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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #17354088 - 12/08/12 07:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I can only hope when faced in such situations I can keep my eyes open and keep moving forward.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #17354164 - 12/08/12 08:00 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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guy was hanging with thug wanna-bes,
was a thug wanna-be,





So he had it coming? :sherlock:


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Asante]
    #17354173 - 12/08/12 08:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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guy was hanging with thug wanna-bes,
was a thug wanna-be,





So he had it coming? :sherlock:





did I say that or is that you projecting?

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #17354178 - 12/08/12 08:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Moreover, was I serious?  I don't think so :grin:


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Asante]
    #17354215 - 12/08/12 08:19 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Amazing story, even better that the villain got his comeuppance. Almost got a little choked up when he mentioned his parents, what a pungent reminder of how cruel and forgiving this world can be :strokebeard2:

This guy should buy lotto tickets, obviously one of the luckiest people in the world.

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http://www.andersoncooper.com/2011/10/28/ross-meets-the-man-who-saved-his-life/


There's a video on that page of him meeting the man who saved his life.




Thanks for posting, was interested to see his rescuer as well...damn his timing was spot on. Glad those two got to meet, though I found it interesting the officer didn't follow up on Ross - perhaps he didn't want to know  :strokebeard3:

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: B0b0]
    #17354313 - 12/08/12 08:50 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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This guy should buy lotto tickets, obviously one of the luckiest people in the world.





former VP Dick Cheney shot a man in the face with the same load. the guy's
claim that his arm was hanging off is bullshit because it's not consistent
with what we see of the scar. a large chunk of flesh hanging off sure but
not his arm. if the injuries were that bad they wouldnt have released him
after 5 days including the 3 spent unconscious

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Deadkndys420] * 3
    #17355784 - 12/08/12 02:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:thewarden:  :thewarden:  :thewarden:  :thewarden:
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:thewarden:  :thewarden:  :thewarden:  :thewarden:

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #17358402 - 12/08/12 11:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Says a guy who hasnt been shot in the chest.

Like it or not there are countless experiences on the web like that, of people receiving seeming outside help.  Its often experienced as an angel rescue or guardian angel experience.


I'm not comfortable with the notion of angel rescues. Doesnmt fit my outlook on life.  But theres tons of similar reports out there.  Whatever actually happens, it takes the appearance of an ethereal being intervening.




There are also a lot of accounts and reports everywhere about God, Heaven, Satan, Hell... Still doesn't make me a believer.

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My favorite part was when he was talking about that "thing" that just pushed him forward to walk. Very interesting.





Not just forward, it also picked him up. Sounds similar to guardian angel stories that go around in christian circles.






That's the only part that made my eyes roll. It was an incredible feat but he did it himself. There were no invisible hands guiding him.



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Says a guy who hasnt been shot in the chest.

I'm not comfortable with the notion of angel rescues. Doesnmt fit my outlook on life.  But theres tons of similar reports out there.  Whatever actually happens, it takes the appearance of an ethereal being intervening.




:lol:

im with wiccan on this one

unless youve been near death, its hard to say what happened and what didnt happen.

i've been to some pretty low points in my physical meat sack. heard some thangs and felt some thangs.

i never got lifted up, but i've had some encouragement to wake back up again.

not sure if i'd still be here without those words.




I never said that he didn't believe he felt it. I'm also not questioning the validity of you hearing words of encouragement. What I'm saying is those things, nudges, whatever you want to call them came from you not some kind of guardian angel. A sense of survival kicks in and maybe those "invisible hands" or those words are what you need to snap back into it. Doesn't mean it happened outside of your own mind.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: keyohnah]
    #17358580 - 12/09/12 12:30 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I never said that he didn't believe he felt it. I'm also not questioning the validity of you hearing words of encouragement. What I'm saying is those things, nudges, whatever you want to call them came from you not some kind of guardian angel. A sense of survival kicks in and maybe those "invisible hands" or those words are what you need to snap back into it. Doesn't mean it happened outside of your own mind.




see now we are getting further off the current topic and onto more metaphysical topics.

see the thread in PS&P Non-Localized consciousness


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: k00laid]
    #17358588 - 12/09/12 12:34 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

When I read the title of this thread I always want to read Teen survives shotgun blast... To the face


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: k00laid]
    #17358595 - 12/09/12 12:36 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Nice, thanks for the thread suggestion :thumbup:.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Mafeki]
    #17358699 - 12/09/12 01:05 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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When I read the title of this thread I always want to read Teen survives shotgun blast... To the face



There was a teenager who tried to commit suicide with a shotgun and survived.
His face doesn't look as pretty though.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #17359071 - 12/09/12 03:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

that was crazy to watch. i was shot with a shotgun when i was 18 from about two feet away with a 12. with the nerves severed it doesn't hurt as bad as you would think, i've passed kidney stones that hurt worse. i still light up like a christmas tree on xrays, i even have a thread on here from 2004 as soon as i got out.

really hits home.. they way he talks about being on the bus and not trusting people is exactly how it feels, i was scared to walk down the street. this makes me want to make my own video, but i've been writing a book.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #17359139 - 12/09/12 03:43 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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My favorite part was when he was talking about that "thing" that just pushed him forward to walk. Very interesting.





Not just forward, it also picked him up. Sounds similar to guardian angel stories that go around in christian circles.






That's the only part that made my eyes roll. It was an incredible feat but he did it himself. There were no invisible hands guiding him.



you know, it's probably more likely that he pulled himself up, but that's missing the point... the question you should ask yourself is, HOW did it all work out? how did he manage in the first place, to get up, (numbed out probably but regardless) and then how did he make those two approximate moves up and forward to miraculously (i'm using that word pretty loosely) get saved by a passer-by cop?

that's fucking survival at it's direst.
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Low penetration yes, but he still coughed up pellets and blood clots, so it was a substantial shot.





he tells us he coughed up pellets, guy was hanging with thug wanna-bes,
was a thug wanna-be, I dont see his story as completely true



yeah, well, i'm pretty sure what happened... ACTUALLY happen. so if he wants to boast his story a bit to feel like superman, then good for him. he GOT SHOT. c'mon, Pris. i understand what you were getting at, but isn't it still awesome that he didn't get killed? or did he need to be dangling a little closer, to get any sympathy from you?

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #17359307 - 12/09/12 05:24 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Holy shit fuck, life is fucking insane.

I might catch some shit for this but I think he was able to pick himself up because he was a skater.  Constantly putting yourself into situation where you may receive traumatic physical injuries (and sometimes actually receiving those injuries) can get someone accustomed to the "fuck your injuries, get the fuck up" mentality.  This goes for any extreme sport, whether it be BMX, skydiving, rock climbing, anything that requires you to be self sufficient should you receive an injury.


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Idiot]
    #17359308 - 12/09/12 05:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

good point.

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Cloud9]
    #17360200 - 12/09/12 10:58 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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that was crazy to watch. i was shot with a shotgun when i was 18 from about two feet away with a 12. with the nerves severed it doesn't hurt as bad as you would think, i've passed kidney stones that hurt worse. i still light up like a christmas tree on xrays, i even have a thread on here from 2004 as soon as i got out.

really hits home.. they way he talks about being on the bus and not trusting people is exactly how it feels, i was scared to walk down the street. this makes me want to make my own video, but i've been writing a book.




Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that. Do you still feel that way?

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: bryguy27007] * 1
    #17361707 - 12/09/12 03:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

no, but it took a good two years to get over it. whats worse was i was high when i got shot, and every time i got high afterwards it was like being shot all over again. just horrible PTS. i was scared to trip again, but when i finally did it was great, and one of the most important things i did to start healing mentally. but for the longest time i wouldn't want to leave the house, and even walking down the street; every time a car would pass i would close my eyes and tense up waiting to be shot again, you just never know. a year later my little brother was shot at walking down the street in the same neighborhood, and he was only 6. we were also the only white family in an all black neighborhood. to keep it in perspective though i was shot by a white kid.

after watching that video again, that kid didn't have shit for scars. i'm scarred from my inner knee on my right leg to my belly button. i lost my inner thigh muscles (though amazingly every pellet missed my femoral artery) so my leg is caved in. and my dick was split completely apart at the tip, also losing one nut. for over a year after it healed i would piss like a spray nozzle. also have no feeling on the left side of my stomach after they cut me open.

it's a strange thing to go through, but i never saw my life pass before my eyes or anything close to what people say happens when your close to death. i was shot in my house and ran in to the hallway and yelled "i was fucking shot!" within seconds there was a huge blood pile around my feet. i was shot on my bed when i was trying to sleep, and the angle i was shot at left blood streaks across my walls and ceiling (which i left, thinking it was incredibly badass afterwards. i mean who the fuck else has their own blood across their walls and ceiling?) but i just sat in the hallway waiting for the ambulance, drinking a pepsi, trying to hold a towel over the wound which was large enough i could put my entire hand in my leg. it just looked like a raw steak. the ONLY thing i was thinking was "fuck, i'm not gonna get to fuck this girl i just started going out with" and that was it, had i died there, my last thoughts were of not getting some new pussy.

but it's quite a long story, swat teams showed up. i was supposed to get a bunch of coke that day and it was all over the news. my friends thought i had barricaded myself in my room and was doing it. i had some terrible doctors and some good ones. and a friend of mine hung himself the same night, completely unrelated to me, but because of the same girl i was going out with.

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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Cloud9]
    #17361744 - 12/09/12 03:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

dude. rough.. :frown:


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Re: Teen survives shotgun blast [Re: Idiot]
    #17361887 - 12/09/12 03:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Holy shit fuck, life is fucking insane.

I might catch some shit for this but I think he was able to pick himself up because he was a skater.  Constantly putting yourself into situation where you may receive traumatic physical injuries (and sometimes actually receiving those injuries) can get someone accustomed to the "fuck your injuries, get the fuck up" mentality.  This goes for any extreme sport, whether it be BMX, skydiving, rock climbing, anything that requires you to be self sufficient should you receive an injury.





or maybe it's because he was shot with an ineffective load which is damned lucky for him

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

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I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job.

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.

Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.

When To Use Birdshot
A friend of AR15.com sends this:

"I saw a gunshot victim, about 5' 10" and 200 lbs, taken to the operating room with a shotgun wound to the chest. He was shot at a range of six feet at a distance of just over the pectoralis muscle. He was sitting on his front porch and walked to the ambulance. We explored the chest after x-rays were taken. The ER doc had said 'buckshot' wound, but this was obviously not accurate.

It was # 6 shot. There was a crater in the skin over an inch in diameter. When the shot hit the level of the ribs, it spread out about five inches. There was ONE pellet that had passed between the ribs and entered the pericardium, but not damaged the heart at all. As you say, 'use birdshot for little birds.'"



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