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does anyone know what these are?
    #17328639 - 12/03/12 07:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

These mushrooms popped up in my tubs a couple days ago. Two different containers, both straw and horse manure. At first I thought they were the B+ and Ecuador's they were supposed to be, but now I don't think so.
Could something else have been on the straw that made it through the pasteurization?


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328663 - 12/03/12 07:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

where did you get your spores from? (hope not spores101)

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: subiedude]
    #17328671 - 12/03/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

hawks eye

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: subiedude]
    #17328673 - 12/03/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Those look either like a cool different mushroom or a contam called ink cap or something like that you just have to wait and see.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328701 - 12/03/12 07:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

They grow super fast. these are not the same mushrooms, but they change from the size in the first picture to the size of the ones in the second picture within a matter of hours.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328706 - 12/03/12 07:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328713 - 12/03/12 07:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328731 - 12/03/12 07:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ink cap.
That's what it is. I saw a dead one on the bale of straw that I used.
I didn't recognize it because they look different all dried up and dead.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328746 - 12/03/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Get an ident in the hunting and identification forum, they look like shaggy ink cape, if they are, they're edible.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: creekfreek]
    #17328749 - 12/03/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328753 - 12/03/12 07:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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creekfreek said:
That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.



QFT, anything you're not intending to grow is a contaminate.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328775 - 12/03/12 07:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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creekfreek said:
That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.




Ok I understand that if you didn't try to grow it, it's a contam, now let's put that aside.
It's an inky cap mushroom, not a contam that makes the caps look like that.
So before you get all high on your horse, pick up a field guide and have an interest in mushrooms, not just the ones that get you high!!!

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17328785 - 12/03/12 07:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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creekfreek said:
That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.



QFT, anything you're not intending to grow is a contaminate.




These tubs were inoculated with two different spore prints.
Could that be the source? I figured it came from the straw.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17328788 - 12/03/12 07:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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creekfreek said:
That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.



QFT, anything you're not intending to grow is a contaminate.




Thank you, and creek here is the link

http://www.shroomery.org/5276/What-are-common-contaminants-of-the-mushroom-culture

look at the inky cap entry; and to your new comment I cultivate reshi and A. bisporus mushrooms as well as actives.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328800 - 12/03/12 07:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, you inoculated a tub with spores? Not spawn?


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328809 - 12/03/12 07:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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creekfreek said:
That's not a "contam", it's a mushroom.
You got a crappy syringe, those are not cubes and are probably not edible but I'm not positive about the edibility.
Contact your supplier and tell them you looked at the spores under a microscope and they were not what you ordered.




DUDE NO WAY... It a contam that makes the mushrooms look like that... Read the contamination thread before you try to one up people.



QFT, anything you're not intending to grow is a contaminate.




These tubs were inoculated with two different spore prints.
Could that be the source? I figured it came from the straw.




You said earlier that you saw them on your straw before you pasteurized, I would think that's where they came from, unless you don't know where your prints came from, I would put my money on the straw.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: creekfreek] * 1
    #17328810 - 12/03/12 07:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

they look like shaggy mane. fried with salt, peeper, and butter, they taste like the soft fatty part of a rib-eye. I LOVE THEM!

But i'm sure that's not what you ordered.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: serotonin storm]
    #17328815 - 12/03/12 07:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Wait, you inoculated a tub with spores? Not spawn?



If so, that's your problem


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17328824 - 12/03/12 07:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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they look like shaggy mane. fried with salt, peeper, and butter, they taste like the soft fatty part of a rib-eye. I LOVE THEM!

But i'm sure that's not what you ordered.





exactly what i was thinking, but doubt thats what they are.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: ShroomzWeedLsd]
    #17328826 - 12/03/12 07:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If ya do a search on it ,anywhere outside this site, there's a lot of info saying it's a mushroom.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: creekfreek]
    #17328849 - 12/03/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomsweedlsd, now this is just getting rediculous, op asked if anyone knew what they were, someone else replied that it was a contam that makes the caps look that way... That is not the case, these mushrooms grow like that. It's not a contam, it's a mushroom for Christ sakes.
That's what I was talking about.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17328854 - 12/03/12 07:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think they made it through the pasteurization. That's awesome!

Probably a bummer on your cubensis though. I would let them grow and see if the cubensis will grow too. Although I wouldn't eat any of them unless I was very sure they were edible. Also when you throw them out wish them well and throw them someplace they will grow, like in a forest or something.

Maybe they are an edible strain that got mislabled but I doubt that.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: Vire]
    #17328864 - 12/03/12 07:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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If ya do a search on it ,anywhere outside this site, there's a lot of info saying it's a mushroom.



Thanks Vire...
It really is a mushroom. They grow all over the place where I live.  But it's listed in the contams list that someone linked to me.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: sexybutsparkly]
    #17328874 - 12/03/12 07:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

if they made it through pasteurization, would that make his pasteurization technique questionable?


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17328892 - 12/03/12 07:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Wait, you inoculated a tub with spores? Not spawn?



If so, that's your problem




I did.
This is only my second time growing and I guess I don't know as much as I thought I did. First time was with rice flower about a year ago. I had good luck with that.
Time to start over and do it right.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17328902 - 12/03/12 07:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, you can't put spores to a bulk sub and hope to succeed. You have to put spores to a jar of grains and use it once its fully colonized to spawn it to the bulk sub.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: serotonin storm]
    #17328935 - 12/03/12 07:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shaggy mane. Ink Cap. Inky mane...... Its edible, and choice. Good work. I think everyone is crazy here. You had a contaminated inoculant.


You just won the spore to bulk lotto. Dont expect it to happen again. lol


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: serotonin storm]
    #17328965 - 12/03/12 08:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, you can't put spores to a bulk sub and hope to succeed. You have to put spores to a jar of grains and use it once its fully colonized to spawn it to the bulk sub.




Thank you. I'll start some jars tomorrow.
What grain do you guys think is best for this? I have plenty of manure and straw left, so I think I will try again. Maybe pasteurize a little longer next time.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17328966 - 12/03/12 08:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You had a contaminated inoculant.




Not necessarily. He saw a dead one on his straw before pasteurizing, which calls his pasteurization in to question, and he went MS straight to bulk.


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17328978 - 12/03/12 08:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I think pasteurizing is supposed to kill any spores in your substrate.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: sexybutsparkly]
    #17329005 - 12/03/12 08:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I see your point. Perhaps shaggy mane is a little more heat resistant, or like you are thinking, not a proper pasteurization.


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Im going to assume shaggy mane is pretty easy to grow....


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17329023 - 12/03/12 08:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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What grain do you guys think is best for this?




I use rye berries. but some folks can't get them as easy, so they use wild bird seed(WBS). I've never used WBS, but i hear it's cheaper and trickier to get the moisture right.

The flour  you used before worked because it's a grain and u prolly sterilized it, and it was a small amount. then you prolly used it to spawn to bulk. do the same thing this time, except try rye or WBS as your spawn instead of flour


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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17329046 - 12/03/12 08:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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What grain do you guys think is best for this?




I use rye berries. but some folks can't get them as easy, so they use wild bird seed(WBS). I've never used WBS, but i hear it's cheaper and trickier to get the moisture right.

The flour  you used before worked because it's a grain and u prolly sterilized it, and it was a small amount. then you prolly used it to spawn to bulk. do the same thing this time, except try rye or WBS as your spawn instead of flour




yes to everything except using it to spawn bulk. I fruited them right on the BRF cakes.

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    #17329049 - 12/03/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Im going to assume shaggy mane is pretty easy to grow....




When i lived in oregon, i'd see them everywhere after a good rain. even on the side of the road.

I'd stop and pick'em on my way home from work. You have to put your buttered pan on a remote control stove so you can have it hot when you walk in the door. Cuz they turn to ink fast.


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    #17329054 - 12/03/12 08:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Im going to assume shaggy mane is pretty easy to grow....




It seems like you can do it without even trying!

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    #17329070 - 12/03/12 08:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

if you want to step up to bulk, might i suggest Damion5050's Coir Tek??


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    #17329085 - 12/03/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I wish some other mushrooms would grow this fast!
I can see a difference since I started this thread.
I'll post a picture in a minute.

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    #17329111 - 12/03/12 08:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: charles81076]
    #17329112 - 12/03/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

\Guide to Common Contaminate Mushrooms
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#4 Coprinoids (Inky Caps)

A common contaminate mushroom often seen in bulk cultivations using manures, composts, straw or soils.  The spores of many coprinoids are thermotolerant and can survive inadequate pasteurization.  There are many species but the contaminating types are all fast growing and fragile with most dissolving into an inky liquid at maturity. The cap coloration can be white, brown or gray.  The young caps are usually egg shaped, but mature into a bell or parasol shape before melting down.  Spores are black.  Not active, not edible (some species can be somewhat toxic, but none are considered deadly)




Could be a bad spore source ( which you should never mention in association with cultivation), but it could be improper pasteurization.

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Re: does anyone know what these are? [Re: Haffenreffer]
    #17329143 - 12/03/12 08:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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#4 Coprinoids (Inky Caps)

A common contaminate mushroom often seen in bulk cultivations using manures, composts, straw or soils.  The spores of many coprinoids are thermotolerant and can survive inadequate pasteurization.




Most likely not from MS straight to bulk.


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#4 Coprinoids (Inky Caps)

A common contaminate mushroom often seen in bulk cultivations using manures, composts, straw or soils.  The spores of many coprinoids are thermotolerant and can survive inadequate pasteurization.  There are many species but the contaminating types are all fast growing and fragile with most dissolving into an inky liquid at maturity. The cap coloration can be white, brown or gray.  The young caps are usually egg shaped, but mature into a bell or parasol shape before melting down.  Spores are black.  Not active, not edible (some species can be somewhat toxic, but none are considered deadly)




Could be a bad spore source ( which you should never mention in association with cultivation), but it could be improper pasteurization.




I'm sure it was improper pasteurization. I just went and looked and there are several dead ones on the rest of the straw bale.
I guess I need more heat.

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    #17329168 - 12/03/12 08:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

try coir


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    #17329193 - 12/03/12 08:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Id still try to eat em. 1 cant hurt. Just to test. They look just like the shaggy manes that grow on my lawn. Which itself is a coprinus species. If their tasty, get some spore prints. :smile:


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    #17329366 - 12/03/12 09:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Could something else have been on the straw that made it through the pasteurization?





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    #17329389 - 12/03/12 09:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Id still try to eat em. 1 cant hurt. Just to test. They look just like the shaggy manes that grow on my lawn. Which itself is a coprinus species. If their tasty, get some spore prints. :smile:




just don't drink alcohol before..

Consuming Coprinopsis atramentaria within a few hours of alcohol results in a "disulfiram syndrome".[12][13] This interaction has only been known since the early part of the twentieth century. Symptoms include facial reddening, nausea, vomiting, malaise, agitation, palpitations and tingling in limbs, and arise five to ten minutes after consumption of alcohol.

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Id still try to eat em. 1 cant hurt. Just to test. They look just like the shaggy manes that grow on my lawn. Which itself is a coprinus species. If their tasty, get some spore prints. :smile:




just don't drink alcohol before..

Consuming Coprinopsis atramentaria within a few hours of alcohol results in a "disulfiram syndrome".[12][13] This interaction has only been known since the early part of the twentieth century. Symptoms include facial reddening, nausea, vomiting, malaise, agitation, palpitations and tingling in limbs, and arise five to ten minutes after consumption of alcohol.




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    #17329472 - 12/03/12 09:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:
and never consume anything without positive identification.

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    #17329557 - 12/03/12 09:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

those have popped up in a lot of outdoor grows i've done. its a whole different culture. they always show up when i use straw and don't pasteurize. outside i don't care i pick the ones i want and leave those little fuckers for the slugs. you just fucked up pasteurizing is all. try again and don't use straw it kinda sucks and has led me to more contamination problems than what its worth. coir h poo all day.


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those have popped up in a lot of outdoor grows i've done. its a whole different culture. they always show up when i use straw and don't pasteurize. outside i don't care i pick the ones i want and leave those little fuckers for the slugs. you just fucked up pasteurizing is all. try again and don't use straw it kinda sucks and has led me to more contamination problems than what its worth. coir h poo all day.




I think I will take your advice. The straw is a pain.

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    #17329756 - 12/03/12 10:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I use straw in every single one of my grows and I love it.


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Straw hasn't treated me well. Maybe cause i'm terrible when it comes to pasteurizing.


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I use straw in every single one of my grows and I love it.




how long and how much heat do you use when pasteurizing?

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    #17330626 - 12/04/12 01:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

its recommended to pasteurize separately then add it to the main substrate cause it can use some extra precautions. look up rr's video on straw prep or better yet buy his video for like 8 bucks its worth it. i've tried it a handful of different ways and just have more success without it. especially when i used to mix all my substrate into filter bags and knock it up with lc and skip the spawning step, but fuck that grain jars are easy and coir and h poo are easy. keep shit simple. keep it simple and there are less things that can go wrong. thats my biggest advice. people get to caught up in trying to go all out at first and that's when i find they run into a lot of problems.


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its recommended to pasteurize separately then add it to the main substrate cause it can use some extra precautions. look up rr's video on straw prep or better yet buy his video for like 8 bucks its worth it. i've tried it a handful of different ways and just have more success without it. especially when i used to mix all my substrate into filter bags and knock it up with lc and skip the spawning step, but fuck that grain jars are easy and coir and h poo are easy. keep shit simple. keep it simple and there are less things that can go wrong. thats my biggest advice. people get to caught up in trying to go all out at first and that's when i find they run into a lot of problems.




That was my mistake I guess. Trying to go all out before I knew what I was doing.

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    #17332858 - 12/04/12 01:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats just my recommendation based on personal early disastrous grows. first time keep it as simple as fucking possible. fewest ingredients needed. then add one variable at a time and find out what works best for you. its a slow process but a rewarding one.


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