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Eating Azure mycelium: The results. * 1
    #1733714 - 07/21/03 01:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This just in:

Two quart jars of azurescens on cracked corn were prepared, and incubated for 4 weeks. one week after full colonization a half cup (4 fluid ounces) were taken from the jar and soaked in water for a few hours and drained. After a few days the corn pieces fuzzed over nicely. This was done in hopes of maximizing the mycelium:corn ratio.

one fourth of it (1 Fl. Oz.) was swallowed unchewed in pieces (like pills) slight effects were felt, subject was only fairly certain the effects were not placebo. Subject then waited 4 days before consuming the other 3/4ths (3 Fl. Oz.). Effects were comparable to 1-1.5 grams dried cubensis.

The entire jar of colonized substrate was estimated to be a pint and a half. The entire contents of the jar were estimated to be equivalent to 10-12 grams dried cubensis.

It is still possible thet the potency of azurescens substrate may increase with age.

Potency of azurescens substrate in comparison to cubensis substrate is still unknown.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1733805 - 07/21/03 02:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: TxTec]
    #1733813 - 07/21/03 02:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

That doesnt belong here... I think that image will just stunt what is an otherwise inteligent and promising thread.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1733815 - 07/21/03 02:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I may try this, as I have several quarts of azure mycelium which has been growing in limbo for well over a year.. its still healthy and strong, too! :smile:

/me crosses fingers for aged mycelium being potent


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Jared]
    #1733985 - 07/21/03 03:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

what weight had the effect of 1-1.5g?
any more willing subjects?
are you planning on trying other substrates?

i would personally mix it with curry sauce to mask the taste, although 1/2 a cup is no problem. what was the taste like?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: blackout]
    #1734006 - 07/21/03 03:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Weight was not measured.

It was unchewed, and swallowed like you would swallow pills. No taste.

When attempting to chew subject observed that tase was not pleasant. Worse than chewing dried cubensis. A bitter fungusy corn taste.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1734137 - 07/21/03 05:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry, but TxTec's post was :lol:.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: daba]
    #1734145 - 07/21/03 05:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)




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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1734159 - 07/21/03 06:08 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

has anybody else done this?
did it stain blue?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: blackout]
    #1734166 - 07/21/03 06:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)


Somebody in an earlier thread mentioned eating a pint of Pan cyans I think, and tripped pretty hard.

The azurescens did stain dark blue.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1734201 - 07/21/03 07:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

How about using what you got to colonize large wood chips, scrape it off and voila, pure myc.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Jackal]
    #1735168 - 07/21/03 04:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I would imagine a liquid culture would be much more palatable, although even more difficult to measure dose...


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: mycofile]
    #1735230 - 07/21/03 04:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe, but I bet it would take a gallon or more.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1737185 - 07/22/03 03:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I've ground up 2 brf cakes put them in orange juice for 45 minutes, strained them out, drank the juice and had a 3.5 gram trip. Try a simple extraction to get the chems out, I think it would be easier.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: RBX]
    #1737904 - 07/22/03 12:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think I have the stomach to even attempt this..


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: bjkroll]
    #1738559 - 07/22/03 04:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So basically fresh azure mycelium is more potent that dried cubensis? By weight? By volume?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: resin]
    #1738923 - 07/22/03 06:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

No. A half cup of dried cubensis would be alot.

The only comparison made to cubensis was on the amount of trip produced by a quart of azurescens mycelium compared to the amount of trip produced by fruiting a quart jar of cubensis.

A quart jar of cubensis substrate will fruit 20-30g. It will require a terrarium, casing, maintanance, and lots of space. A quart of azurescens mycelium will produce the equivalent of 10 to 12 grams of dried cubensis, a little less than half what the fruited jar of cubensis would have produced. It will require no maintanance and only a fraction of the space. It is also easier to hide making it probably the stealthiest method to-date.


Fruiting a jar of cubensis through to it's final flush to get that 20-30g would probably take 50% longer than it took the azurescens jar to colonize to 100%, making a jar of azurescens 75% as efficient as a jar of cubensis.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: bjkroll]
    #1739144 - 07/22/03 08:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it could be dried and ground in a coffee grinder.

Then taken in powdered form, or encapsulated.

Peroxidated grain to grain could also be used to speed up the process. One jar could probably be turned into five within a couple weeks.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1739155 - 07/22/03 08:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like you're on to something.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: mycofile]
    #1739193 - 07/22/03 08:23 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This tek sounds promising!. I agree with Mycofile...
a liquid culture would be more palatable. At first
it would be difficult to dose, but if numerous jars
of LC would be colonized completely, the liquid
drained off, the mycelium dried powdered, one could
start off with a small bioassay and over time, come up
with a more standardized dose.

I would imagine a tek like this would produce the
same potency time and time again.

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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Raadt]
    #1739206 - 07/22/03 08:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to see it catch on and for people to make estimated comparisons of other species. The relative potency of cubensis mycelium compared to azure is still unknown. I'd also like to see Pan cyan/tampanensis beyocystis, Ps. cyan and the rest compaired.

Also, it should be noted that it would probably be best if the azurescens were to come from culture. Azure prints can tend to be not as sterile as cubensis prints. Someone doing this might want to start the azure spores in a PF jar, then move a clean section from there to peroxidated agar.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1739711 - 07/22/03 10:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm.. Perhaps doing a cranberry, or orange juice extraction on a woodchip based substrate colonized with azure mycelium, then dehydrated into juice/magic powder, would work... I've never had any luck with liquid cultures... Everything always seems to be going fine.. then tragedy strikes.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Jared]
    #1739759 - 07/22/03 11:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Do you use peroxide?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Jared]
    #1739771 - 07/22/03 11:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So basically a quart jar of azure mycelium yeilds about 5 trips. What extraction technique could one use for mycelium?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: resin]
    #1739809 - 07/22/03 11:35 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, cranberry, or orange juice extraction sounds good, but i have no idea if that actually works.
what about tequila ? :laugh: 


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1740374 - 07/23/03 04:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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It is also easier to hide making it probably the stealthiest method to-date.




sclerotia is the same but it takes 3 months but ends up with a higher yeild of doses.
there is an old tek of just growing cubensis mycelium and eating or extracting it. many people must have done this before, anybody out there?
most people deride the psilocybin producers guide which involves growing large amounts of liquid mycelium, i often asked if azures would be better but most said dont bother.

i did try it with cubes and the yeild from liquid was pathetic, i used a gallon jar.
one proper way would be to use a 50l keg with a stirrer and pump sterile air into it, this is supposed to produce hard pellets of mycelium very quickly.

now i did ask this over a year ago

"in the dosage calculator it shows mature azures as having little or no psilocin. i understand that all mycelium only contains psilocin and no psilocybin. so does azures mycelium have no psilocin aswell or is it converted totally to psilocybin when it matures??"

seems it does have an effect, but other species may be better.

Baby_Hitler-have you tried it on other subjects yet?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: blackout]
    #1750159 - 07/26/03 05:10 AM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Interesting results from a second experiment.

5 days later the same subject ingested 3 Fl. Oz. (Same amount as in the azure experiment) of cubensis substrate on Cracked corn and estimated potency to be approximately 2/3 that of azurescens.

This was from cloned mycelium that showed very strong blueing when it was first crumbled. The entire substrate turned a consistant sky blue within minutes of being removed from the jar, and crumbled in a pan.

Subject observed that while the cubensis was nearly as potent, he found the trip to be unpleasant, whereas the azure experience was excellent. This may, however, have had more to do with the subject himself than with the substance.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1817819 - 08/15/03 07:17 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

This is superb Hitler. Awesome write-up.   
I am very pleased that you used CC in your experiment as well. :wink:

Did you use that 50 lbs yet?


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    #1817829 - 08/15/03 07:22 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Nah, most of that will probably get fed to chickens.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1817833 - 08/15/03 07:23 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Hows the potency on them chickens?    :grin:


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Effed]
    #1817995 - 08/15/03 08:43 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Just a few questions before I save up and buy an azure print.  I am SUPPOSED to get one in the mail, but it hasn't come yet :frown: this saddens me

1. why don't you fruit the azures, wouldn't you get a better potency and a greater yield?
2. stealth reasons?
3. Can azures be grown on pf style cakes?
4. popcorn?


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: DanKnugget]
    #1818013 - 08/15/03 08:52 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Azures are a woodloving species. They don't always fruit the first year if they ever fruit at all.

At this point they are still strictly an outdoor fruiting species.


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Re: Eating Azure mycelium: The results. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1818639 - 08/16/03 01:26 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

oh great, i live in a perfect environment. gonna definitly get some spores(once i get a job). what is the best time to spawn outside. probably right now, eh? better go look for a job :/ unless one of you kind fellas happens to have some spare spores? good luck baby hitler, and good job on the experiment!


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