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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: RBX]
    #1737669 - 07/22/03 10:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

that's my thinking as well,
it might make good spawn.
it bears pointing out that cubester, being a relative newbie [not that that's bad, it did help him feel free to try new things], apparently just made a hominy cake of sorts.
from the last pic, it appears he's trying to fruit it intact,
with a verm. casing like a PF cake.
this seems likely to be the case seeing as how his source for the
transfered mycellia came from a pf cake.

this brings up a second point related to speed of colonization.
i've edited a couple of my initial posts now to reflect this,
but the point being that his 2nd pic is at 2.5 weeks from the tissue transfer, which someone implied was a bit slow.
but it occurs now to me that he very likely never shook the jars to speed growth like we do with grains, since it was a cake, which we don't shake.
if he had put his hominy in quarts only 2/3's full and then shaken then once after say that 30% growth mark, like we do when we're making spawn, then the jars may well have finished much faster.



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1737680 - 07/22/03 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

blackout,
yeah,
the do-it-all-in-one-can idea crossed my mind too.
but i'm thinking you'd want to take the can, poke the two holes
like you say, drain out the water.
then i'd cover the holes with tyvek or microporous tape [hell even duct tape if that's all you got].
then i'd boil the entire can, keeping the holes above water with a foil cover like pf jars.
then once it cools, slide your needle thru a hole and inoculate. cover the needle hole with more tape.
wait say 3 weeks [shake once at 10 days] and open a can of insta-spawn.
that'd be great and it's well worth a try,
just think- no jars at all.
that alone would be a great improvement.





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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1737723 - 07/22/03 11:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hippie- i would think it is sterile from the canning process. i always thought they heated all canned goods to high temps to sterilise. it would be great for people without a pc to be able to do grains without worry of contamination, especially those who are in 2 minds about getting a PC who have never tried grains before. i dont think reboiling the can is necessary, just use microporous tape as you say, it is not too much hassle though.

i wonder if a glass jar of grains would be as sterile as a can. i have never seen glass jars of grain though. if you went to a wholesaler or catering supplier they may have great stuff

google should have lots of info. heres a link i found
http://www.mealtime.org/about/about_history.aspx

quote "Heat sufficient to destroy microorganisms is applied to foods packed into sealed, or "airtight" containers. The canned foods are then heated under steam pressure at temperatures of 240-250?F (116-121?C). The amount of time needed for processing is different for each food, depending on the food's acidity, density and ability to transfer heat. For example, tomatoes require less time than green beans, while corn and pumpkin require far more time.

Processing conditions are chosen to be the minimum needed to ensure that foods are commercially sterile, but retain the greatest flavor and nutrition. All processes must be approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Once the cans are sealed and heat processed, the food maintains its high eating quality for more than two years and is safe to eat as long as the container is not damaged in any way. And, like the home canning process, no preservatives are added or necessary."



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1737737 - 07/22/03 11:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Damn Hippie you is the Hominy Master. Bye the way what on Gods green earth is hominy? Is it psudocorn or what? Hitler has a point about it being already very sterile. It should only need to be nuked for the 30 minute sterilization period and thats it.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1737774 - 07/22/03 11:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes, blackout, it would be sterile until you open it.
but as you drain fluid out,
air will be sucked back into the can.
so unless you do that in front of a flowhood, glovebox, etc. then you'd proly want to at least boil it once
you got it re-sealed after draining.
just to be safe, you might get away with not doing so
in a nice clean room just sprayed with lysol, etc.
but i would expect to lose a few if you do.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1737855 - 07/22/03 12:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hominy is corn. Hominy grits are larger than (regular)grits. I wonder if the small grits would work as well. Hominy, being larger pieces, would probably not compact as much as the smaller size grits,giving you good air flow. But I wonder if the smaller grits may produce faster growth than the hominy.
Just a thought anyway.

:cool:I'm gonna have to check out Hippies site for more interesting substrates.There may be other breakfast foods that would work.Maybe I could try Lucky Charms........ they are after all, "magically delicious"...........heheheh.......... :wink: :grin: :wink:

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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1738022 - 07/22/03 01:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

it's corn that's been specially treated to remove the hulls, it looks like swollen corn.
find it right next to the canned corn at your grocery.
mine was 37 cents for 15.5 ounces,
14% sodium [there were brands with as much as 24%]
just buy the cheap generic stuff, it had less salt than the more expensive.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1740380 - 07/23/03 04:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hippie- yeah i never thought of the air being sucked in. if a person has a flowhood then they most likely have a pc and will sterilise their own. could hold a lighter over the hole sucking in air or put the porous tape over it so it gets filtered (may take hour to drain though)

i bought a can of brown lentils last night and microwaved them in a jar for about 20mins to get the moisture down. i rinsed them well, they were very salty. injected with some PF honey water an hour ago.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1740544 - 07/23/03 09:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

prepped a can-o-insta-spawn last night,
basically poked two holes with icepick,
drained off fluid,
then i submerged can under water to re-fill,
drained off salt,
repeated, drained until quit dripping,
taped the holes, covered with tyvek
and steamed 1 hour.
just inoculated so we'll know more soon.
having done one can now,
i think next time i'd just use a can opener to
remove the entire lid,
make draining and rinsing easier,
and then cover with double layer of tyvek
held on by rubberbands. cover most of the tyvek with duct tape after innoculation to prevent drying.
i tested rubberbands in the pc and they came thru just fine.
so i think that would be easy, just to use the can as a jar,
still can't see in but it's no worse than leaving the lid on.
we'll get some going ASAP in that manner and see how that goes.


p.s.
snafu.
our friend noticed, when he went to inoculate, that there was way too much water pooling in the bottoms of the jars so he's re-doing it with 1/4 cup of verm tossed in to soak up the excess.
after he told me this, i got to thinking and it occured to me that some verm in there might be one good way to get around the salt. if the spores land on any verm. chunks and germinate before hitting the corn, then it's be more like cubester's tissue transfer with the tiny bits of verm still attached, you'd have live mycellia on the salt-free verm then able to handle the salt problem, if there is one, better than perhaps spores could.
am i making any sense y'all ?




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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1754743 - 07/28/03 04:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lentils are colonising. i think moisture will be a problem if the can is just drained. it took 20mins microwaving to get it down to what looked ok


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1755361 - 07/28/03 09:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

interesting.
so you think the water content on your lentils was originally too high ? what led to that conclusion ?
as for our hominy, it's now a bit less than 96 hours [4 days] since inoculation with spores and there's no apparent signs of life yet.
but it's still too early to draw conclusions.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1755381 - 07/28/03 09:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

just seemed very wet they were all sodden down the bottom of the jar. now it has begun to colonise it seems a bit dry. i injected about 5cc of honey water. i may have to add more water.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1756294 - 07/28/03 03:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Microwaves are terrible for drying things in. The oven works much better, sometimes too good.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1758524 - 07/29/03 04:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

shake it every few minutes and you are fine


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1758601 - 07/29/03 04:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I microwaved some tiny wet cardboard discs in glass tubes for nearly 15 minutes, and they were still just as soggy as when they went in.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1759321 - 07/29/03 12:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if they are very small the microwaves can miss them, most microwaves have hot spots and cold spots, thats why rotating plates came in and why you must really shake bottles of baby milk.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: blackout]
    #1760887 - 07/29/03 09:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

finally heard back from cubester,
here's his post.
Quote:

Holy crap guys! Didn't realize what i had started with this idea. Sorry for not getting on this sooner had no idea about the project your working here Hip. I'll just start by throwing in how I did it. Very simply I just opened the can drained off the extra water. I actually just cut the lid about 1/2 way and set it upside down for about 10-15 mintes. Then I just dumped it in the jar. It seems like I may have also drained a bit of the extra water off ater I put the hominey in the jar itself. Then I just pc'd it like you would any thing else. There was a slight bit of moisture in the bottom of the jar,not much just a little. This excess moisture was absorbed within a few days with out any problems. You may need to flip the jara few times to let it all soak in. Outside of that I just let it sit. Now the unfortunate part of the whole story. I only did one jar because I had no idea what might come of it. So the jar came out looking great for about a week then it happened....the greenie meanies got me! I got hit pretty hard about 1/2 of my pf cakes were wiped out as well. I don't think it had any thing to do with the hominy though. I actually still have the hominey cake going even though it's contamed pretty bad and it's actualy pinning today. (i'm not planning on consuming the fruits) So all looks well for the project (not the cake!) I'm glad to see some one picking up the idea as I'll be stepping out from growing for a while. Just to take a bit of a break. Wish I would have found out a little earlier in my growing cycle but I'm sure I'll find more time to play with this one in the future. Good luck guys! I'll post pics in a few days if the cake manages to fruit despite the contams




i found it note-worthy that the hominy is pinning.
note he confirms he only made the one jar, a hominy cake,
and it was never shaken.
my own experiments are in trouble, spotted what appears to be lipstick mold in one jar, pretty obviously badly contam'd as water and heat build up and the hominy is disintegrating.
i think perhaps the syringe we used was bad.
so now we have to start more anew.
thankfully we used 2 different syringes.



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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1762366 - 07/30/03 12:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

houston,
we have lift-off.
it gives me great pleasure to announce that mycellia has now, at about 6 days since multi-spore inoculation, become visible in 3 jars of hominy.
that means it works.
spores will germinate, and mycellia grow,
on plain hominy right out of the can.
that's a pretty stunning developement, in my opinion.
the patches are still a bit small for my crappy webcam to show clearly but we'll have pix in another day or two.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #1762993 - 07/30/03 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That is wonderful.
So, you poured it out in open air or in a glovebox?

Hominy is quite bit better then brown rice if it all works out good. Seems like it could be a new PFTEK in terms of what it will do to our field. A mushrooms growing revolution.


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Re: The Hominy Project [Re: Grandpa]
    #1763012 - 07/30/03 04:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wow.. Very impressive and certainly innovative tek..... Has anyone checked the health food stores yet?

Could this be done with canned brocolli tops? They have a lot of small vegetative nodules which could easily be well distributed as a spawn.

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