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How to dial in your monotubs like a boss * 43
    #17332777 - 12/04/12 03:25 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

This is part of my series on how I get things done. I hope it helps!

I notice a lot of folks never fully dial in their monotubs. This is a pretty simple process. A dialed in monotub does not need to be misted or fanned on the first flush, nor does it need bubble wrap or wax paper or any kind of casing layer. On average, a 66qt monotub with a 3" deep substrate should yield between 6-8oz dry for the first flush (though crap genetics can result in reduced yields)

When your substrate is fully colonized, it is time to fruit. Some people prefer to wait for a few pins, but i find this only adds more aborts to my first flush. My yields are better when fruited at 100% as well.

The key to a successful mono is passive FAE. You want to start by stuffing your polyfill properly.

For the bottom holes on your mono, it's simple: you'll want to stuff them very tightly to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom. Citric suggested this most excellent idea.

For the top holes, you want very loose polyfill.

Here's a quick pictorial on how I make perfect little puffballs for the top holes of my monos. It allows for good FAE and retains tons of humidity:

Spread a puffball flat on your palm, about a half inch thick at most.


Fold it in half.


Gently roll into a ball that is a bit larger than the hole itself. Use little or no pressure when rolling the ball between your hands. Should end up looking like this:


Gently insert it into the tub, don't stuff it in or anything, just push it through so it's almost falling out.



You will want to run a fan in the room. make sure it is stationary and facing near but not directly at the monotub(s). You do not want to feel any direct wind from the fan itself blowing on your tub(s). :thumbup:

Run the fan on low or medium. A good indicator of good FAE is a line of evaporation running down one or both sides of the tub from the top holes. The rest of the walls should be covered in condensation, except for small rings around the bottom holes.



If the walls dry up during the first flush, adjust your poly in the top holes and make sure your fan is not too close to the tubs. Mist the walls if they've dried up, do not mist the substrate however.

This should give you a great first flush in your monotubs :thumbup:

Here's a few examples of my own personal monotubs I've fruited using this method, these are just coir/verm and gypsum:





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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17381943 - 12/12/12 09:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

So what you are showing is how to loosely fill the top holes, right, since you said to stuff the bottom holes tightly and the top holes loosely to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom?

My questions are how do you pack the bottom holes tightly, and what size are your holes?

I'm reading everything I can right now since my grain jars are colonized and I'm ready to start my first monotub. Lots of differing opinions. Just thought I'd find someone with some experience and do it that way rather than mix and match.

Thanks.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: El Mescalero]
    #17383467 - 12/13/12 01:19 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, same position, i t sounds super easy  but i end up with the polyfill not actually covering the whole whole, its like to thick, but has an opening not blocking anything. i'm an idiot!!! teach us frank!! :prettyflyforawhiteguy:


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: silos]
    #17383613 - 12/13/12 01:54 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, very convenient time to post. I'm colonizing my first mono right now and have the loosest polyfill puff balls you could possibly make stuffed in the bottom holes. I'll be re-stuffing with dense polyfill puff balls tomorrow. Thank you

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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus]
    #17383693 - 12/13/12 02:15 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, very convenient time to post. I'm colonizing my first mono right now and have the loosest polyfill puff balls you could possibly make stuffed in the bottom holes. I'll be re-stuffing with dense polyfill puff balls tomorrow. Thank you

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: ps118]
    #17383756 - 12/13/12 02:32 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




I have a trashbag rapped around the enitire monotub? The tek I followed: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

Which I'd like to point out is a very popular tek with a high success rate- Does not say anything about tape, or even a trashbag. OP just suggested that you "toss a blanket" over them while colonizing.

So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus]
    #17383793 - 12/13/12 02:47 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




I have a trashbag rapped around the enitire monotub? The tek I followed: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

Which I'd like to point out is a very popular tek with a high success rate- Does not say anything about tape, or even a trashbag. OP just suggested that you "toss a blanket" over them while colonizing.

So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.




If it is wrapped in a trashbag, that's one thing (which I don't do because I like to give my tubs light.) But polyfill in the open air gives way too much FAE, you want high CO2 during colonization. Any GE can be handled by the lid during colonization, as you pointed out.

If you're in a trash bag, you probably don't even need poly in the holes whatsoever but it couldn't hurt I suppose.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus] * 2
    #17384591 - 12/13/12 10:34 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.



Wrong, the imperfect lid will provide the needed amount of GE(Gas Exchange), but should not allow for FAE(Fresh Air Exchange).

People used to think light was the reason you get side pins, but thats not the case, light is not a main pinning trigger.

People tape up the holes for colonization, so the CO2 levels are high, and then pack the holes with polyfill for fruiting, for FAE.

A trash bag can get puntured, which makes taping the holes worth it when wrapping the tub with a bag.

And you do not need to cover them with a blanket for colonization, light is beneficial to the growth of mycellium during all stages.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: ps118]
    #17384650 - 12/13/12 10:55 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




There are many ways to milk a cat.
For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.
For fruiting the lower holes got somewhat tight (split up one ball from the upper hole and
stuff two lower holes with them) and the upper holes stay uncovered.
Works great in my environment.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun]
    #17384661 - 12/13/12 10:59 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.



Why tho? If the imperfect lid provides enough GE for everyone else, why would u use polyfill in the top holes for colonization?

I realize that if it's stuffed tight it shouldn't matter, but I just want your opinion on this.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: PussyFart] * 2
    #17384672 - 12/13/12 11:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun] * 3
    #17384678 - 12/13/12 11:04 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.



Ah, I see says the blind man to his deaf friend...now it makes sense, thanks!


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun] * 1
    #17386017 - 12/13/12 04:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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So what you are showing is how to loosely fill the top holes, right, since you said to stuff the bottom holes tightly and the top holes loosely to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom?

My questions are how do you pack the bottom holes tightly, and what size are your holes?

Thanks.




Yes, I need to edit this a bit more with new pictures, but this is going to be re-named "how to stuff polyfill in your monotub" :lol:
For the bottom holes, I just roll together a big ol' ball and stuff it in from the outside. I push in the middle with my thumb(s) and get it to stick real well.
The upper puffballs I make very loose like I've shown. My holes on my tubs are all 1.5", four on the bottom at sub level and two on top :thumbup:
Good luck with your first mono!

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Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.




Interesting, I stack my tubs and I've tried both tight poly in the top holes and taping them all up. They both seem to work equally well for me :shrug:


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17390884 - 12/14/12 12:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: PussyFart]
    #17523753 - 01/09/13 07:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.



Why tho? If the imperfect lid provides enough GE for everyone else, why would u use polyfill in the top holes for colonization?

I realize that if it's stuffed tight it shouldn't matter, but I just want your opinion on this.





I just posted a thread asking this very question. Glad I came across this


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17523792 - 01/09/13 07:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: Yesum]
    #17524344 - 01/09/13 09:24 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

How big are these holes? :P You should weigh the polyfil on a digital scale so we can follow this exactly. Heh, nah just jokin thanks for write up.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17764795 - 02/08/13 12:28 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

expanded and updated the OP, renamed it as well :lol:
hope this helps!


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17792427 - 02/12/13 11:42 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Added some pics of successful harvests I've had using this method to the OP.


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    #17840010 - 02/21/13 09:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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