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Cameras in mail packages...?
    #17386595 - 12/13/12 04:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A friend of a friend knows some people from another area of the country than us, and these people have prices that would make jaws drop around here, so this friend of a friend wants to accept a package, they are ready to send it when my friend of a friend is ready, on a front, even.  My friends friend wanted to think up a way to not get caught, as he heard if you do not accept the package then you can not be charged.

Well, he wants to put a camera, or a sound device of some sort that he can listen to/watch, as this package will be sent overnight, he can just chill and listen/watch to see if everything goes smoothly, before he goes and accepts a package.

Thoughts?  Could this backfire on him?

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: starcade]
    #17386667 - 12/13/12 04:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's a pretty good idea.  I guess a smart phone could be programmed to do that.  Something that starts recording and sends out text messages when it sees any light.  Maybe Motion would be good software to run on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_(surveillance_software)

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17386731 - 12/13/12 04:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Usually if its overnight they are too busy to open up ur package and check it. They have to make that deadline.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17386736 - 12/13/12 04:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not very tech-savvy at all, how would one go about getting this motion program on their smartphone?  Well, a dummy smartphone, just as the other phone recieving the text would be a dummy phone, naturally.

Yeah, I thought it was a pretty damn good idea myself, I told him I'd ask around and see if this has ever been done (and found..), I didn't look very thouroughly, but I didn't find anything about it on google after a quick scan.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17386737 - 12/13/12 04:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

To ANON:  Sometimes you have to take every precaution.  Especially when everyone involved is out on bail and felons.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: starcade]
    #17386747 - 12/13/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes you have to just know when to draw the line. Is your freedome worth whatever is making it in the mail? its something you have to ask yourself.

It has been for me 80% of the time. The other 20% i shouldn't have taken the risks but Hey.. Im still here ey?


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: starcade]
    #17386751 - 12/13/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yah im not saying it aint a good idea. I actually thought it was an awesome idea.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17386813 - 12/13/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The particular goods he is purchasing he is getting for 200 dollars each, and around here people would be more than happy to get the same good for 1200 dollars.  For him, and alot of other people, yes, it is worth the risk, but if he's going to do it, he wants to do it right.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: starcade]
    #17387171 - 12/13/12 05:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That is an awesome idea. Have it set so that if the box is opened it sends a call which would be recorded. Turn the tables on the cops and  video tape and record them.

Eventually they will have setups that will use a cheap burner phone that sends continuously and even if they put it in a metal box that prevented transmissions, you would know something was wrong. You could set it up so that it would give a warning some time later if queried. And if all goes well, use it over and over again.


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17387584 - 12/13/12 07:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Most likely the 5-0 wouldn't realize what was going on, if a smartphone was chillin' in there.  They may, depending on how the app looks while active on the phone.  I guess this phone would have to have no contact in any homes associated, not even charged..I don't trust the damn things.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: starcade] * 1
    #17390007 - 12/14/12 06:06 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)


This is making it far more complicated and failure-prone than it should be....

Just use custom tamper-evident tape with your own logo on it...that way, if the box is opened, you can see it at the door before you accept the package.  If you see that it has been tampered with, you simply say "I don't know the sender, and I'm not accepting the package"...easy enough.

You can get custom tamper tape from
http://www.tamper-evident-tape.com/ or other places.

Of course, I assume that whatever you're shipping is not in violation of any local, state, or federal law.


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17390741 - 12/14/12 09:55 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
That's a pretty good idea.  I guess a smart phone could be programmed to do that.  Something that starts recording and sends out text messages when it sees any light.  Maybe Motion would be good software to run on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_(surveillance_software)




Yeah that actually is a pretty cool idea. Two phones linked, one programmed, one a cheap shitty phone. Both on no plan so no info associated with them.
The one phone would be really easy to program, especially something like android. 
Sure if the box was confiscated you would lose the smartphone, but they aren't THAT expensive, and if you are transporting an amount of items you would be that worried about the cost would be worth it.


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Of course, I assume that whatever you're shipping is not in violation of any local, state, or federal law.



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Enlil - a question you can answer. Suppose I developed the above code and released it into the open source world for anyone to use. Could I be held responsible as aiding in the transportation of drugs or similar since that is kind of what it would be intended for, to let those transporting drugs evade capture?


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #17391167 - 12/14/12 11:16 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Custom tamper evident tape, now that is an idea worthy of looking into. However, wouldn't that in itself be a red flag for authorities? It seems like there would be ways around it, simply cut into the box under the label and replace with a newly printed label. Even if they couldn't do that i can imagine every postal worker on the line saying "take a look at this one!"

I doubt they could get a warrant on that alone but they could do the old dog trick just on suspicion. The handler gives the pooch the cue to bark or sit at the special box and thats all folks.

The advantage of the camera deal is that nothing on the outside looks out of place or unusual.

Tamper evident tape with your special logo would give them a place to start looking. I doubt there are 1000 places that make the stuff so they just go around and lean on them a little and find who made it and they might be able to track it from that end. I know you could use a false name, pay cash and so on and its doubtful the tape maker uses hidden cameras on his customers. But there might be a fingerprint on the order form or something. The advantage is that its cheap, i would assume, cheaper than even a burner phone but it attracts attention.

A used semi smart phone might be picked up for $50 or so. The phone might be able to use an ap where it sends the message when light is detected. If it gets through you send it back and reuse. If you are making $1000 profit per package, spending $100 one time to make sure you never get caught is a smart investment.

Once they open a few of these and catch on to the trick, they may then open them in the dark using infrared cameras to see whats inside. But as slow moving as the govt is, it may be years before they get to that point. Since they would not know which packages have the phone in them its unlikely they would use all that special procedure on every package


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17391199 - 12/14/12 11:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Custom tamper evident tape, now that is an idea worthy of looking into. However, wouldn't that in itself be a red flag for authorities?


I'd assume that if you got custom tape made, you wouldn't have it say "tamper evident" on it...
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The advantage of the camera deal is that nothing on the outside looks out of place or unusual.


The disadvantage is that signal is notoriously unreliable, and there's no guarantee that it's gonna work wherever they open it
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Tamper evident tape with your special logo would give them a place to start looking. I doubt there are 1000 places that make the stuff so they just go around and lean on them a little and find who made it and they might be able to track it from that end. I know you could use a false name, pay cash and so on and its doubtful the tape maker uses hidden cameras on his customers. But there might be a fingerprint on the order form or something. The advantage is that its cheap, i would assume, cheaper than even a burner phone but it attracts attention.


Doesn't matter.  A package gets seized, and you're out of business for awhile anyway....they know where it is being mailed to.  Tying a person to that particular tape isn't enough to convict, and it's far more work to follow something like that than it's worth.

Bottom line, if they find the drugs, you're going to be watched...


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Enlil]
    #17391206 - 12/14/12 11:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Bottom line, if they find the drugs, you're going to be watched...




What makes you say that?

I know people who have had packages siezed, and they continue to import things with no problems.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Memories]
    #17391234 - 12/14/12 11:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's just foolish.  There's never a guarantee that you'll get caught, but dodging one bullet just so that you can stand there while more are shot is the epitome of stupidity, IMO.


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17391401 - 12/14/12 12:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Custom tamper evident tape, now that is an idea worthy of looking into. However, wouldn't that in itself be a red flag for authorities? It seems like there would be ways around it, simply cut into the box under the label and replace with a newly printed label. Even if they couldn't do that i can imagine every postal worker on the line saying "take a look at this one!"




It's not that hard to do. UV Pen with an irregular crosshatch across the tape all the way around the box. If the lines are visibly mismatched or broken or just straight up missing when viewed under UV light then someone opened your box.


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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: naum]
    #17391431 - 12/14/12 12:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Custom tamper evident tape, now that is an idea worthy of looking into. However, wouldn't that in itself be a red flag for authorities? It seems like there would be ways around it, simply cut into the box under the label and replace with a newly printed label. Even if they couldn't do that i can imagine every postal worker on the line saying "take a look at this one!"




It's not that hard to do. UV Pen with an irregular crosshatch across the tape all the way around the box. If the lines are visibly mismatched or broken or just straight up missing when viewed under UV light then someone opened your box.




Yeah but when the DEA shows up to make a controlled delivery you aren't going to have time to pull out your UV light and check if the lines are mismatched. Whereas, with your own (custom) tape it would be pretty obvious in the split second you have to make a decision about whether or not you should accept the package.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: eyeohwa]
    #17391611 - 12/14/12 12:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well you could just use a UV pen light to quickly check, but if the DEA shows up to make a controlled delivery you are probably already screwed.

Your own custom tape brings its own security risks. One it is not invisible like UV pen would be (so you could just use sharpie), and if it is indeed unique it is then uniquely identifiable. As some other people have pointed out it is also probably a red flag if the package or either the sender or receiver is already under suspicion.

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Re: Cameras in mail packages...? [Re: naum]
    #17391627 - 12/14/12 12:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

People routinely ship packages with tamper evident tape.  I can't imagine that it would attract that much attention.  It doesn't really look all that different from normal tape unless you tamper with it.


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