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Kcollier504
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Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek
#17336846 - 12/05/12 06:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have two 20cc syringes in the fridge, I plan on doing the pf tek method as this is my first grow. I was having a hard time finding brf so I did some more research and decided to use the same method only using wbsf instead of brf. In some cases I read that you must prepare the wbs by simmering etc. is this only w for the whole grain grows? Do I have to do anything to prepare the wbs before I grind it all up? Can I just follow the pf tek method exactly only using wbs instead of the brf? Also, should I let the syringes get back to room temp before inoculation? PLEASE HELP THANKS!!
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Kcollier504]
#17336866 - 12/05/12 06:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can't find Brf, what makes you think wbsf is going to be easy to find?
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: thecarnie]
#17336881 - 12/05/12 06:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used WBSF before and it worked just fine. But, I prefer brf.
Also, if you can make wbsf.....you can make brf.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Kukukatcho]
#17336944 - 12/05/12 07:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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op, if you have means to grind bird seed into powder, then just go to the store and get some regular brown rice. grind it to a powder instead. there you are. also, i've heard that fresh ground brown rice is actually better than packaged brown rice flour. that's your best bet.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: pianotuna]
#17337157 - 12/05/12 08:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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i always used wild bird seed flour over brf. it colonizes MUCH MUCH faster than brf. my wbsf jars are usually done within 8-12 days.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Z O M G]
#17337352 - 12/05/12 09:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well guys, yes buying the rice specifically and grinding it will work, so will the bird seed. If your like me, you dont want to buy more crap than you have to. So if you can make your own flour, you are better off. I currently have some brf, but when its gone, im switching to rye flour. I have a 50 lb bag of rye, and a blender. This method is way cheaper than buying rice.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17337401 - 12/05/12 09:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: skippydude]
#17337469 - 12/05/12 09:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wbs will work instad of brf. I get my brf from a bulk store for like 1.29 a pound. Wbs is more expensive in my area unless you want corn and sunflower seeds in ur mix. Has anyone ever done stright sunflower seeds and verm? I've thought about it just never actually tryed it.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: skippydude]
#17337529 - 12/05/12 10:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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skippydude said: So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
Im guessing here, but not enough nutrients.
In all likelyhood its been tried 1000's of time, probably worked but not optimally.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (12/05/12 10:08 AM)
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Specialty]
#17337538 - 12/05/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Specialty said: Wbs will work instad of brf. I get my brf from a bulk store for like 1.29 a pound. Wbs is more expensive in my area unless you want corn and sunflower seeds in ur mix. Has anyone ever done stright sunflower seeds and verm? I've thought about it just never actually tryed it.
i've done sunflower seed flour and it works fine. there's teks floating about this site of just sunflower seeds and those seem to have worked out just fine.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17337569 - 12/05/12 10:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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malicom said:
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skippydude said: So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
Im guessing here, but not enough nutrients.
If whole wheat won't do.
Then I don't think rye will.
I can't get rye berries where I live and use organic wheat berries instead.
I never have used rye so there is no way for me to compare.
Short of ordering an expensive bag of rye online and doing a side by side.
I can tell you that mycelium colonizes wheat berries very fast.
The nutes are there, must be another reason not to use it?
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: skippydude]
#17337589 - 12/05/12 10:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Users here have used rye flour, for both the pf and brf agar teks with great success. I buy 50 lb bags of rye berries from our local farm supply store for 17$.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (12/05/12 10:22 AM)
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17337610 - 12/05/12 10:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its funny that this post came up. I was just formulating how to prepare my flour too. I think a wash to get rid of dirt, and pesticides. Then a bake in the oven at 350 for 90 min. This serves 3 purposes.
1) Kills all bacteria and blastocysts. 2) Dries out the grain from washing it. 3) Burns/scorches some of the grain providing even more nutrients by chemical decomposition from the heat.
Then grind it in a blender.. Voila.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17337627 - 12/05/12 10:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was blown away by the fact that I live in central valley California.
And not one single feed store carries rye.
I did get lucky and scored a 120 lbs sack for $20
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: skippydude]
#17337637 - 12/05/12 10:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well you should try to grind those wheat berries, and see what you come up with. Perhaps whole wheat flour will do the trick.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Z O M G]
#17337779 - 12/05/12 11:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Z O M G said: i always used wild bird seed flour over brf. it colonizes MUCH MUCH faster than brf. my wbsf jars are usually done within 8-12 days.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17337796 - 12/05/12 11:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can use Wheat, and oat bran. But whole wheat flour is just white flour with little whole wheat added usually, enough to make it appear brown
Lots of grains can be ground to make into flour for the PF Tek.
Rye work's great.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: skippydude]
#17338391 - 12/05/12 12:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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skippydude said: So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
Also wheat flour has a lot of gluten in it that makes it difficult for mycelium to colonize.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: DynGBreeD]
#17338403 - 12/05/12 12:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Was going to give A+ trimmings a try!
Imagine how hard trich will be to spot in some mean green.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: XFINITY]
#17338405 - 12/05/12 12:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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skippydude said: So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
Also wheat flour has a lot of gluten in it that makes it difficult for mycelium to colonize.
Make's a sticky... shitty, substrate.
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: DynGBreeD]
#17338419 - 12/05/12 12:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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DynGBreeD said:
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XFINITY said:
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skippydude said: So if other grains work. Why not good old whole wheat flour.
Also wheat flour has a lot of gluten in it that makes it difficult for mycelium to colonize.
Make's a sticky... shitty, substrate.
That is what I thought.
Probably exactly why white rice don't work
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: thecarnie]
#17339313 - 12/05/12 04:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well the carnie, I can buy wbs anywhere and grind it up into wbsf, thanks for your help
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Kcollier504]
#17339401 - 12/05/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks, yeah I decided to go with the wbsf, I hear it colonizes much faster and it's the easiest for me to find. Should I soak it or prepare it in any way before grinding it into powder?
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Re: Wbsf instead is brf in pf tek [Re: Kcollier504]
#17339535 - 12/05/12 04:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wild bird seed is a feed grain, wont contain as much pesticide as seed grain. You should be fine just grinding it.
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