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How to dial in your monotubs like a boss * 46
    #17332777 - 12/04/12 01:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This is part of my series on how I get things done. I hope it helps!

I notice a lot of folks never fully dial in their monotubs. This is a pretty simple process. A dialed in monotub does not need to be misted or fanned on the first flush, nor does it need bubble wrap or wax paper or any kind of casing layer. On average, a 66qt monotub with a 3" deep substrate should yield between 6-8oz dry for the first flush (though crap genetics can result in reduced yields)

When your substrate is fully colonized, it is time to fruit. Some people prefer to wait for a few pins, but i find this only adds more aborts to my first flush. My yields are better when fruited at 100% as well.

The key to a successful mono is passive FAE. You want to start by stuffing your polyfill properly.

For the bottom holes on your mono, it's simple: you'll want to stuff them very tightly to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom. Citric suggested this most excellent idea.

For the top holes, you want very loose polyfill.

Here's a quick pictorial on how I make perfect little puffballs for the top holes of my monos. It allows for good FAE and retains tons of humidity:

Spread a puffball flat on your palm, about a half inch thick at most.


Fold it in half.


Gently roll into a ball that is a bit larger than the hole itself. Use little or no pressure when rolling the ball between your hands. Should end up looking like this:


Gently insert it into the tub, don't stuff it in or anything, just push it through so it's almost falling out.



You will want to run a fan in the room. make sure it is stationary and facing near but not directly at the monotub(s). You do not want to feel any direct wind from the fan itself blowing on your tub(s). :thumbup:

Run the fan on low or medium. A good indicator of good FAE is a line of evaporation running down one or both sides of the tub from the top holes. The rest of the walls should be covered in condensation, except for small rings around the bottom holes.



If the walls dry up during the first flush, adjust your poly in the top holes and make sure your fan is not too close to the tubs. Mist the walls if they've dried up, do not mist the substrate however.

This should give you a great first flush in your monotubs :thumbup:

Here's a few examples of my own personal monotubs I've fruited using this method, these are just coir/verm and gypsum:





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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17381943 - 12/12/12 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So what you are showing is how to loosely fill the top holes, right, since you said to stuff the bottom holes tightly and the top holes loosely to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom?

My questions are how do you pack the bottom holes tightly, and what size are your holes?

I'm reading everything I can right now since my grain jars are colonized and I'm ready to start my first monotub. Lots of differing opinions. Just thought I'd find someone with some experience and do it that way rather than mix and match.

Thanks.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: El Mescalero]
    #17383467 - 12/12/12 11:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, same position, i t sounds super easy  but i end up with the polyfill not actually covering the whole whole, its like to thick, but has an opening not blocking anything. i'm an idiot!!! teach us frank!! :prettyflyforawhiteguy:


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: silos]
    #17383613 - 12/12/12 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, very convenient time to post. I'm colonizing my first mono right now and have the loosest polyfill puff balls you could possibly make stuffed in the bottom holes. I'll be re-stuffing with dense polyfill puff balls tomorrow. Thank you

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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus] * 1
    #17383693 - 12/13/12 12:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow, very convenient time to post. I'm colonizing my first mono right now and have the loosest polyfill puff balls you could possibly make stuffed in the bottom holes. I'll be re-stuffing with dense polyfill puff balls tomorrow. Thank you

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: ps118]
    #17383756 - 12/13/12 12:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




I have a trashbag rapped around the enitire monotub? The tek I followed: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

Which I'd like to point out is a very popular tek with a high success rate- Does not say anything about tape, or even a trashbag. OP just suggested that you "toss a blanket" over them while colonizing.

So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus]
    #17383793 - 12/13/12 12:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




I have a trashbag rapped around the enitire monotub? The tek I followed: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

Which I'd like to point out is a very popular tek with a high success rate- Does not say anything about tape, or even a trashbag. OP just suggested that you "toss a blanket" over them while colonizing.

So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.




If it is wrapped in a trashbag, that's one thing (which I don't do because I like to give my tubs light.) But polyfill in the open air gives way too much FAE, you want high CO2 during colonization. Any GE can be handled by the lid during colonization, as you pointed out.

If you're in a trash bag, you probably don't even need poly in the holes whatsoever but it couldn't hurt I suppose.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: b plus] * 3
    #17384591 - 12/13/12 08:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So why tape? I've taken it upon myself to rap a trashbag around the monotub to increase CO2 because many people recommend doing so, but if I were to tape holes, FAE would still occur at the seal of the lid and the container whereas a tied off trashbag contains the CO2 completely.



Wrong, the imperfect lid will provide the needed amount of GE(Gas Exchange), but should not allow for FAE(Fresh Air Exchange).

People used to think light was the reason you get side pins, but thats not the case, light is not a main pinning trigger.

People tape up the holes for colonization, so the CO2 levels are high, and then pack the holes with polyfill for fruiting, for FAE.

A trash bag can get puntured, which makes taping the holes worth it when wrapping the tub with a bag.

And you do not need to cover them with a blanket for colonization, light is beneficial to the growth of mycellium during all stages.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: ps118]
    #17384650 - 12/13/12 08:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If it is colonizing, you should NOT have polyfill, holes should be taped until full colonization.




There are many ways to milk a cat.
For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.
For fruiting the lower holes got somewhat tight (split up one ball from the upper hole and
stuff two lower holes with them) and the upper holes stay uncovered.
Works great in my environment.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun]
    #17384661 - 12/13/12 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.



Why tho? If the imperfect lid provides enough GE for everyone else, why would u use polyfill in the top holes for colonization?

I realize that if it's stuffed tight it shouldn't matter, but I just want your opinion on this.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: PussyFart] * 2
    #17384672 - 12/13/12 09:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun] * 3
    #17384678 - 12/13/12 09:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.



Ah, I see says the blind man to his deaf friend...now it makes sense, thanks!


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: stonesun] * 1
    #17386017 - 12/13/12 02:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So what you are showing is how to loosely fill the top holes, right, since you said to stuff the bottom holes tightly and the top holes loosely to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom?

My questions are how do you pack the bottom holes tightly, and what size are your holes?

Thanks.




Yes, I need to edit this a bit more with new pictures, but this is going to be re-named "how to stuff polyfill in your monotub" :lol:
For the bottom holes, I just roll together a big ol' ball and stuff it in from the outside. I push in the middle with my thumb(s) and get it to stick real well.
The upper puffballs I make very loose like I've shown. My holes on my tubs are all 1.5", four on the bottom at sub level and two on top :thumbup:
Good luck with your first mono!

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Because I stack my tubs for colonization,
pushing the lid down tightly on the lower tubs.




Interesting, I stack my tubs and I've tried both tight poly in the top holes and taping them all up. They both seem to work equally well for me :shrug:


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17390884 - 12/14/12 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: PussyFart]
    #17523753 - 01/09/13 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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For colonization I have the lower holes taped and the upper holes stuffed tightly
with polyfill.



Why tho? If the imperfect lid provides enough GE for everyone else, why would u use polyfill in the top holes for colonization?

I realize that if it's stuffed tight it shouldn't matter, but I just want your opinion on this.





I just posted a thread asking this very question. Glad I came across this


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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17523792 - 01/09/13 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: Yesum]
    #17524344 - 01/09/13 07:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How big are these holes? :P You should weigh the polyfil on a digital scale so we can follow this exactly. Heh, nah just jokin thanks for write up.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17764795 - 02/07/13 10:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

expanded and updated the OP, renamed it as well :lol:
hope this helps!


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17792427 - 02/12/13 09:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Added some pics of successful harvests I've had using this method to the OP.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17840010 - 02/21/13 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17840053 - 02/21/13 07:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: MrBreakingBad]
    #17840708 - 02/21/13 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Would you say these bottom holes look properly stuffed? They have the dry ring.

I didn't forget the pic this time. :facepalm:



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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17841294 - 02/21/13 12:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Would you say these bottom holes look properly stuffed? They have the dry ring.

I didn't forget the pic this time. :facepalm:






Stuff it tighter. As tight as you possibly can. Trust me :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17841352 - 02/21/13 12:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Would you say these bottom holes look properly stuffed? They have the dry ring.

I didn't forget the pic this time. :facepalm:






Stuff it tighter. As tight as you possibly can. Trust me :thumbup:




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17955381 - 03/14/13 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Stuff it tighter. As tight as you possibly can. Trust me :thumbup:



As tight as i can? God ! thats gonna be tight as sh**! :kidsmirk:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: MrMerlin]
    #17991050 - 03/21/13 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Had this linked wrong in my journal :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

It's been corrected.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18016829 - 03/26/13 10:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

sorry to bring this thread back frank, but how much did you yield there dry weight?? looks like you did a freaking good job...btw im following everything you do step by step. ur amazing bro, thanks for helping us rooks.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: BRB]
    #18046311 - 04/02/13 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sorry to bring this thread back frank, but how much did you yield there dry weight?? looks like you did a freaking good job...btw im following everything you do step by step. ur amazing bro, thanks for helping us rooks.




I'd be curious to know this, too.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: BRB]
    #18046476 - 04/02/13 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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BRB said:
sorry to bring this thread back frank, but how much did you yield there dry weight?? looks like you did a freaking good job...btw im following everything you do step by step. ur amazing bro, thanks for helping us rooks.




:thanx:
The first pic was 9.5oz dry first flush, one of my largest harvests ever :eek:
The PE tub was 8.5oz dry first flush.
The last two pics are of the same tub, that one was about 6oz dry first flush.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18047879 - 04/02/13 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, when did you get the TC Tag?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18047951 - 04/02/13 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

he got it the last few days, very well deserved.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: torkys]
    #18051499 - 04/03/13 09:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I run a small space heater fan in the room to keep temps up. Do you think this is enough air flow or should I add an additional fan?

This thread has helped me tremendously.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: ColdArmySoldier]
    #18096765 - 04/12/13 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So i just wanted to ask you a quick question. Im using that bouncy polly fill. I found z-manz pantie hoes balls tek. Is it possible to over stuff your holes? I stuffed them as tight as I possibly could, per some of your posts. The balls I made are super tight and just didnt want to block stagnate air from escaping my tubs.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: first time expert]
    #18096808 - 04/12/13 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The bottom holes cannot be stuffed too tightly IME, and I've really stuffed the shit out of some of them. Tighter the better :wink:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18096822 - 04/12/13 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok super tight it is!! Glad I dont have to remake my balls!! thanks


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: first time expert]
    #18117723 - 04/16/13 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the step by step, I am gonna follow your method for my bulk grow on 11 bags of GT that I noc'd 3 days ago with spores and are looking very nice indeed.  I did 12, but one got the sour smell next day. :cuss:  but thats a lot better than my first run, where my 30 jars contammed. :cuss::cuss::cuss:.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18149691 - 04/22/13 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The first pic was 9.5oz dry first flush, one of my largest harvests ever :eek:
The PE tub was 8.5oz dry first flush.
The last two pics are of the same tub, that one was about 6oz dry first flush.





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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: lvilledanksta]
    #18238476 - 05/09/13 02:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Frank, have a tub going right now and stuffed the bottom holes tightly as per this thread. Top holes are very loose. The box still doesn't seem to be getting the right FAE. There is an oscillating fan in the room and a ceiling fan. It's definitely not too dry, I can see water droplets on the sub and myc. There are a few pins that look a little stretchy and a few pins with the fuzzy myc feet.

Any advice on this? There's plenty of airflow in my room. Also, there is a somewhat fluffy chair that sits on top of my box (it applies the same weight another mono on top of this one might). If this changes how you're supposed to stuff the poly, i'd love to hear some tricks.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18239745 - 05/09/13 07:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I find that I can stuff those holes pretty damn tight. I back off a little. If you have condensation on the walls, then a dry ring around the polly is a good sign of FAE.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18239824 - 05/09/13 07:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that I can stuff those holes pretty damn tight. I back off a little. If you have condensation on the walls, then a dry ring around the polly is a good sign of FAE.



See, that's the thing. I do have the dry rings around my poly holes but there are still some pins that have the aerial myc. I've now taken all the polyfill out of one of the top holes so waiting to see how that goes.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18240801 - 05/09/13 10:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that I can stuff those holes pretty damn tight. I back off a little. If you have condensation on the walls, then a dry ring around the polly is a good sign of FAE.



See, that's the thing. I do have the dry rings around my poly holes but there are still some pins that have the aerial myc. I've now taken all the polyfill out of one of the top holes so waiting to see how that goes.



Are you not worried about contaminates?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18240826 - 05/09/13 10:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18240891 - 05/09/13 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that I can stuff those holes pretty damn tight. I back off a little. If you have condensation on the walls, then a dry ring around the polly is a good sign of FAE.



See, that's the thing. I do have the dry rings around my poly holes but there are still some pins that have the aerial myc. I've now taken all the polyfill out of one of the top holes so waiting to see how that goes.



Are you not worried about contaminates?



Not particularly. It's fully colonized and on the first flush. Frank says he fruits with one hole open sometimes as well and likes his results.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18240925 - 05/09/13 11:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

sounds like you know what you're doing bud. let us know how it works.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18242051 - 05/10/13 07:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey Frank, have a tub going right now and stuffed the bottom holes tightly as per this thread. Top holes are very loose. The box still doesn't seem to be getting the right FAE. There is an oscillating fan in the room and a ceiling fan. It's definitely not too dry, I can see water droplets on the sub and myc. There are a few pins that look a little stretchy and a few pins with the fuzzy myc feet.

Any advice on this? There's plenty of airflow in my room. Also, there is a somewhat fluffy chair that sits on top of my box (it applies the same weight another mono on top of this one might). If this changes how you're supposed to stuff the poly, i'd love to hear some tricks.




It sounds like you should give it some time, sometimes what you describe can be caused by genetics.  I stuff the bottom as tight as possible. You should never need to back off or loosen them up. You want your RH as high as possible at the surface of the substrate. I get the best results when I stuff them as tight as possible.

I would not worry about putting weight on the top of the tub. That'll increase your FAE a bit as well. However keep in mind that tiny droplets all over the surface is a good sign as is the condensation on the walls.

Basically like SJ said above, I only mess with the top. Take one hole out if you'd like to try it. But you can generally get amazing results with loose on both top holes, tight as hell on the bottom :derfase:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18244808 - 05/10/13 06:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It sounds like you should give it some time, sometimes what you describe can be caused by genetics.  I stuff the bottom as tight as possible. You should never need to back off or loosen them up. You want your RH as high as possible at the surface of the substrate. I get the best results when I stuff them as tight as possible.

I would not worry about putting weight on the top of the tub. That'll increase your FAE a bit as well. However keep in mind that tiny droplets all over the surface is a good sign as is the condensation on the walls.

Basically like SJ said above, I only mess with the top. Take one hole out if you'd like to try it. But you can generally get amazing results with loose on both top holes, tight as hell on the bottom :derfase:



Well watching it today, more of the small fruitbodies started getting the fuzzy myc growth at the base of them. There isn't much condensation on the inside of my tub. Not really sure what this means as I thought that was just a temperature differential between the inside and outside of the tub. Would the sub being too dry cause the fruitbodies to grow mycelium at the base? Other than that, they seem to be growing fine. Many, many tiny pins keep popping up and no fruitbodies seem to be aborting. I can upload pictures if that might help at all?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18250485 - 05/11/13 09:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Upload some pics but I think you're overthinking it :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18283072 - 05/18/13 10:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Frank,

Do you use a light for the tubs or just a normal room light? Also, what point in the process are you providing light? 12/12?

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Bangkok]
    #18283167 - 05/18/13 11:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm definitely going to utilize this method when I prepare my monotubs, great post.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Bangkok]
    #18289760 - 05/19/13 09:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you use a light for the tubs or just a normal room light? Also, what point in the process are you providing light? 12/12?

thanks




I used my ceiling light fixture for years, just two 13w 6500k (daylight) CFLs.

Light is provided when the tubs are fruited. I colonize them under a warm, thick blanket that lets little if any light through.  When they are fruited, then they get the 12/12 light cycle.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18337881 - 05/29/13 11:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Added a couple new pics to show what ideal airflow looks like on the walls of the monotub :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18371955 - 06/05/13 10:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I colonize them under a warm, thick blanket that lets little if any light through.


 

Hei mate

Thanks for a great thread. I wanted to ask why you colonize in total darkness. As i understand colonization is faster when light is introduced..


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: forestly]
    #18371963 - 06/05/13 10:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for a great thread. I wanted to ask why you colonize in total darkness. As i understand colonization is faster when light is introduced..




If it is, I haven't noticed it in my last 100 tubs :shrug:

I have noticed that colonization is faster when the heat the tubs produce is insulated a little bit with the blanket. Colonization time sits around 4-6 days for me now :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18417849 - 06/14/13 08:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When you are selecting tubs, do you go for taller tubs, or shorter tubs with a longer length and width.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #18417899 - 06/14/13 08:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I go for tall, rectangular and 60-100qts :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18418924 - 06/14/13 01:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OK.  I was more thinking along the lines of say you have 2 70 qt tubs, one taller and shorter lengthwise, and other shorter and longer lengthwise, you would pick the taller one?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18418946 - 06/14/13 01:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to thank you for your work frank. I've been reading over your stuff since i joined back after several years. I used this gem actually as part of my first grow. Come check it out soon I'm only a week or less away from spawning to bulk. Thanks again


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: UltimateAnswer]
    #18419260 - 06/14/13 03:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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OK.  I was more thinking along the lines of say you have 2 70 qt tubs, one taller and shorter lengthwise, and other shorter and longer lengthwise, you would pick the taller one?




I would go with the taller one :thumbup:

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Just wanted to thank you for your work frank. I've been reading over your stuff since i joined back after several years. I used this gem actually as part of my first grow. Come check it out soon I'm only a week or less away from spawning to bulk. Thanks again




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18434672 - 06/17/13 11:14 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Hey Frank, awesome guide! Thank you for all of them actually! :thumbup:

I followed this guide as best as I can. I followed your instruction for the top hole, and just packed the bottom one as tight as I possibly could.

This is what I ended up with:

A little bit hard to see... sorry. But it's got a ring around the top hole and connects to the ring around the bottom one.

Does that look ok or am I looking for more of an evaporation trail?

Also, I noticed that your tub has 2 holes on each long side, and then one top (FAE) hole each on the short sides (from what I can see anyway).

Your set up?                Mine
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O                  O      OO              OO
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---O-------O---        -------O-------

I have one bottom hole on each side, and the short sides have a top and lower holes. Is this ok or does this have a negative effect on air flow in the tub?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cave]
    #18436160 - 06/18/13 10:28 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

No problem!

:thanx:

It looks and sounds like you have it dialed in pretty good to start. From here on, it'll just be a matter of tweaking it depending on how your first harvest turns out.

When in doubt, the mushies will show you what they need :wink:

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18439457 - 06/18/13 09:19 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Ah, gotcha. I started a thread because I ended up with some small fruits. My pictures showed some myc rings around the bottom so several people chimed in and suggested that I loosened the bottom poly. I've done that now so hopefully, that improves my environment.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm sure you get a lot of recognition but I follow you guides like the bible haha  :rockon:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cave]
    #18439715 - 06/18/13 10:08 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

It won't.

You need to loosen your top and / or increase your fan speed, the bottom stay tight to retain RH and promote FAE only from the top.  IME your RH will actually decrease if you loosen the bottom holes.

Small fruits can also be genetics. Some varieties really tend towards smaller fruits in abundance.


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    #18440608 - 06/19/13 01:27 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Interesting, thanks.  I just started using a SAB / G2G so I'll just have to have some patience and isolate. Stupid genetics! :mushroom2:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cave]
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" How to cut tub holes without cracking the tub"

_pray to God, the angels, and ODB

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18444111 - 06/19/13 07:40 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

easy, use a hole saw, high speed drill, and go slow.  domt push thru, let the drill do the work, not your arms.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a boss [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18467215 - 06/24/13 08:32 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

what i don't understand is how are you fruiting a bulk tek on top of the perlite I just see in a few of the shots the perlite and the mushrooms growing but do you put a separate container inside the perlite tub or what? Nice flushes btw


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    #18467231 - 06/24/13 08:34 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

There is no perlite, it is a monotub, not an SGFC :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18468951 - 06/25/13 08:36 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

yea so how are you casing your mushrooms with perlite or having the mushrooms grow through the perlite ive never seen that before


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    #18468956 - 06/25/13 08:38 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Perlite is only used to humidify a SGFC, and not a monotub.

Bulk substrates go in monotubs, and usually do not require casing layers.


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    #18474006 - 06/26/13 10:02 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

yes but why is this fellas mushrooms growing out of perlite never have seen that before


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    #18474015 - 06/26/13 10:03 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

you had mushrooms growing out of perlite what was that about? O_o


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    #18474026 - 06/26/13 10:07 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

What the hell are you talking about?

This is my thread with my pictures. There is no perlite in the tubs pictured.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a boss [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18474239 - 06/26/13 10:59 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

4 times might do the trick....


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    #18517497 - 07/05/13 06:41 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Would it be unwise to go ahead, stuff the polyfill and then put duct tape over it during colonization? then remove the tape when its time to fruit? I ask because i just did that exact thing lol


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Nvm guys I just went ahead and removed the polyfill and immediately covered with duct tape


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: KingCloyster]
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what size are the holes?


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is the fan running 24/7?


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    #18572609 - 07/17/13 06:03 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

This is basically what I do but I dont punch holes or use polyfill and I have never had such healthy flushes.

try a grow with no holes and the lid on skewed about 1/2" on 2 opposing corners, it will require a 'light' misting each morning but no fanning required.
an additional plus is, in theory you could use a opaque tub for stealth that would be completely inconspicuous with less effort and you can store it in a corner.


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    #18580868 - 07/19/13 01:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I got a question for you brother Frank. Why do you put 4 holes on the bottom of your tubes but only 2 hols on the top? I would think 4 holes to match on top would make more FAE and that's what you want. Then I look at your finished tubs and see you have this down to a science. Could you explain why 2 is better then 4 on the top half of a mono?

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    #18613144 - 07/26/13 02:02 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I got a question for you brother Frank. Why do you put 4 holes on the bottom of your tubes but only 2 hols on the top? I would think 4 holes to match on top would make more FAE and that's what you want. Then I look at your finished tubs and see you have this down to a science. Could you explain why 2 is better then 4 on the top half of a mono?

Thanks brother  :bow2:



I am not Frank, but from my experiments I have found often times 4top holes leads to drying out of my tubs in my grow environment. It really all depends on the RH of the room your tubs are in I would imagine along with airflow in the room, how tight a seal the lid makes, temps, how much H2) is in your sub and probably a few hundred other things.  If I woll add a hole or 2 sometimes if I have a tub that is constantly swampy and I am getting mad fuzzy feet and molding.


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    #18618091 - 07/27/13 01:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

That third picture is like a rainforest of mushrooms!
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    #18646926 - 08/01/13 11:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I got a question for you brother Frank. Why do you put 4 holes on the bottom of your tubes but only 2 hols on the top? I would think 4 holes to match on top would make more FAE and that's what you want. Then I look at your finished tubs and see you have this down to a science. Could you explain why 2 is better then 4 on the top half of a mono?

Thanks brother  :bow2:



I am not Frank, but from my experiments I have found often times 4top holes leads to drying out of my tubs in my grow environment. It really all depends on the RH of the room your tubs are in I would imagine along with airflow in the room, how tight a seal the lid makes, temps, how much H2) is in your sub and probably a few hundred other things.  If I woll add a hole or 2 sometimes if I have a tub that is constantly swampy and I am getting mad fuzzy feet and molding.




What does fuzzy feet look like? I think I may have had this problem in the past. I've even had cubes grow upside down.  Are people not rocking the perlite style grows anymore?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
    #18658197 - 08/04/13 10:44 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Frank, sorry to raise this thread its probably been dead for a while. xD but anyways, so you really stuff the bottom holes as tight as possible? and how do you feel about no poly in the top holes? or at least one completely open. Im just cruious because i didnt stuff my bottom holes like super tight and still had fuzzy feet? any advice/suggestions?


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    #18658263 - 08/04/13 10:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

This is the thread that never dies :lol:

The last post was two days ago, but even still feel free to bump any of my writeups or projects with questions, I'm always around.

Fuzzy feet can be genetic, HOWEVER...you can still reduce it with good conditions.

I do stuff the bottom holes as tight as possible. The top holes can be loosely stuffed, one left open, or both left open. You want to run a fan pointed near the tubs but not blowing air directly on them.

When the holes on the bottom are stuffed tight, there is some resistance to air moving in or out of them. Air will move through the top holes primarily and sort of "trickle" out the bottom holes due to the currents created by the fan.

This retains high RH at the surface while providing proper FAE at the same time.

You have to keep in mind that the RH and FAE of a monotub are directly correlated. I find that even in 50-60% ambient RH, I have to mist every so often if I fruit with both top holes open.

If you don't mind misting, do it! it will take a bit of practice for sure.

I don't recommend open top holes to newcomers because performance and upkeep vary greatly based on your room humidity levels. However, I will tell you that all of my tubs get fruited with at least one top hole open at all times.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18658346 - 08/04/13 11:23 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Alright thanks for the quick response! I have 12 jars almost ready to be birthed so i'm gonna put my faith in you and do exactly as you say haha :smile: stuff the bottom ones super tight. I usually only do one hole open thouhg when i tried 2 top holes open my tub dried out within 2 days even with misting. One hole open seemed to need 1-2 mistings a day which is totally doable. My grow is in a closet (can fit 4 66qt tubs) so I keep my fan facing the wall away from the tubs, oscillating, so the tubs get like the rebound breeze lol I always thought really tight holes at the bottom would hinder fae for some reason and just make a lot of co2 down there. Also, DEFINITELY didnt know fuzzy feet could be genetic lol thought it was completely environmental :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: vaneazy]
    #18660082 - 08/04/13 06:49 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Grain dunk via Frank's tek, 4 days later ready to fruit!  Gotta love it.  Now that I am trying my fist mono, gotta try Frank's advice on dialing in the tub.

I fruited yesterday morning and I have a small ring around one of my top holes where I have loosely stuffed polly, and only 1 small ring around 1 bottom hole where its stuffed tightly. 

I have a fan on low pointed at the wall directly next to the tub. 

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cheesyincident]
    #18688306 - 08/10/13 07:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the rec frank; easy to employ in monos moving forward :smile:


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    #18701203 - 08/13/13 07:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Not too bad...fruits are small though.  Any ideas why besides genetics?



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Those just arn't done growing yet. Give it 2-3 days. You look to have some nice ones coming.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cheesyincident]
    #18701818 - 08/13/13 09:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

will this work better with PF jars?
im about to start a grow.
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    #18701867 - 08/13/13 09:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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this looks like it keep humidity better then the SG tek



If you are talking about the shotgun fruiting chamber, then they are both good at keeping in huimidity.

If you plan on doing cakes, then go with the SGFC.

If you want to go bulk, monotub takes the cake.

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No one uses cotton, we use synthetic polyester pillow stuffing, or polyfill.

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    #18763527 - 08/27/13 11:43 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

hey frank, why do you say not to mist the substrate? when i mist, i generally mist the substrate most then just enough sprays to get the walls/lid wet xD


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    #18763546 - 08/27/13 11:48 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Because IMO a properly dialed-in monotub will perform better with no misting at all on the first flush.

It's very easy to go overboard, especially for first-timers, and then all their fruits mature very small.

All the flushes you've seen on my threads, they all had no misting or fanning on the first flush.

I keep conditions and evaporation consistent throughout the first flush and the harvests speak for themselves I'd say.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18763565 - 08/27/13 11:53 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Are those isolates in the OP?  The canopy looks so even.


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    #18763588 - 08/27/13 11:59 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

They are clones, not true isolates.

Those are older pictures, I now have a small library of about 40 different good-fruiting isolates on slants.

Here are some of my more recent MS grows, these are PE in a monotub with a casing layer applied:

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    #18763601 - 08/27/13 12:02 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Nice dicks :trippinbawelz:.

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    #18763613 - 08/27/13 12:06 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I always use agar, even for MS.

Well it is technically MS but there was one transfer taken from the original plate for each culture.

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    #18763670 - 08/27/13 12:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I just go with GLC.  Put the tiniest drop of solution in half-full half pint, if that grows out clean then I load it up with sterile water and use that.  Seems to have worked pretty well for me when needed.


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It will until it doesn't :shrug:

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    #18763770 - 08/27/13 12:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If I could get agar to work I would use it but I've never been successful with it.  Maybe I'll give it another try working with some live tissue cultures/colonized grain. 


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    #18764783 - 08/27/13 04:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

My monotub looks like this



its colonizing right now so i have all the holes covered with duct tape

when fruiting do i remove the tape from the bottom holes then stuff polyfil into the top holes? OR Should i stuff the bottom holes with polyfil also along with the top?


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    #18764801 - 08/27/13 04:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

It will all depend on your climate, but it would probably be best to have them all stuffed, tighter on the bottom, looser on the top.


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    #18764814 - 08/27/13 04:37 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanx i've been wondering this for a while!

My climate- i live it the southeast it stays around 80 during day and 70 at night i have my monotubs in a treehouse with 3 windows open all the time and a small fan above the window running 24/7


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18764821 - 08/27/13 04:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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It will all depend on your climate, but it would probably be best to have them all stuffed, tighter on the bottom, looser on the top.




What are you talking about? :facepalm:

Stop that.

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My monotub looks like this



its colonizing right now so i have all the holes covered with duct tape

when fruiting do i remove the tape from the bottom holes then stuff polyfil into the top holes? OR Should i stuff the bottom holes with polyfil also along with the top?





What size are all those holes?

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18764871 - 08/27/13 04:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Stop what Frank?  Would you at least correct me if I'm wrong?

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Thanx i've been wondering this for a while!

My climate- i live it the southeast it stays around 80 during day and 70 at night i have my monotubs in a treehouse with 3 windows open all the time and a small fan above the window running 24/7





I would answer you but I may be wrong... Let's see what Frank has to say.


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    #18764874 - 08/27/13 04:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

the top holes are 2 and 1/8 and for the bottom i dont know the exact measurement but the tip of my pinky can fit in them


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18764900 - 08/27/13 04:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I'm about to.

First I need to know what size holes those are.

At the risk of sounding territorial, this is my thread. I don't want to correct anyone here who isn't asking me something or pointing out something I can do better with my tek (both perfectly legitimate) :shrug:

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the top holes are 2 and 1/8 and for the bottom i dont know the exact measurement but the tip of my pinky can fit in them




That's weird...I don't think that will work too well.

You're going to be getting all your FAE at the bottom where it will kill your humidity and dry up the substrate too quickly. You'll be misting all the time.

Is that tub under 100quarts? I would tape the holes up that you have. Drill two 1.5" holes at 4" from the bottom on the long sides. Drill one 2" hole at the top of each short side.

Then you can stuff the bottom tightly and the top loose.  The bigger holes on top will provide more FAE and can be adjusted as needed for RH vs FAE issues.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18764915 - 08/27/13 04:59 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

the tub is 64 quarts


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18764924 - 08/27/13 05:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I would certainly re-do it for optimal results.

It'll take ten minutes :wink:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18764954 - 08/27/13 05:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

, so your saying just leave the top holes and bottom holes i already have taped? and just drill 2 1.5" holes 4 inches from the bottom on each side, and then on the short side at the top 2 inches? and just use the new holes and leave the other ones taped?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18764964 - 08/27/13 05:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yep.

Just put duct tape over both sides of the old holes. Problem solved :thumbup:


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    #18764970 - 08/27/13 05:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18764990 - 08/27/13 05:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Frank, interested in your advice for the holes and polyfill for where I live - ambient RH can be as low 6-10% at times. What is the best way to manage RH vs FAE? It is hard to get the FAE up while preserving RH.

Should I just mist more?

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18765044 - 08/27/13 05:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

This is a public forum, and he obviously hasn't built a monotub according to your specs.  I'm not trying to steal any of your thunder, but if you want a private "ask Frank anything" thread you can put one up in your journal.  I understand your contributions to the community, but you're not the first person to stuff poly in your mono holes.

I'm really not trying to show disrespect, but this is a community where we are all coming together to share our perspective on how to grow mushrooms.  We come here, share ideas, discuss techniques, and make improvements in the hobby for everybody in the future.

Doc T likes hybrid tubs, stonesun said he doesn't always stuff the top of his monos, others have tried new ideas and have had success, others have failed miserably.  You're a TC, what you say is obviously already going to hold more clout than what I say, so there is no need to be "territorial" of your thread.  But if that is the way that you want it to be, I'll steer clear from posting in your threads from now on.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18765151 - 08/27/13 06:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a public forum, and he obviously hasn't built a monotub according to your specs.  I'm not trying to steal any of your thunder, but if you want a private "ask Frank anything" thread you can put one up in your journal.  I understand your contributions to the community, but you're not the first person to stuff poly in your mono holes.

I'm really not trying to show disrespect, but this is a community where we are all coming together to share our perspective on how to grow mushrooms.  We come here, share ideas, discuss techniques, and make improvements in the hobby for everybody in the future.

Doc T likes hybrid tubs, stonesun said he doesn't always stuff the top of his monos, others have tried new ideas and have had success, others have failed miserably.  You're a TC, what you say is obviously already going to hold more clout than what I say, so there is no need to be "territorial" of your thread.  But if that is the way that you want it to be, I'll steer clear from posting in your threads from now on.




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    #18765434 - 08/27/13 07:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I'll steer clear from posting in your threads from now on.




:shrug:

If that's how you wanna be, playing the "victimized, earnest helper" card like that...well, see ya later :bye:

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[Mush4Brains] answer is correct is it not?




No, it was not.



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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: budkatz]
    #18765451 - 08/27/13 07:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Now back to addressing the actual questions in the thread:

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fuck yea thanx frank! finally some answers to my probs!




:goodluck:

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Frank, interested in your advice for the holes and polyfill for where I live - ambient RH can be as low 6-10% at times. What is the best way to manage RH vs FAE? It is hard to get the FAE up while preserving RH.

Should I just mist more?

Thanks in advance for your advice.




You can mist more if the tub is drying up.

Stuff the poly a little tighter on the top holes.

Or, what I do is run a humidifier in the grow room.  This will help a lot if your RH is that low.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18765517 - 08/27/13 07:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Mush4Brains... tf is the problem? damn.

Frank has earned the ability to give advice, and correct bad advice where it is given. Don't get butthurt about the correction, this is HIS thread originally.

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Now back to addressing the actual questions in the thread:

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Frank, interested in your advice for the holes and polyfill for where I live - ambient RH can be as low 6-10% at times. What is the best way to manage RH vs FAE? It is hard to get the FAE up while preserving RH.

Should I just mist more?

Thanks in advance for your advice.




You can mist more if the tub is drying up.

Stuff the poly a little tighter on the top holes.

Or, what I do is run a humidifier in the grow room.  This will help a lot if your RH is that low.




I'd just like to add you can help stimulate pinning (when it comes time) by allowing the substrate surface to dry up and then mist to rehydrate. They love evaporation and the simple lift of the lid and spray of the mister is about all the FAE the tub should need. Provided this is done a few times a day.


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    #18765581 - 08/27/13 07:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone post here looking for opinions from other members? Is it safe to assume you all are asking me these questions?

Just curious :wink:




Frank, I always value the hell out of your opinion and I think that of all the TCs out there, you've probably done the most for making this hobby accessible at the bulk level.  Your beginning-to-end approach is invaluable, your explanations are clear, and they make easily available a lot of knowledge that is only available through an eye-bleeding amount of lurking.

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    #18765618 - 08/27/13 08:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Like I said in an earlier post tonight, if we have differing opinions, please let me know. You'll see plenty of great discussion with all matter of differing opinions throughout every one of my threads.

It takes quite the heated debate before I shut that down.

But me and M4B weren't debating.

He gave wrong info which I needed to correct.

He did not know the answer, having never run a tub like that. So his speculation was completely unfounded and yet he passed it off as fact.

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    #18765743 - 08/27/13 08:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I'll steer clear from posting in your threads from now on.




:shrug:

If that's how you wanna be, playing the "victimized, earnest helper" card like that...well, see ya later :bye:

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[Mush4Brains] answer is correct is it not?




No, it was not.



Does anyone post here looking for opinions from other members? Is it safe to assume you all are asking me these questions?

Just curious :wink:




I'm not playing a victim.  You're the one who felt the need to show control over your "territory."

You still haven't explained why my answer is incorrect.  In fact, your answer saying that the substrate level would be receiving too much FAE seems to support my solution.  Would plugging the bottom holes tight with poly not help alleviate that problem?


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    #18765767 - 08/27/13 08:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

No man, you can spin it how you like but this is how it went down:

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Like I said in an earlier post tonight, if we have differing opinions, please let me know. You'll see plenty of great discussion with all matter of differing opinions throughout every one of my threads.

It takes quite the heated debate before I shut that down.

But me and M4B weren't debating.

He gave wrong info which I needed to correct.

He didn't know the answer, having never run a tub like that. So his speculation was completely unfounded and yet he passed it off as fact.

Which, throughout my own threads, has been my pet peeve.





Stuffing poly in tiny holes does not work like you would think, it's going to suffocate them. With that many holes he is better off not using a weird setup like that in the first place, which is what I said to him and he agreed.

The person's question was answered and he thanked me.

Besides, it was me he asked :shrug:

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    #18766077 - 08/27/13 09:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I agree! you def answered my question and i like how it was a straight forward answer and i am grateful for that! beats reading and reading only to get thrown around in circles



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Thanks. Wasn't sure about misting too much. Will try it. Sort of a balancing act with the low RH here.


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    #18769168 - 08/28/13 04:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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And yes, I post in Frank's thread hoping Frank has time to chime in. I'd start a new thread otherwise.




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Thanks. Wasn't sure about misting too much. Will try it. Sort of a balancing act with the low RH here.




Yeah, just listen to Frank:

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You can mist more if the tub is drying up.

Stuff the poly a little tighter on the top holes.

Or, what I do is run a humidifier in the grow room.  This will help a lot if your RH is that low.




I understand if you might not have access to a humidifier to run in the room, but that is something that could help you not have to mist so often.

If you can't run a humidifier then just stuff the holes a bit tighter on top so you're not losing so much humidity so fast. This should help to reduce the amount of times you'll have to mist, as well.

Just don't spray the mister to where it might bruise the substrate, it can slow growth rate and injure/quite possibly kill baby pins. As seen in the grow in my sig. It depends how fine your mister is, but simply increasing the space the  water has to travel to meet the substrate will help to make it more gentle. It's as simple as putting your tubs on the ground and misting them from above.. which is what I do.

Read what RR has to say in the middle picture of my sig. It should help add value to what Frank and I are saying.

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To chime in  :2cents:  which is worth a whole lotta  :cuteshit:, I have followed franks tek since the beginning and have not been steered wrong by him and to come on HIS thread and argue after he gives nothing but good advice is petty.  Trying to call him out and make him look like an asshole and just a bitch move.


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    #18804243 - 09/05/13 05:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

First off, thanks for the great writeups, Frank.

I'd like to know if more consensus has developed around the timing to pull tape and stuff polyfill. Frank suggests to do so once it appears 100% colonized, but I've read many times elsewhere that others will give a few days of consolidation time and even wait until pins develop. At least one TC (TranscendingLife) advocates this.

Some say that consolidation benefits the mycelium as it's still getting ready for fruiting mode. On the other hand, I can see how going right into FAE and increased evaporation could initiate rapid pinning.

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    #18836200 - 09/13/13 09:43 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I have just read through all of these how you get things done links and found them very informative.  I am planning on building my first monotub in a few days and just had a few questions.  Do you recommend a certain amount/size/placement for the holes, and it seems like you don't case your substrate or do you and I just missed that.  I appreciate the write up and any additional help.  Thx


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Cb411]
    #18836214 - 09/13/13 09:46 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Refer to this for instructions on building.

You don't see casing because it's not necessary with cubes.

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    #18837075 - 09/13/13 01:55 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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First off, thanks for the great writeups, Frank.

I'd like to know if more consensus has developed around the timing to pull tape and stuff polyfill. Frank suggests to do so once it appears 100% colonized, but I've read many times elsewhere that others will give a few days of consolidation time and even wait until pins develop. At least one TC (TranscendingLife) advocates this.

Some say that consolidation benefits the mycelium as it's still getting ready for fruiting mode. On the other hand, I can see how going right into FAE and increased evaporation could initiate rapid pinning.

Obviously, both methods have worked for people. So I wonder if it's six of one, half dozen of the other, or if there's a prevailing argument out there.




I know that many people's opinions have changed over time with this.

It does work both ways.

My two cents on the practical application of consolidating bulk is this:

When I'm fruiting my tubs, I try to avoid aborts whenever possible. I hate the little fuckers, taking up space on my substrate and failing to mature into the beautiful mushroom I know they could be.

Back when I first started working with tubs a lot, I did consolidate everything. The pinsets could end up being quite massive!

But come harvest time, I would find a shitload of my pretty pinset aborted. That sucks.

When colonizing your tub, the RH is near 100%.

Your mycelium needs this (and high CO2 levels) to grow rapidly while it consumes the available substrate. After 100% colonization, the mycelium realizes it has no more food available to it and starts trying to pin. This process of going from "ready" to "pinning" takes a few days to a week depending on what you are working with.

Here is my theory:

By keeping the colonizing conditions (100% RH and high CO2) when your tub is starting to knot up, you are essentially "tricking" the mycelium into thinking that 100% RH and high CO2 levels are what it has to work with.

When you change this abruptly (at the sight of pins, for example) you are going to be making the conditions less ideal for the pinset that has been produced. That leads to a larger number of aborts.

You can certainly get a larger pinset when you consolidate your tubs. I don't have any doubt. 

But I've said it before, a larger pinset is not necessarily a better pinset.

For these reasons, I choose to give it fresh air as soon as it is 100% colonized. By doing this I introduce my mycelium to its fruiting conditions as soon as possible. so that it can be "accustomed" to them and fruit as well as it can with what it has got. I hope this makes sense :thumbup:

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Refer to this for instructions on building.

You don't see casing because it's not necessary with cubes.




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I would refer to this for your answer, cb411. I have not gotten around to building my tub tek.

I would only recommend a casing layer if you are fruiting in a greenhouse or if you are growing penis envy variants.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18838012 - 09/13/13 06:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks great write up learned a lot much appreciated


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18852546 - 09/17/13 07:07 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Frank, what are your thoughts on dunking the sub?  I've had an uneven pinset from the beginning so I'm not sure which flush I'm on...could be 1-2-or 3 but I've had some nice results (for a MS noob :headbang:) since the heat wave passed.  Harvested everything and will probably have 3 or 4 dried oz when the dehydrator is finished doing its thing.

The sub still looks and smells great and is producing condensation though not as much as the beginning (when it was dripping down the sides).  It's been in fruiting conditions for 17 days, but I think it has some more life left in it.

My main question is what do I do with the liner when I dunk?  Just leave it as it is?  Get rid of it and put a fresh one in?  I made a mistake and pulled back the liner from the sub a bit in some areas to harvest a few edge fruits earlier and then I had a bumper crop of side fruits that were the largest I have ever seen.  Let most of them mature but some were way down in there and produced thick mangled blob fruits that are kind of interesting, ropey consistency, and yeah pretty packed full of magic.  This isn't a great pic but it kinda gives you an idea of what happened:



And here it is in it's minor glory.  small fruits but it's been a great learning experience for me  and exceeded my expectations...I thought the thing would be green by now:grin:




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: druranium]
    #18910003 - 09/30/13 05:15 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, am I supposed to have dry rings around my bottom holes?
I don't have any problems working with my polyfill, so I dont know if I'm doing it right :tongue2:

I have to really pull and push to get the poly to stick in there,
but today I noticed on my Otto-inspired bucket o'fungus that I have a dry line going upwards from my bottom holes.
The poly itself is easy to shape. The next step would be using tools to
push in the poly..too tight?

I used 4x 3/4" holes on the bottom and two slightly larger (1") top holes.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: druranium]
    #18910471 - 09/30/13 09:06 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey Frank, what are your thoughts on dunking the sub?  I've had an uneven pinset from the beginning so I'm not sure which flush I'm on...could be 1-2-or 3 but I've had some nice results (for a MS noob :headbang:) since the heat wave passed.  Harvested everything and will probably have 3 or 4 dried oz when the dehydrator is finished doing its thing.

The sub still looks and smells great and is producing condensation though not as much as the beginning (when it was dripping down the sides).  It's been in fruiting conditions for 17 days, but I think it has some more life left in it.

My main question is what do I do with the liner when I dunk?  Just leave it as it is?  Get rid of it and put a fresh one in?  I made a mistake and pulled back the liner from the sub a bit in some areas to harvest a few edge fruits earlier and then I had a bumper crop of side fruits that were the largest I have ever seen.  Let most of them mature but some were way down in there and produced thick mangled blob fruits that are kind of interesting, ropey consistency, and yeah pretty packed full of magic.  This isn't a great pic but it kinda gives you an idea of what happened:

And here it is in it's minor glory.  small fruits but it's been a great learning experience for me  and exceeded my expectations...I thought the thing would be green by now:grin:

Thanks again for your awesome guides they really helped me to understand and implement the process!




I think Frank missed this question, considering it's been almost two weeks. He's a busy guy, and I'm sure he didn't mean to ignore you. I'll try and help you out.

If you have 3 or 4 dried ounces and you haven't made an attempt to dunk yet... :thumbup: That's awesome! Your sub should definitely have some life in it. At 17 days you're likely moving out of flush 2 now and your next will be flush 3. What I'd try to do, if I were you, would be to dunk before the 3rd flush. This is generally what I try to do and when I have noticed is the best time to dunk. Although, I found my poo substrates can go an extra flush (through the third) before dunking sometimes, but my coir/verm substrates seem to dry up much more rapidly.

When the sub has spent a lot of its water supply, you can tell by simply lifting the tub and judging how much the weight has changed. Some people even use this strategy to their advantage by actually using the harvest weight (wet weight) of the shrooms, multiply by 9/10, and add that amount of water back to the substrate. This makes sense based on the fact that shrooms are approximately 90% water weight.

Ex: 280g wet weight x 9/10 = 252, so you want to replace the substrate with 252g of water. Meaning you came out with about 28g of dried mushrooms, or 1/10 the wet weight.

Have you gone over your dunk procedures? How do you plan to dunk? My favorite way to dunk in a monotub is to drill a small hole in the bottom of the tub, on one of the corners, and plug it with some type of cork. (I use a joint filter, which works surprisingly well as long as the hole is small enough) Just fill the monotub up with water until the substrate almost wants to float, but doesn't quite do so, set the lid back on and forget about it for a couple hours. I generally dunk for about 4 hours at a time, but have heard people dunking for many different times from 1-12 hours. You'll have to find what works for you. When the time is up, just unplug the cork and let the water drain. This way helps me because it leaves little invitation for contamination.

Now to the liner. Your liner is going to separate from the sides of the substrate eventually, there's no stopping that. Over time your substrate will shrink as it loses nutrients, and the liner is no longer going to help too much on the sides of the substrate. This is fine though because as your substrate shrinks, it becomes easier and easier to harvest mushrooms from the side. The MAIN thing your liner is doing is hopefully preventing bottom pins... those are a bitch and more trouble than they're worth IMO.

Don't replace your liner, it won't do any good. Just keep the same liner you have and ride it out. If you replace the liner, you're going to create a perfect microclimate on the bottom of the substrate which is essentially what the original liner is trying to prevent! Because of the way the substrate is "stuck" to the original liner, there is no exchange of fresh air on the bottom of the substrate.

I hope I could help, without intruding.

Awesome pictures btw! :thumbup: (I removed them in this post for sake of space)


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: druranium]
    #18912299 - 09/30/13 05:45 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey Frank, what are your thoughts on dunking the sub?  I've had an uneven pinset from the beginning so I'm not sure which flush I'm on...could be 1-2-or 3 but I've had some nice results (for a MS noob :headbang:) since the heat wave passed.  Harvested everything and will probably have 3 or 4 dried oz when the dehydrator is finished doing its thing.

The sub still looks and smells great and is producing condensation though not as much as the beginning (when it was dripping down the sides).  It's been in fruiting conditions for 17 days, but I think it has some more life left in it.

My main question is what do I do with the liner when I dunk?  Just leave it as it is?  Get rid of it and put a fresh one in?




I recommend leaving the liner as is.

I don't "dunk" the tub, but if my substrate is particularly dry then I will do this:

Pull liner back on the sides, pour small pitcher of water around the until it comes up about halfway on the sub. Let this soak for 4 hours, then drain it by tilting the tub sideways carefully.

I usually don't do this any more, I prefer to just mist and fan once every couple of days after the first flush.

The liner can stay, I've never swapped a liner in my life :shrug:

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18935902 - 10/05/13 12:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, another dial-in question:
The surface of my myc dries up before 1 flush, so I have to mist it.
But still, I got aerial myc that "melts" away when I mist it.

Isn't aerial myc a sign of too little FAE?
Still, the surface dries up to the point it doesn't glisten anymore.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: spacechildo]
    #18971334 - 10/13/13 07:56 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

well looks like ima start growing again


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    #18971528 - 10/13/13 09:43 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, another dial-in question:
The surface of my myc dries up before 1 flush, so I have to mist it.
But still, I got aerial myc that "melts" away when I mist it.

Isn't aerial myc a sign of too little FAE?
Still, the surface dries up to the point it doesn't glisten anymore.

How can this correlate and happen at the same time?




I've never had a tub dry out on the surface before the first flush. There is always little water drops on the surface all the way through the first flush

1. How big are the holes in your tub?

2.Do  you have the bottom holes packed tightly with polyfill? 

3. How deep is the substrate in your tub?

4. How long is your tub taking to colonize?

5. How long after full colonization before you see pins?

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Stromrider]
    #18971583 - 10/13/13 09:58 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

1: 1 inch bottom holes, 1,5 inch top holes
2: as tight as I could, there is 1/4" dry rings around bottom holes. Stuff them tighter?
3: 3 inches
4: it took 7 days, ended up being 1,5 : 1 spawn:sub ratio :shocked:
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: spacechildo]
    #18971597 - 10/13/13 10:03 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Everything sounds perfect :shrug: I don't know unless maybe you have a ridiculously dry rh in the room you're fruiting in. In which case you could run a humidifier in there. I run a humidifier 24/7 in the room with my tubs. The window unit air conditioning unit drys out the air in there really bad in the summer and my woodstove drys out the air in the winter


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Stromrider]
    #18971638 - 10/13/13 10:17 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I live in a cold northern climate, 63,50 latitude.
The air gets drier during the winter time iirc, so you might be onto something here.

Another thing I've thought of is that I hate the cold, so I barely have any windows open when it's this cold.

Maybe my FAE just ain't that fresh? After all it's not called stale air reflux :P


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    #18971657 - 10/13/13 10:24 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Stale air reflux :lol:


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    #18971682 - 10/13/13 10:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

stale might not be the right term, meant something along the lines of "air of poor quality". Like the smell of your bedroom when you wake up after a night out :wink:


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    #18971692 - 10/13/13 10:34 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know what you meant :thumbup:


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    #18971747 - 10/13/13 10:52 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I know what you meant :thumbup:



Good! :thumbup:
I thought I maybe had a facepalm moment, because stale fluctuating air sounds rather contradictory.

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    #18971798 - 10/13/13 11:08 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, another dial-in question:
The surface of my myc dries up before 1 flush, so I have to mist it.
But still, I got aerial myc that "melts" away when I mist it.

Isn't aerial myc a sign of too little FAE?
Still, the surface dries up to the point it doesn't glisten anymore.

How can this correlate and happen at the same time?





Mistaken identity is a possible correlation. Sometimes contamination is mistaken for aerial mycelium.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18302534#18302534
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There are better and more telling signs of lack of FAE than aerial myc. I find aerial myc has more to do with genetics and (in the case of cakes) consolidation time.




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18971857 - 10/13/13 11:25 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The fruits also had some decent fuzziness on their feet.
I figured it most likely came from too little fae, and tried to tweak the poly and fan.
Only ended up drying out the top of the substrate.
Maybe it's all genetics? And that these genetics demanded extreme amounts of fae?
And that my air is either not fresh enough, or too dry?

It just doesn't make sense to me considering a mono should be set'n'forget.


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    #18971986 - 10/13/13 12:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Well they're not totally set and forget. We say set and forget mainly because you don't have to mist and fan them. You have to get it properly dialed in and how you do this can vary depending on factors of your environment. You have to learn how to read the tub and adjust your polyfill and airflow accordingly


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Stromrider]
    #18976751 - 10/14/13 01:56 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Frank I have issue with this
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.      For the bottom holes on your mono, it's simple: you'll want to stuff them very tightly to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom.





Knowing that your sub produces heat and heat rises, this air should be exiting out of the top effectively pulling air in through the bottom holes.

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    #18976861 - 10/14/13 02:23 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

A fan is running in the room :thumbup:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18977049 - 10/14/13 03:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Still seems like fae should enter at the lower holes and exit out the top. Meh if it works it works.

Quick question, they didn't have my normal tubs so I had to go with one slightly shorter lenghtwise but a tad wider and taller.  My usual is a 90qt and this is a 105, do you really think the usual amount of holes will be sufficient or should I modify a tad? I normally run 2in holes.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: maddchef]
    #18977111 - 10/14/13 03:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I use the 105 quart atm, my only complaint on these units is the bottom isn't completely flat and the sub cracks if you move them around.

I go for the holes in four corners of the lid, with tyvek filter covering. I got sick of wads of polyfil falling in the tub... U use a smalk soup can heated up by fire (wearing a glove) and heat-poke perfect holes strategically. I like a 2.5 to 3 inch sub, so I add 3 holes on each side an inch above that and cover with tyvek.

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    #18977240 - 10/14/13 03:47 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Still seems like fae should enter at the lower holes and exit out the top. Meh if it works it works.

Quick question, they didn't have my normal tubs so I had to go with one slightly shorter lenghtwise but a tad wider and taller.  My usual is a 90qt and this is a 105, do you really think the usual amount of holes will be sufficient or should I modify a tad? I normally run 2in holes.




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18977363 - 10/14/13 04:20 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I might add an extra hole with the option to always cover it back up. Thanks. A lot more volume of air to be moved/displaced.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18977389 - 10/14/13 04:27 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Personally I use the 105 quart atm, my only complaint on these units is the bottom isn't completely flat and the sub cracks if you move them around.

I go for the holes in four corners of the lid, with tyvek filter covering. I got sick of wads of polyfil falling in the tub... U use a smalk soup can heated up by fire (wearing a glove) and heat-poke perfect holes strategically. I like a 2.5 to 3 inch sub, so I add 3 holes on each side an inch above that and cover with tyvek.

I find the holes above the sub aid a good pinset.





What do you mean 4 holes in the lid? Pics brotha, pics.

Also a way to keep from having wars of polyfill is simply use a short piece of pvc the diameter of your holes  with a piece of screen on the end.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: maddchef]
    #18977401 - 10/14/13 04:31 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'll get a pic, but just one 2 inch hole in each corner of the lid...and three along the tub sides an inch above the sub line.


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    #19010738 - 10/21/13 09:14 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

So there's currently no condensation on any of the walls, really. Only a bit maybe.. But anyways, i've tightened the poly in both the bottom holes and the top holes and still no condensation. What ever shall i do? :frown:


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    #19011785 - 10/22/13 01:15 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Adjust your fan speed/position :wink:


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    #19012735 - 10/22/13 09:27 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Adjust your fan speed/position :wink:



Weeeeelp it's a ceiling fan. xD

Anyways another question, what will be the signs i will see that tell me to increase FAE, or humidity is low, or etc etc? I think if im correct the pins will have fuzzy mycelium at the base if they need FAE and cracked caps if they need humidity right?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: jackalope9517]
    #19013856 - 10/22/13 01:47 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

That is generally correct. I have an A/C unit in my fruiting room and it blows directly at the tubs on high (tubs are 10-15' away, however).

If you stuff tightly on the bottom, loose on top with one with no poly, you'll be set. Its not an exact science. I always grab poly by the handful and tear according to what feels right, rather than make sure each and every hole is stuffed just like the other.




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    #19029058 - 10/25/13 12:00 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Frank what I'm worried about is my humidity because I have no way to check it other than any visible damage on my pins that would indicate low humidity.. But I read a thread where you said that even with an open top hole in a mono RH can still be maintained. So basically, with stuffed holes whether loose or tight on top or bottom, RH should be fine if you pretty much just let a mono sit there, right?

I've just got a case of noob paranoia 'cause my pins are growing pretty slow and am searching for answers lol. Though, it is MS so.. suppose that could be the case? (Btw there's always a bit of condensation near the substrate, and on the walls a bit but not all over the walls like i see in other pics, and temp is 70ish)


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: jackalope9517]
    #19032176 - 10/25/13 05:27 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if its been addressed already as I'm not reading through 9 pages but seeing as humid air rises, and your op of stuffing the top hole very loose to allow fresh air to enter, this really doesn't make much sense to me as the rising warm humid air will be pushed out the top holes and most fresh air will enter through the bottom holes.

Seems one would be better off stuffing all holes equally to allow for easier air out and in.


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    #19032345 - 10/25/13 06:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know the exact science on this but even though heat rises, heat also causes molecules to expand a lot. Since the substrate produces heat then the air right at the surface of the substrate should theoretically expand and push itself  out of any immediate openings which would be the bottom holes closest to the substrate. Air moving out of those holes would draw air into the top holes simultaneously. This combined with the fan that frank mentioned should provide a decent amount of FAE.

Maybe you could do an experiment and leave a thermometer stuck into your substrate during colonization, and also have another thermometer stuck against the wall of the tub right next to one of the top holes. When it hits 100% colonization, see if it's hotter at the top of the bin or at substrate level. Then for fruiting you could keep the thermometers there and stuff all holes evenly and check the temps again a few days into fruiting to see where the air has a tendency to be hotter. Then adjust your polyfill based on that and see how it works out.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #19032355 - 10/25/13 06:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I believe the fan is the only reason this does work. When left alone, the physics don't add up.


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    #19032429 - 10/25/13 06:24 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sure there are other ways to make it work but you want very high RH right at the surface of the substrate so if you were to loosen up the bottom holes you would be sacrificing too much RH IMO. To make up for the tight holes at the bottom you need to have most of the fresh air coming into the top in order to keep the FAE and RH balance working properly. Greenhouses have constant FAE all day long but they get "misted" by the humidifier(s) several times a day to make up for it. Monos are set and forget and franks tek allows them to stay that way while still allowing a means of decent FAE. Yeah the fan makes it work better but if you were to loosen the bottom holes it seems to me like you would need to mist more often, compromising the set and forget nature of monos


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    #19032459 - 10/25/13 06:32 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

You could probably stuff them all evenly like you said, but why not get more FAE by leaving the top holes loose if it's not sacrificing RH?


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    #19032663 - 10/25/13 07:15 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

What effect does more FAE have if enough is already being given?


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: jackalope9517]
    #19032694 - 10/25/13 07:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still saying that fae coming in the top hole doesn't make much sense unless its forced in by a fan.  It's more likely to come in the bottom holes to replace the air leaving through the top, in which case it would make more sense to stuff them in reverse.


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    #19032829 - 10/25/13 07:46 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm still saying that fae coming in the top hole doesn't make much sense unless its forced in by a fan.  It's more likely to come in the bottom holes to replace the air leaving through the top, in which case it would make more sense to stuff them in reverse.



It would not come in thru the bottom holes if they were packed tight and the top holes were the ones that we packed loosely, it would enter thru the path of least resistance, and the air in the tub would get forced out the bottom holes.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: PussyFart]
    #19032873 - 10/25/13 07:56 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Then its extremely counterproductive with warm humid air rising.


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    #19032941 - 10/25/13 08:10 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18977240#18977240

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Still seems like fae should enter at the lower holes and exit out the top. Meh if it works it works.





Here's a whole thread full of stupid where I try to explain this across 4 pages, Citric gives the final word in the end :lol:




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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19033007 - 10/25/13 08:21 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm well aware of the thread stating fresh air comes in the top and old air leaves through the bottom but what I'm saying is this doesn't make much sense. If the argument is air enters through the path of least resistance, then it would also leave through the path of least resistance and the tightly stuffed bottom holes would be irrelevant.

Convection makes more sense, basically the way a sgfc works, warm humid air rises, pulls air in to replace it.

Also I'm willing to bet the majority of air in your tubs leaves through the top holes as humid air rises, warm air rises, so warm highly humid air definetly rises.


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    #19033039 - 10/25/13 08:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm well aware of the thread stating fresh air comes in the top and old air leaves through the bottom but what I'm saying is this doesn't make much sense. If the argument is air enters through the path of least resistance, then it would also leave through the path of least resistance and the tightly stuffed bottom holes would be irrelevant.

Convection makes more sense, basically the way a sgfc works, warm humid air rises, pulls air in to replace it.

Also I'm willing to bet the majority of air in your tubs leaves through the top holes as humid air rises, warm air rises, so warm highly humid air definetly rises.




When the air is trying to leave the tub, the loose holes wouldn't be the path with least resistance since air is already being pushed into them. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Look at franks results and all the people who benefit from his methods including myself


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: maddchef]
    #19033068 - 10/25/13 08:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

The fan in the room creates more air current than your tub does. This current over powers anything trying to come up and out.

It's the same principle as rolling down a window in a moving car, more exaggerated of course. But the principle is the same. The faster you go, the more current.

Put a heater and a humidifier in the car. Crank them up and get it as humid and hot as you can. If the car is still, the air will flow up and out. Start moving and cold air will blow in from the top where the window is cracked.

This will still happen if the door is not sealed well at the bottom. If the path of least resistance is at the top, the cold air will come in there.

Moist warm air may still escape the window, but the FAE is absolutely coming in.


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    #19033077 - 10/25/13 08:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not arguing that it works, only the basics behind it. Old air would only not leave those holes if you had air flowing in with no way but the bottom holes to flow out. It's like blowing into a bottle, air comes right back out of where you blow it if it has no other place to go ie:tightly stuffed holes.

I would theorize air enters the top holes, mixes around, and goes right back out the top loose holes for the most part. While I'm sure there is air Exchange at the bottom holes, it is likely to be minuscule.

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    #19035013 - 10/26/13 10:41 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

SJ had a good analogy, for sure.

But I thought we already went over this on page 8 :lol:

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Frank I have issue with this
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.      For the bottom holes on your mono, it's simple: you'll want to stuff them very tightly to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom.





Knowing that your sub produces heat and heat rises, this air should be exiting out of the top effectively pulling air in through the bottom holes.

Please explain the logistics to me here.




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A fan is running in the room :thumbup:




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Still seems like fae should enter at the lower holes and exit out the top. Meh if it works it works.

Quick question, they didn't have my normal tubs so I had to go with one slightly shorter lenghtwise but a tad wider and taller.  My usual is a 90qt and this is a 105, do you really think the usual amount of holes will be sufficient or should I modify a tad? I normally run 2in holes.




Here's a whole thread full of stupid where I try to explain this across 4 pages, Citric gives the final word in the end :lol:

And yeah, it should work fine, I would configure it exactly the same :thumbup:




The fact is that even if some air goes back out through the top holes, it still is not coming in the bottom holes. That makes all the difference IMO :thumbup:

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    #19051914 - 10/29/13 01:06 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I have a monotub going in the same room as a couple shotguns...I shouldn't be using a fan, correct?
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Love this thread...that is all.


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I have a monotub going in the same room as a couple shotguns...I shouldn't be using a fan, correct?
And, more importantly, if I'm not running the fan, should I have all of the polyfill fairly loose?



Probably.. I'm doing a mono without a fan and i have tight at the bottom very loose on top and i fan every so often. So far no signs of a lack of FAE or humidity.


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I have a monotub going in the same room as a couple shotguns...I shouldn't be using a fan, correct?
And, more importantly, if I'm not running the fan, should I have all of the polyfill fairly loose?




Move the mono to a different area and use a fan if possible.

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Probably.. I'm doing a mono without a fan and i have tight at the bottom very loose on top and i fan every so often. So far no signs of a lack of FAE or humidity.




You should run your fan with the dialed in mono.

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    #19169112 - 11/21/13 09:19 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Hello Frank,

Let me first say thanks for the journal it's been a great read.
Now on to my noobage.
I have a mono that I believe is about 85% colonized. However, a rogue fruit has started growing, but it appears to be the only one, as I do not see any other primordia formations.
In your experience, would it be better to let colonization continue, at least until I'm getting more primordia, or to fruit the tub immediately?

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Hello Frank,

Let me first say thanks for the journal it's been a great read.
Now on to my noobage.
I have a mono that I believe is about 85% colonized. However, a rogue fruit has started growing, but it appears to be the only one, as I do not see any other primordia formations.
In your experience, would it be better to let colonization continue, at least until I'm getting more primordia, or to fruit the tub immediately?

Thanks,
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Premature pinning is usually a sign of bacterial contamination, which most of the time would have come from a bad spawn jar.

Has the colonization stalled out on the rest of the tub? Are you using coir and verm as a substrate?

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19173953 - 11/22/13 07:58 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I fruited the tub yesterday shortly after posting because I re-read those tips and tricks.
It appears the sub is knotting properly and I even have a few more pins developing.

Yessir I am using coir/verm.
And when I spawned I made sure to smell and thoroughly inspect all my jars, they seemed fine.

Perhaps I am not able to properly tell if my tub is at 100% in the first place.

Edit: They have turned out nicely.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19174176 - 11/22/13 09:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a monotub going in the same room as a couple shotguns...I shouldn't be using a fan, correct?
And, more importantly, if I'm not running the fan, should I have all of the polyfill fairly loose?




Move the mono to a different area and use a fan if possible.

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Probably.. I'm doing a mono without a fan and i have tight at the bottom very loose on top and i fan every so often. So far no signs of a lack of FAE or humidity.




You should run your fan with the dialed in mono.

If you are not using a fan, stuff all the holes loosely and mist/fan as needed :thumbup:





Why didnt I think of that. lol I just use waxpaper to keep humidity close to the substrate and leave my polyfill as loose as I can. Smaller tubs I mist, larger ones I dont need to do this for as the bulk of the sub provides ample humidity in its large volume


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Brain Fart]
    #19174181 - 11/22/13 09:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I have a tub of Columbian Rust Spore with a real sexy pinset I will share in a few days when the canopy grows up a bit more


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Brain Fart]
    #19303345 - 12/20/13 03:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for this
i hope someone with experience can maybe incorporate this and other good bits into one clear monotub tek for noobs, as the one I can view here is pretty unclear and requires lots of searching and reading confusing arguments here and numerous other places.  I don't mind reading except for dealing with dredging thru useless debates that get personal.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: djmasturbeat]
    #19303353 - 12/20/13 03:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

what confuses you? it's probly the simplest tek i know of...your at the right place to ask a q or 2


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cronicr]
    #19370131 - 01/04/14 08:12 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Great post, thanks for sharing


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: aceofasses]
    #19399006 - 01/10/14 01:11 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting stuff:) always impressive teks, Frank


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Jot]
    #19403316 - 01/11/14 11:14 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

:thanx:

I'm glad to hear it helps. Tightly stuffing the bottom holes is one of the best things I've ever done for my grows.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: maddchef]
    #19463588 - 01/23/14 05:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

After reading this tek I am confused by Franks's statement that air flows in the top holes and out the bottom holes. (my underline)

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For the bottom holes on your mono, it's simple: you'll want to stuff them very tightly to keep fresh air flowing in the top and out the bottom.

For the top holes, you want very loose polyfill.





As far as I understand that's not the direction air moves inside a Monotub. I thought that warm + humid air rises and exits the mono through the upper holes. This creates an air current (a convection current?) of cooler air flowing into the tub through the bottom holes to replace the air that exits through the top holes.

I see Maddchef has already raised this point on page9 of this thread.

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I don't know if its been addressed already as I'm not reading through 9 pages but seeing as humid air rises, and your op of stuffing the top hole very loose to allow fresh air to enter, this really doesn't make much sense to me as the rising warm humid air will be pushed out the top holes and most fresh air will enter through the bottom holes.

Seems one would be better off stuffing all holes equally to allow for easier air out and in.




Frank says he has great success stuffing the bottom holes of his monos tightly. Im not disputing his this, but maybe there are different reasons behind why it works. It seems to me that given that air is more likely moving into the tub through the bottom holes, stuffing them tightly would have the effect of slowing air movement slightly. Could that mean that because the air current is slowed, air stays for longer inside the tub before exiting and is therefore heated for slightly longer and able to become more humid. Stuffing the bottom holes tightly therefore may have the effect of creating slightly warmer and more humid conditions inside the mono than would otherwise be achieved, and it's these conditions that cause noticeably better results/yield...?

The physics of air movements inside a SGFC are clearly described in the OP of this thread (even tho its talking about a SGFC I think the same air movements occur inside a Mono?):

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11499564/fpart/all/vc/1


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: psyke101]
    #19463614 - 01/23/14 05:13 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

If you read the rest of the thread and the thread i linked in a response, you'll see that it flows in the top because you are running a fan in the room.

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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19463743 - 01/23/14 05:40 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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If you read the rest of the thread and the thread i linked in a response, you'll see that it flows in the top because you are running a fan in the room.

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I missed that link. Thanks.

Sorry if you think im beating a dead horse. That response by citric doesnt really seem to answer the issue to me. I think a better explanation is given in the thread I linked to in which the OP and RR both agree that air rises inside a SGFC. I believe the same process happens in a Mono. But never mind, im not going to bang on about it.


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: psyke101]
    #19463881 - 01/23/14 06:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Except that you should not run a fan in the room with the sgfc, this disrupts the natural convection currents generated that humidify the chamber. This process of rising air is how the sgfc works and i am very familiar with it.

If you dont run a fan alonside the mono, air is going to rise in the chamber, that is correct. A fan disrupts this airflow as well, and air being blown around the tub will flow in through the path of least resistance and circulate the air in the tub.

You can see the drier airflow coming in as lines of evaporation in the condensation around the top holes. Conversely there is very little evaporation around the tightly stuffed bottom holes. It's easy to demonstrate :shrug:


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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19491213 - 01/29/14 12:29 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Yo Frank could post a picture of where you put your fan exactly? It would be easier to understand distance and angle.

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