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Hippie3
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Re: The Hominy Project

[Re: Hippie3]
#2277565 - 01/27/04 12:23 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

update/report.
Pskovinsky (Pskov)
Senior Member
Username: Pskov

Post Number: 433
Registered: 09-2003

Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:49 am:

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Hippie asked me to write up what my friend has experianced with hominy, so here it is, starting with the basic procedure, and then moving on to notes:

1
open can and dump into collander(pasta strainer thingie). and rinse excessively, useing the faucet, and the little sprayer on a hose thing. then dig around in it by hand and rinse very well again.
2
dry well, preferibly in a towel, but paper towels work ok, kinda. it should be slightly damp but not dripping in the slightest.
3
put a small handful of DRY verm into the bottem of the jars, then fill between half and almost full with hominy(it doesn't shake well, so you don't need room for shaking). my friend used a double layer of house wrap tyvek for a lid.
4
PC it way more then you think you have to, there is a pinkish bacteria that pops up in all of them PC'd for less then an hour at 15psi, these days i recommend 1.5 hours at 15psi.
5
innoc with whatever your going to do it with, g2g, honey water, spores, whatever, and tape over 80-95% of the lid, assuming it's tyvek.
6
after letting the innoc water(assuming it was spores/honey water) run through it a bit, shake it up and try to evenly distribute the verm, it's not possible, but the more even it is the better it works.
7
incubate above 75-80 degrees, the B+ spores my friend used refused to germinate below 75-80ish.
8
shaking at 30% isn't recommended, or really very possible, it takes a LOT of force to get the hominy grains to come apart once they are colonized, and it seems to stall everything for a few)2-4) days, and not really speed up much of anything.
9
do you g2g, or casing, or whatever the same as you would with any other grain.

Notes:
It shouldn't require an hour plus of PCing, as inside the can it's perfectly steril, but the pink bacteria seems to be everywhere on everything, and germinates/grows FAR faster then cubensis myc, and will prevent the growth of everything. it can survive up to 45-55 minutes of 15psi PCing, sturdy little bastard.

Using hominy for a g2g into other grains hasn't worked well for my friend, as it tends to stay in clumps enless seriously abused, as which point it takes a while to recover, then when you shake the whatever the hominy will stay in a clumb and create air pockets and generaly be annoying. this isn't an issue for g2ging another hominy jar, as shaking them doesn't help in the first place.

Hominy will pin/grow INVITRO! i had a jar do it after drying out somewhat(didn't tape over enough of the jar lid, 90% is recommended) so it got 5-6cc's of water injected, with about 2cc's of peroxide mixed in to sterilize the water a bit. after three days it poped up eight pins, which grew quite quickly. as a note, this was in a one pint jar with half a pint or so of hominy.

Try to find the lowest sodium/serving you can, 180 is commen and just find, 680 is also common, and may or may not work. 120 has been found once, and some stores carry a "natural no sodium added" kind that only has 40mg/serving!

You really need to rinse it more then you think you do, the water in the car is saturated with corn starch, which will contam things no matter how long you pc, so rinse it till it is CLEAN. (don't use soap though :P)

Trip quality off B+'s grown in hominy cased with just verm is excellent, seemed more visual then usual with a bit less mental confusion compared to others at the same visual level. Remember this is a very subjective thing, and probably has more to do with mental state then strain/substrate, but you never know.

My friend found that for making casings it worked well to use gloved/steril hands(inside a positive pressure HEPA glovebox) to pull the grains apart, rather then using a spoon or something. spoons will cut right through the soft hominy and expose a lot of uncolonized grain, which if your using a steril casing and doing it in a clean area isn't a problem.

My friend used straight verm to case his, it was hydrated till squeezing a handfull got a drop or two to run off his hand, then then covered it with saran wrap and microwaved for three minutes.
it comes out HOT, like 200-300-400 degrees kind of hot, burn your hand instantly kind of hot, be careful!

I suspect that the housewrap tyveks lets more air/water through it then the postal stuff does, hence the taping over 80-95% of it. The bigger the jar the more air it needs, and the less you should tape it.

My friend is planning more invitro experiments, and i will post his results, if any, when he's done.

If any of you have any questions feel free to post them or PM my. My internet is dead at the moment so it will take a few days for me to reply.
(sorry for the spelling/grammer errors, hippie3(or any other mod) your welcome to fix any you notice, in fact, please do :P)

Ha, edited already, but by Me...

Hominy has an odd smell, that is fairly hard to describe. Take a few whiffs of your jars before you put the lids on, and after you put the lids on and remember that smell! there are a good number of invisibly contams that will make it smell either different and nasty, OR THE SAME, but much stronger!

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