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just stress? hypertension? totally fucked?
    #17353726 - 12/08/12 03:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

first off, i have not been to a doctor, i literally do not have the time, but even if i did i do not know that there would be much they could do for me besides give me tentative thoughts on what may be wrong or refer me to a specialist. i have a long history of back issues and i also have rheumatoid arthritis, my guess is they would chalk it up to that. the other issues i'm having initially seemed to be sinus related, but i'm starting to think it might be something else. the two may or may not be related, i honestly have no idea, i just know that they seem to coincide with one another and aggravate one another and that it all started around the same time with a small bit of overlap. fuck it, they probably aren't related at all.

i want to apologize in advance if my thought process is hard to follow, it's hard for me too as i feel i am always forgetting something. i'm not writing for a pulitzer here, so meh.


oh yeah, TL;DR.



when i wake up i feel relatively fine, but after a few hours i start feeling, i don't know, disconnected. it makes it really hard to concentrate on anything and i find i have a difficult time remembering things, which is unusual for me as i normally have a pretty kick ass memory. i also have the WORST neck/cervical/shoulder/back pain as well as radiating pain from my right hip down my leg, it is the worst pain i have ever had in my life, and i'm pretty used to muscle spasms and constant tightness/soreness due to factors that are entirely out of my control (it'll be fixed soon, but not for another 2 weeks). it's like every single muscle in my back and neck decided to solidify into tungsten carbide or something. almost of the knots that i can feel myself are golf ball or larger in size; like huge, dense concentrations of angry fuck you. if i rotate my shoulders, i can feel and hear the knots in my muscles moving and popping; it doesn't hurt, but it's definitely not right. being in school full time and taking more than full-time credits, it is almost needless to say i have a lot of books, and books (as we all know), are heavy. carrying around a ~30-35lb backpack most definitely doesn't help the issues with back pain that i have dealt with most of my life, and combined with the stresses of school (and finals) it is a given that i would be a little tense.

that being said, we'll get back to that weird disconnecty feeling i mentioned; it seems to be okay when i first wake up, getting progressively worse throughout the day. usually, by the middle of the day i will feel not only disconnected but (not dizzy, it's not like vertigo) i guess like my head is stuffed with wool or something. i would love to chalk it up to allergies or something, but i don't think it's that; i did have a head cold last week that was mild but this has been going on since several weeks prior.

anyway, i'm getting off-track, it is seriously difficult for me to brain lately, my cognition is totally fucked. so, i'm also being hit with what i assume are migraines around midday. now i'm disconnected and stuffed with wool, my head is all stabby feeling, and i can't hear shit, this is interspersed with periods of tinnitus, either in both ears or just one, and at this point in the day i'm starting to have trouble focusing my vision and i will feel very shaky/weak and will have trouble grasping things as well as coordination problems (hand-eye). i will eat something because it's very probable my blood sugar is low, but this only helps a tiny bit. bear in mind we're only like midday here, maybe early evening if i'm lucky to get that far.

by the time i finally get home it is impossible to relax, the disconnected feeling gets worse if i just sit around. if i try to concentrate on anything (homework, tv, what-have-you; usually homework). the disconnected feeling will intensify and so will the pain in my neck/back, to the point where i feel like maybe i should lay down but when/if i do i feel like i am sinking into the bed. to top i try to look at something or focus on one single thing, my vision starts to "shift," i can't explain it any other way. the only time i can get it to stop is if my eyes are physically moving like with reading or if i'm in motion and i don't try to focus on any one thing for too long; being in motion is best, but i can't be constantly moving.

it feels like i'm slowly shaking my head or like i'm on a boat, but my perception (field of vision) is more akin to watching a movie and the camera is on a boat that is looking out at seas and rocking horizontally from side to side and everything will seem tilted/skewed. it's not anything like nystagmus, which i've experienced before and it's not vertigo--nothing spins and i'm not nauseous or anything. it's really a very difficult sensation to explain. when this happens, i can hear the blood pumping through my brain, pounding in my ears, which will of course be ringing and exacerbating the migraine.

this is the thing that freaks me out the most, when my vision goes all wonky and all of these things combine and feel so much stronger than they do during any other time of day. the longer i'm awake, the worse it gets. by the end of the day (like now) i will have excruciating pain in my cervical spine, shoulder, and hip, almost always the right side, or at least predominately the right side. the shoulder pain switches sides, but most of that is from favoring one side or the other and the amount of weight they always have to hold, but when one thing tenses it all seizes up. this has been going on for maybe six months.

ibuprofen does next to nothing for the joint/muscle pain or the headaches. nor do antihistamines do anything for the clogged up feeling.

i literally feel like i'm going deaf and i'm worried that if there is such continued stress on my body (muscles and joints) that it might cause permanent damage.

maybe i'm just overthinking things and making connections where there are none and it's all just coincidence. google diagnosing yourself is never a good idea, not that i actually think it's something super shitty like MS or Meniere's.



i have indeed been stressed the fuck out the past several months, but i've been stressed the fuck out before and have NEVER had these types of symptoms. i HAVE had inner ear problems before, most notably and entire year of severe pain due to fluid buildup behind the eardrum in my right ear. i took claritin for 6 weeks (steroidal nasal sprays were my other, quicker option but they make instantly want to barf) and that worked, but it took 10 months of multiple doctor visits to figure out what was wrong. i'm really really REALLY hoping it is just the normal back pain i know and love so intimately, and fluid retention in the inner ear. it doesn't explain the weird vision shit though.

symptoms i have:
ringing and pressure in the ears
pain in the right ear predominately
migranes
back/neck/leg pain
foggy disconnected feeling and strain on the eyes
shaky vision
anxiety

symptoms i don't have:
No nausea
No rotational dizziness


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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #17353767 - 12/08/12 04:00 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i should add that the medications i am currently taking are:
450mg bupropion (morning)
100mcg synthroid (morning)
10mg ambien (night)
10mg melatonin (night)
birth control

i have taken all these medications for many years (and actually went down on my ambien and nixed the klonopin i used to take for sleep), except the bupropion, which i started taking at the beginning of this year (February sometime, i don't know the exact date). oh, i guess i recently started taking melatonin too, but i don't think that is an issue.


i do not smoke (cigarettes or weed) and rarely drink. i am overly sensitive to caffeine and try to avoid it as often as possible.


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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #17353826 - 12/08/12 05:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Acidic_Sloth said:
symptoms i don't have:
No nausea
No rotational dizziness




I'm assuming because you've said this that you have looked into Labyrinthitis? 

If it's getting worse throughout the day perhaps it's related to your hormones/endocrine system. What birth control are you on and for how long? Melatonin being a hormone could also being playing a part. It helps to regulate other hormones.

How long have you had hypothyroidism for?  Is there any correlation between that and when you started birth control?

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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: PocketLady]
    #17353853 - 12/08/12 05:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Right, look I need to say that I am not a medical expert at all, just someone who has had extensive health problems due to hormone imbalance.

Your adrenal glands secrete a hormone called cortisol during the day which is converted into melatonin when you sleep.  It has an inverse relationship with melatonin.  So taking a melatonin supplement would lower the amount of cortisol your body puts out.  When cortisol levels are low, the adrenal glands secret adrenalin (epinephrine) to try and compensate, which could explain the anxiety.  As cortisol levels would drop throughout the day that could explain why your symptoms get worse throughout the day.

Cortisol also affects a whole host of other things, blood sugar levels, immune system. It also has an anti-inflammatory effect, so low levels could cause the back pain etc you have been having.  It also effects memory, and causes A LOT of other knock-on effects on the body.

If you already have hypothyroidism and are taking medication for it you are probably just compounding a problem that already exists.  In fact after doing loads of research on this myself, I believe that quite often thyroid problems are the result of birth control/sex hormone imbalance which thus causes a knock-on effect on the thyroid/adrenal gland/entire endocrine system.  But trust me, coming off of birth control won't solve all your problems either because your body forgets how to make it's own hormones.  This is assuming you are taking birth control for birth control, and not for hormone replacement reasons.

Like I said, I'm not a medical expert, but I have had really bad health problems caused by birth control which has totally screwed up my cortisol levels.

You can get your doc to do a 9am and 4pm cortisol blood test to check.

Edited by PocketLady (12/08/12 05:51 AM)

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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #17353937 - 12/08/12 06:21 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Well A_S, I think between the stress, hard work, insomnia, apparent thyroid issues (?) and the medication, there's plenty of possible causes why you could be feeling odd. Oh yea, it's winter, too.

It sounds to me like you're really emotionally worn out at the moment. The term 'burnout' comes to mind, although it's a rather vague phenomenon. Either way, the first thing I'd do in your case is try to create a period of relative rest with as little obligations as possible. Use that period to try and get a nice and stable rythm with as little as possible medication.

Of your medication, the birth control actually worries me the least. Sadly, all the other things are probably going to be much more difficult or impossible to ween off of.

Anyway, I think you need to get back to baseline as much as possible before you can actually start to test specific things. There's just too much going on at this moment to say "well, there's your problem."

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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: koraks]
    #17353968 - 12/08/12 06:39 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, I agree with Koraks, if you are stressed that puts even more pressure on the adrenal glands and can also compound the problem.  That's one big reason why people have health issues when they are stressed.

Also, I don't think birth control has caused this issue in particular, but I would be interested to know if the rest of your health problems (even the RA) started before or after you started birth control. You'd be amazed how sensitive our bodies are to a change in hormones. Our bodies don't just get ill for no reason, there is always a cause, even if the doctors can't find it.


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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: PocketLady]
    #17355927 - 12/08/12 03:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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PocketLady said:
Right, look I need to say that I am not a medical expert at all, just someone who has had extensive health problems due to hormone imbalance.

Your adrenal glands secrete a hormone called cortisol during the day which is converted into melatonin when you sleep.  It has an inverse relationship with melatonin.  So taking a melatonin supplement would lower the amount of cortisol your body puts out.  When cortisol levels are low, the adrenal glands secret adrenalin (epinephrine) to try and compensate, which could explain the anxiety.  As cortisol levels would drop throughout the day that could explain why your symptoms get worse throughout the day.

Cortisol also affects a whole host of other things, blood sugar levels, immune system. It also has an anti-inflammatory effect, so low levels could cause the back pain etc you have been having.  It also effects memory, and causes A LOT of other knock-on effects on the body.

If you already have hypothyroidism and are taking medication for it you are probably just compounding a problem that already exists.  In fact after doing loads of research on this myself, I believe that quite often thyroid problems are the result of birth control/sex hormone imbalance which thus causes a knock-on effect on the thyroid/adrenal gland/entire endocrine system.  But trust me, coming off of birth control won't solve all your problems either because your body forgets how to make it's own hormones.  This is assuming you are taking birth control for birth control, and not for hormone replacement reasons.

Like I said, I'm not a medical expert, but I have had really bad health problems caused by birth control which has totally screwed up my cortisol levels.

You can get your doc to do a 9am and 4pm cortisol blood test to check.




i am actually taking birth control for hormone replacement. i have not been sexually active in quite some time but i started it for replacement reasons when i was 14, long before i even started thinking about sex and well before i received even my first kiss.

anxiety has been an issue since i was a small child, i am almost certain it is caused by the congenital heart defect that i have, bi-cuspid aortic valve in conjunction with mitral valve prolapse. it's not something i worry about too much as i've dealt with it for a very long time, but i do know that added stress probably isn't that great for me, probably more so than a lot of people.

i have always had insomnia from as far back as i can remember, and even before i can remember my parents both say i rarely slept as a baby, but melatonin combined with the ambien has really helped me be able to sort of relax at night (early morning, really).

i'm generally just an anxious person, i worry about what-ifs far too much for my own good and tend to be fairly pessimistic about life in general (at least i'm never disappointed).


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Well A_S, I think between the stress, hard work, insomnia, apparent thyroid issues (?) and the medication, there's plenty of possible causes why you could be feeling odd. Oh yea, it's winter, too.

It sounds to me like you're really emotionally worn out at the moment. The term 'burnout' comes to mind, although it's a rather vague phenomenon. Either way, the first thing I'd do in your case is try to create a period of relative rest with as little obligations as possible. Use that period to try and get a nice and stable rythm with as little as possible medication.

Of your medication, the birth control actually worries me the least. Sadly, all the other things are probably going to be much more difficult or impossible to ween off of.

Anyway, I think you need to get back to baseline as much as possible before you can actually start to test specific things. There's just too much going on at this moment to say "well, there's your problem."




i think you are right, it has been an extremely rough year for me and i've made a lot of environmental/physical/mental changes. rest is going to have to wait, unfortunately. with a week and a half left of the fall semester (and finals for the entire last week) i really can't.

but i don't know what a stable rhythm is, for me, i don't think i have a baseline anymore (i guess i could try and make a new one). i was on SSRIs and mood stabilizers and antipsychotics from the time i was very young to early adulthood, and i was taking nothing at all except the synthroid, birth control, and ambien/klonopin for about 3 years. it was only this year that i felt i need help and went on bupropion. what with all the crazy shit that's been going on, it's really helped. so i'm down to 4 medications from about 12 medications and i don't know that i could go any further. in all honestly, i could ween off the bupropion the easiest as i haven't been on it very long and it can cause some of the symptoms i've been experiencing (shakiness/weakness, headaches). i could probably also stop the melatonin to see if that would make a difference.

but i really do think you are right about just being burnt out. i feel stretched very thin and i'm tired all the time (yet i still can't sleep, that isn't surprising though). i woke up naturally after roughly 4 1/2 hours of sleep today, normal enough occurrence for me, but the disconnection started almost right away, as did the pain.

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Yep, I agree with Koraks, if you are stressed that puts even more pressure on the adrenal glands and can also compound the problem.  That's one big reason why people have health issues when they are stressed.

Also, I don't think birth control has caused this issue in particular, but I would be interested to know if the rest of your health problems (even the RA) started before or after you started birth control. You'd be amazed how sensitive our bodies are to a change in hormones. Our bodies don't just get ill for no reason, there is always a cause, even if the doctors can't find it.




i highly doubt that birth control is a problem, it has helped me A LOT over the years, and i've been taking it since i was 14 as i was having severe problems with my menses (alarmingly heavy bleeding that would last for up to 2 weeks); i'm going on 27 now. i do know that my hormones have been off balance lately (it's been apparent in my skin and i know that is from stress for sure), with the stress of school and having to move away from home for the first time under difficult and fucked up circumstances, and the loss of my father, it's not surprising that my shit would be all screwy.

however, i must also note that i went off my birth control for about 4 months during this time, and have only gone through one cycle since i started taking them again. from past experience, going off the synthroid has never been good for me; it kick starts a slew of other crap that i can really do without (the joys of the endocrine system).

i was diagnosed with JRA when i was 6 so that started way before, and the thyroid issues started around puberty when i was about 12. i started birth control when i was 14 for those intense menstrual cycles i mentioned. for the ambien, i've been on it for roughly 8 years now but i have cut my dose down significantly (half) since the semester started so i would have less trouble getting up in the morning. i also stopped taking klonopin entirely.

what bothers me a little is that there is a history of auto-immune diseases in my family (lupus and fibro) and i know that periods of extreme emotional and physical stress can cause them to become active or "flare," and already having one type of auto-immune disorder (RA) with family history really ups my chances. obviously i would need to see a rheumatologist and have extensive blood work and tests done.


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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #17356137 - 12/08/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if he remembers or not but I think the first time I aggravated RedGreenVines was when I fished up an article on the harmfull effects of melatonin on women, during his presentation of the product with his daughter.

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    #17356148 - 12/08/12 04:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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    #17356213 - 12/08/12 04:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

No that's fair enough. It's a completely different thing to use birth control for hormone replacement, however what you've said below has really rung alarm bells for me.

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however, i must also note that i went off my birth control for about 4 months during this time, and have only gone through one cycle since i started taking them again. from past experience, going off the synthroid has never been good for me; it kick starts a slew of other crap that i can really do without (the joys of the endocrine system).





I have taken the combined birth control pill on and off since I was about 15 because I used to have a really painful cycle, but my problem was I was so damned forgetful and didn't take it half the time.  I switched to the Mirena about 15 months ago which secretes a constant stream of synthetic progesterone into your body.  After 3 months I didn't like it, didn't feel myself etc so had it removed.  About one month after all my health problems started:  Head pressure, twitching/spasms, memory loss, fatigue and insomnia, altered states, hair loss, tinnitus, feeling heartbeat in my head, high blood pressure, systemic fungal infection and like 50 more that I can't be bothered to type.

I have never ever been unhealthy in my entire life and for the past 12 months my life has been a mess, and it's all down to the hormones.

When you stop taking birth control your body loses it's supply of whatever hormones were in the pill.  Your body has been so used to having replacement hormones that it has forgotten how to make it's own.  In my case my body is not making enough progestrone so I am now oestrogen dominant and need to get things back in balance. 

There are literally thousands of women out there who've had a ridiculous amount of problems when they have stopped taking birth control.  In fact I was at the dentists the other day and the dental nurse was telling me about her friend who has to have lumbar puncture every few months due to pressure in her head that started when she came off the pill. 

So stopping the pill plus adding the melatonin might have screwed things up a bit.  You might find that once you've been back on it a bit longer that things settle down :smile:  I really hope you are feeling a bit better soon, sounds like you've been to hell and back with your health problems.


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Re: just stress? hypertension? totally fucked? [Re: PocketLady]
    #17356423 - 12/08/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have a link but I did find somethingI think is related to melatonin thru L-Tryptophan..

In November of 1989, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported evidence linking L-tryptophan supplements to a blood disorder called eosinophiliamyaglia syndrome (EMS) characterized by an elevated white bloodcell count the common symptoms being muscle pain. (A Google Search))

It looks to me like Melatonin is perhaps derived from Tryptophan (?) I don't know.

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    #17358414 - 12/08/12 11:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Some of your symptoms sound like you might be overly tense. I would say try to find a time mid day where you can sorta meditate/breath while you clear your mind and focus only on relaxing all of your muscles.

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    #17371497 - 12/10/12 11:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

okay, so i haven't taken my bupropion since friday (i didn't take it the morning after making the OP) and as bad as i know it is to quit taking these types of medications cold turkey (SSRIs, NDRIs, antipsychotics), i must say that i haven't felt quite so disconnected or crappy.

today was the last day of actual classes, and i'm really tired as i didn't sleep much over the weekend due to banging my head against a wall for literally 36 hours trying to pull a 10 page paper out of my ass that is due on wednesday (needed a mostly completed draft for peer review today). but other than the tiredness (it was rough getting through chem lab tonight, and i just got home a little bit ago), i don't feel all fucked up like i had been feeling, both mentally and physically. the physical part could also be due to my awesome roommate giving me an awesome neck/shoulder/back massage--she did professional massage for 10 years. i'm still in pain, but it's almost back to the level that i'm used to having in general. reinforces that a lot of it is probably stress related, or at least exacerbated by stress and lack of sleep.


i'm still getting pretty shitty headaches though, and my sinuses are still pretty fucked.


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