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pins on casing growing quite slowly...*pics [UPDATE #2: HARVEST!]
    #17338054 - 12/05/12 11:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

OK, finally got the SD card replaced in my phone.  Here are a pic of the 2 casings I have in my SGFC.

I crumbled colonized BRF cakes into a coir/verm/calcium carbonate casing, and they are actually doing much much better than the cakes did.

I am using multispore Koh Samui Super Strain (KSSS) which has not been all that super in my experience.

First time grower here.







Any input on my casings?

I mist a few times per day, and fan after each misting.  I also just fan a few times each day.  6500k light right above the top of the SGFC on  a 12/12 cycle.  Temperatures are on the lower side....65-70.

I know KSSS makes stubby fruits.  These have been progressing pretty slowly though.  Four days ago I saw the pins had formed. 

Thanks!


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17338076 - 12/05/12 11:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Did you use that tray as a a football or something...

That thing looks fucked up.

Did you just get done misting? Looks wet.


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17338092 - 12/05/12 11:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, couple other things:

1.  The pics are not that representative of the casings...They look much nice in real life.  The pic is affected by the super light on them (6500k) making it look bluish-grey.

2.  The edges of the casings are a little beat up, I know.  I had to gently slide the casings out a week ago, to poke holes in the bottom of the casing container...because I had suspected water might have been collecting, and I was right, so Im glad I made some holes for the water to clear.
....also:  I have a lot of pins on the sides of the casings as well, and I want them to be able to grow, instead of getting smooshed up against the sides.


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17338113 - 12/05/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would take the whole cake out and
just set it on a piece of foil....


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338118 - 12/05/12 11:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Did you use that tray as a a football or something...

That thing looks fucked up.

Did you just get done misting? Looks wet.




Tray!  Thats the word I have been looking for.  Thanks!  And, during the annual family Thanksgiving football game, I scored three touchdowns carrying that tray...unfortunately in my excitement, I spiked the "ball."

:irdumbtard:

Also, yes I had just recently misted.  Let it go longer between mistings?  Let it get a bit drier?  I do not have experience, so I dont know what the casing is supposed to look/feel like as far as proper moisture.  Should it just feel slightly damp to the gentle touch in an area where there are no pins/knots?


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338132 - 12/05/12 11:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I would take the whole cake out and
just set it on a piece of foil....





Now....that sounds like a good idea!  Is there any benefit to keeping it inside the beat up tray?  Microclimate would have been my guess, but that is just to provide the microclimate to initiate pinning, no?

Maybe remove the cakes from the trays, and place them on foil, as you say?  That way the pins on the sides get more light too? 

Then, after first harvest, 1 hour dunk, and place the cakes into brand new trays that wont get so beat up the 2nd flush?


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338135 - 12/05/12 11:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

TKSSS fruits slow, thats pretty normal. Add to that your somewhat low temps and your condition makes perfect sense.

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338138 - 12/05/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Did you use that tray as a a football or something...

That thing looks fucked up.

Did you just get done misting? Looks wet.





:rofl: That's what i was thinking ...... OP did your dog eat your tray .. poop it out then you used it ... lol J/k.

Did you case this tray?
If not it is not 100% colonized.
If you did case ... you shouldn't cubes do not need a casing layer .
How long have the pins been present?

Cyn

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17338149 - 12/05/12 12:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

When I spawn cakes to bulk I always remove them from there
trays. Here's an old pic. Sometimes they fruit only on the
top. Other times they pin everywhere.



Correct on your dunk method.


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338158 - 12/05/12 12:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nice. :thumbup:


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #17338790 - 12/05/12 02:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Update:

I have removed the casings from their beat-up trays, and have placed them on foil on top of the perlite.  Thank you DynGBreed, for the tip, and also the photo as anecdotal evidence!:kenthumbup:








OK, so...I know they don't look all that impressive, but!  Considering my cakes did jack-squat, I am content!  These little shrooms appear tiny, but man are the dense!  I accidentally knocked two pins off while removing the casings from the tray, and I was amazed at how heavy they felt for being just literally 2mm around!

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #17338823 - 12/05/12 02:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
Did you use that tray as a a football or something...

That thing looks fucked up.

Did you just get done misting? Looks wet.





:rofl: That's what i was thinking ...... OP did your dog eat your tray .. poop it out then you used it ... lol J/k.

Did you case this tray?
If not it is not 100% colonized.
If you did case ... you shouldn't cubes do not need a casing layer .
How long have the pins been present?

Cyn





Cyn, I am not entirely sure what you mean....I explained above that I crumbled BRF cakes that were 100% colonized into those meatloaf trays.  I put a thin (1/2 inch) layer of coir/verm/calcium carbonate on the bottom, then 3 inches (probably closer to 2.75) of crumbled BRF cakes evenly distributed, then covered with a layer no more than 1/2 inch of the substrate mix.  I then covered the trays with tin foil, poked 4 tiny holes in the foil, and put them in the top shelf of my closet for 5 days.  I peeked on the 5th day, and there was mycelium poking thru, which I covered with a super thin layer of just verm.  (probably should have made the coir/verm/c.c. again, but I was lazy.)
I then put the trays directly into the SGFC.

The pins have been present since Sunday.

Again, for multispore KSSS, I am pretty happy!  Especially considering my cakes did nothing!!!

One other note:  When I first removed the fully colonized cakes from the trays, there was some liquid underneath the cakes...it was water collecting in there, from misting, and there was no holes...It was pretty bright yellow....yellow = metabolites, no?

Are metabolites only present when there is a contam?  Do the metabolites show they were fighting a contam?  Or no?

These cakes show no signs of contam, and they smell nice and earthy, like mushrooms.

Thanks for all input!!! 

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17338966 - 12/05/12 02:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: Roman08640]
    #17340768 - 12/05/12 08:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I forgot to mention:


I never pasteurized or sterilized the verm, or the coir.  I just broke up the cakes, put the casing layer (mix of verm, coir, and calcium carbonate) on the bottom and top, and covered with foil.

I am loving one of my "mycelium meatloafs" right now...continues to pop up new pins, and they all continue to grow...not a single abort!

I have heard "cubensis does not benefit from a casing layer"  although I have also heard "a cube is a cube, is a cube"..."except for Penis Envy"..."and sometimes KSSS"

I wonder if the KSSS benefits from being in a casing tray, having a bigger, better mycelium network, as opposed to the smaller 1/2 pint cake, and fruits better....

Of course, this is all just anecdotal evidence from my first grow, but, thoughts on that?


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17340838 - 12/05/12 08:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

P.Cubensis do no benefit from a casing layer unless proper moisture levels cannot be kept.(some people say it helps also on hay substrates)

Also, it's "A cube is a cube, with the exception of Penis Envy"....KSSS is something someone else added....I agree it tends to be a little different sometimes, but thats not the saying....im just sayin.

"A cube is a cube, with the exception of Penis Envy", can be searched for and found being said by various TCs, but not with KSSS in it.

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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: PussyFart]
    #17340890 - 12/05/12 08:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I agree completely, NotA!

And, I think you have pointed me in the proper direction for an answer as to why these casings are doing much better than my cakes ever did-  the moisture levels were not optimal.  I felt from the very start, that there might not have been enough water in the BRF/verm/h2o mix....and I also believe some water might have boiled up over the tops of the jars...although those might have been the jars that never germinated or the ones that contamed.  Anyway,

I think these casings are doing so much better, because not only is the better/proper moisture in the casings now, but there is also much more nutrients being provided from the coir and the calcium carbonate. 

I have read the "with the exception of PE" quote dozens of times on here.  On a KSSS thread though, multiple times I have read others mention, "and sometimes KSSS."  To that extent, I have never read any exceptions other than PE or KSSS.  Never read, "a cube is a cube, except PE, and once in a while, B+"


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17342953 - 12/06/12 07:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Growth!  Finally!  Here is the first pic, of the 2nd casing, which is lagging behind the other one, in a major way:



BUT!!!!  Here are some shots of the other cake:


same cake, a bit closer, look at the nice pins on the side:



and, a close-up of one of the patches of "donut" shrooms...Seriously, this looks like three boston creme pie donuts, covered with chocolate on top, and sprinkled with powdered sugar:



any thoughts on what is up with these cakes?  I do not have a hygrometer, but the SGFC is built exactly per the tek. 

I am misting lightly and fanning throughout the day. 
multispore KSSS, with temperatures regularly at 70, or a bit below, (temps fluctuate between 67-72.)


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17342968 - 12/06/12 07:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cube is a cube, with the exception of PE, or albino "strains", and KSSS :wink:.  Seems KSSS has a distinctive growth pattern that we see in a lot of the grows.  Again the only difference here with these "strains" is the visual attributes.  I never noticed any difference in potency or anything else, so the "Cube is a cube other then PE" would still stand accurate when it comes to potency.  Visually speaking, I would throw KSSS into the mix as well as albino/mutant strains.

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and, a close-up of one of the patches of "donut" shrooms...Seriously, this looks like three boston creme pie donuts, covered with chocolate on top, and sprinkled with powdered sugar


any thoughts on what is up with these cakes?  I do not have a hygrometer, but the SGFC is built exactly per the tek. 

I am misting lightly and fanning throughout the day. 
multispore KSSS, with temperatures regularly at 70, or a bit below, (temps fluctuate between 67-72.)




This is a common attribute that I have noticed with a lot of KSSS grows.


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Re: pins on casing growing quite slowly...pics [Re: Citric]
    #17346918 - 12/06/12 08:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:hamsterdance::hamsterdance::hamsterdance:

Well, I thank all for the advice given-  I was able to slightly increase temps, cut back a tiny bit on the misting, and increase the fanning-  both duration and number of times per day.

Here is the first harvest from the cake:


20.8g wet harvest.  All the fruits are shaped like small golf balls with miniature silver dollar pancakes on top!  Or, some even looked like tiny slider-burgers.

And, that is not the entire harvest...I did not weigh the aborts, and the bits of mycelium that came off with the mushrooms...although I don't think that would add up to more than another 4.0g wet.


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