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OldHag
Peter Pepper
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PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa?
#17360893 - 12/09/12 12:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: Where does it grow? PNW in a clearcut, a few years old Gills: See pics, some were white though, but mostly in very young specimens
Stem: cream to reddish, twisty and thick to thin Cap: mostly tall, and conical, a couple very large specimens were flat capped. Separable pellicle (neato!), and that gel looking nipple at the top
Spore print color: Purple brown or brown purple
Bruising: red mostly on the stem, but some blue bruising visible at the base of a few specimens
Other information: Smelled like other mushrooms that are active, that stinky smell.
I've never found these before, but with pics and info on here and a few hints from HarryL (shout out, thanks for your great info and advice) I believe I have found the correct mushroom. Thank you google maps as well (if I'm right). Are these they?
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: OldHag]
#17360921 - 12/09/12 01:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes they are one of the the conifer psilocybes. either P pelliculosa or P sylvatica or for shits and giggles even maybe P washingtonensis.
that big one is not one though. whats the deal with that one? can you give us gill shots and stuff!? i see obvious blueing!
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suchen
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: OldHag]
#17360981 - 12/09/12 01:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are certainly a Psilocybe species in the same section as pelliculosa and therefore psychoactive, but I don't know enough about its other close relatives like P. silvatica and P. washingtonensis to distinguish between them. Nice find!
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OldHag
Peter Pepper
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: suchen]
#17362077 - 12/09/12 04:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I only have dried gill shot pics at this point. The first is of the subject in question, the 2nd is it's friend that was also flat capped, the 3rd is them together, the 5th is a habitat shot of some other one not flat. Wish I had fresh gill shots, but too late now. I can send this out for microscopy if that is necessary. I just want to make sure it isn't poison or something super awesome. Thanks for your help!
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: OldHag]
#17362660 - 12/09/12 05:13 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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too bad its dried. you didnt happen to get some spores to drop from those big flat ones did you? the big flat ones are not the same as the pelliculosas i dont think. it looks like the stem is blue as hell but thats because it may be an Entoloma , if the spores were pink then thats what it is. But if the spores were purple brown on those huge flat ones then yes you should send them out for microscopy for sure!
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OldHag
Peter Pepper
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Ok, so I did what I hope is the next best thing. I wet a q-tip, dropped a little water on the gills and then used the q-tip to rub spores off of the rehydrated gills. So the first one is the big flat capped one, the second is it's friend that also had a flat cap, and the third is a control sample from a regular conical shaped cap. I know these are really light, but it's the best I've got right now, and I'm really interested in finding out about this. I also found this when I googled "flat cap pelliculosa" Erowid
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canid
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: OldHag]
#17365229 - 12/10/12 12:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not just the flat expanded cap that sets it apart from what I'm used to finding, but the fact that it's so beefy. In P. pelliculosa I would expect a fruit of those proportions to have a stipe less than half that thick.
Also; in mushrooms where you don't have to worry about fluits from the fleshing staining the swab, the q-tip approach is a good idea. I've used it many times.
-------------------- Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Joust
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: canid]
#17365235 - 12/10/12 12:56 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mine have had some beefy stalks look here:
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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canid
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: Joust]
#17365246 - 12/10/12 01:00 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough. In looking through my old pictures I see that I found the odd fatty too.
-------------------- Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: canid]
#17366157 - 12/10/12 08:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya but his has a super thick white heavenly blueing stipe. Not the classic brownish fibrilous stipe we see on pellies.jousts don't look even close IMO.
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OldHag
Peter Pepper
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Mine's stem isn't white, I think Joust's stems look similar, maybe his are a little hairier cause mine have been handled. I think the stem on mine is a little longer as well, but that may be mine was a more mature fruit?
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Joust
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Re: PNW ID Request - Psilocybe Pelliculosa? [Re: OldHag]
#17367585 - 12/10/12 01:04 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OldHag said: Mine's stem isn't white, I think Joust's stems look similar, maybe his are a little hairier cause mine have been handled. I think the stem on mine is a little longer as well, but that may be mine was a more mature fruit?
Psilocybe sec. semilanceatea arevery variable in size and shape, I have found very thick pellies and very thin ones in the same patch. Also white and non-white stems. I believe that yours are sec. semilanceatea, if i had to guess with out a microscopy, Psilocybe pelliculosa. Given the size and thickness the bluing makes sense, My collections that have larger fruits bruise more than the thinner ones. Given that these are massive the bluing is within the limits. Also if im not mistaken Neosporens P. washingtonesis Blued nicely too, those were quite large.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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