opening any package that seems to have any electronic activity at all - even a cell phone which is asleep. If this is the case, you will have to open hundreds of thousands of packages in order to find my friends cell phone tracker.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up] 1
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ch1ck3n.s0up said:
That being said, It might work a few times, but as soon as the powers at be catch on, you might as well just roll your package in the shape of a joint.
Jesus effing Christ what would you idiots do without me? 

Classic.
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"No sir."
"Alright, so was it leaking? Vibrating?"
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: CidneyIndole]
#17500663 - 01/05/13 06:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get a audrino card, program it with a photocell and disposable cell phone guts.
And simply make it send a pre-programed message to the phone's contact directory. Then get it to wipe the phones contact's and sent messages so they cant see who received the text's.
Might cost more then $40 to make but i guess if you really want to know if your package has been tampered with, it would be worth the investment.
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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: PanzerCubed]
#17500988 - 01/05/13 09:23 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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The audrino card seems to be a programable card with a computer chip and some memory. Have you worked with those before? It would be beyond me to do all those things. But something like that would be very nifty. The only weak point is if its opened in a building that blocks cell phones either intentionally or because of its design then the call would never be received.
One way around it would be to have a phone capable of receiving as well as sending. Either the same one or another one. You could call the package to see if everything was alright just before it was delivered. If it didn't answer or showed tampering then you would know. I can just see someone waiting on a lb of good smoke and the package doesn't answer the phone. What to do? Tamper evident tape would be a back up
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