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OfflineSaribo
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Choosing a Grow Method
    #1732680 - 07/20/03 05:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hey everybody,

A friend of a friend is looking at getting into mushroom growing and has been doing quite a bit of reading here at the shroomery. He has seen rather mixed reviews of the PF tek, but also knows that many people strongly recommend it as the way to start out. However, it seems like some of the larger scale teks don't seem that much more difficult. In particular, the WBS and straw setup seems promising. This leads my friend to pose a few questions.

Is PF really that much easier than everything else, and is my friend getting over eager, or is WBS and straw doable for a newbie?

A pressure cooker is needed for WBS but not PF. However due to elevation the boiling pt. here is 96 degrees C, not 100. Does that make a pressure cooker the way to go even for PF?

How many syringes would be needed to inoculate enough WBS to straw case a medium to large rubbermaid bin? Since this is the first attempt, he will have to buy the syringes off the net, but in the future he will definitely do spore prints.

I'm sure this isn't the first time this question has been asked, but I found it to be a hard thing to search for. Thanks for your advice in advance.


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Re: Choosing a Grow Method [Re: Saribo]
    #1732783 - 07/20/03 06:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Is PF really that much easier than everything else, and is my friend getting over eager, or is WBS and straw doable for a newbie?



I've heard of newbies doing WBS/Popcorn to shit spawn before. So yeah I'd say it's doable. PF-Tek is super easy from what my friend tells me, but he hasn't done any other methods really, so he can't make comparisons to say it's easier then anything else.
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A pressure cooker is needed for WBS but not PF. However due to elevation the boiling pt. here is 96 degrees C, not 100. Does that make a pressure cooker the way to go even for PF?


Wouldn't this mean that you WOULDN'T need a PC? Since the boiling point is lower then standard? I'm retarded though, so who knows.
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How many syringes would be needed to inoculate enough WBS to straw case a medium to large rubbermaid bin? Since this is the first attempt, he will have to buy the syringes off the net, but in the future he will definitely do spore prints.



Depends on how fast you want to colonize the jars. You could use 1/2 cc a jar and have it take longer, or two cc's per jar and have it take faster. It's up to you. I'm sure one would be enough though. Not positive though. Wait for a second opinion. Good luck.
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Re: Choosing a Grow Method [Re: Saribo]
    #1732799 - 07/20/03 06:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Bulk growing is pretty simple once you are aquainted with basic growing knowledge. All you need is some good basic growing experience and a lot of patience and even an adept newbie can do bulk and WBS, it really isn't that different or difficult from standard pf

Pressure cooker is optimum for any tek, but since most people don't have pc's and steaming works just as good for pf jars then I don't see why anyone can't be successful steaming pf jars.

I recommend starting with the pf tek with brf. It's easy and proven. One syringe is good enough to innoculate a dozen jars which in turn can be used to spawn pounds upon pounds of poo and/or straw.

The pf tek gets a lot of crap from people because most of the time people neglect to get the proper materials, are impatient or are lacking in their sterilization procedures.


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Re: Choosing a Grow Method [Re: Saribo]
    #1732867 - 07/20/03 06:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Saribo said:
Is PF really that much easier than everything else


yes, i'd say so


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Re: Choosing a Grow Method [Re: Saribo]
    #1732918 - 07/20/03 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Easy as it gets.

Grow Log
Tek : PF
Strain : South American [SA]
Spores : Came from homemade prints. 36 total jars to be injected.
Substrate :Brown Rice Flour [BRF] and Vermiculite [Verm]
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10:15 PM 3/4/03 : Project is started. Jar prep is just putting small holes in the lids for the spore syringe and then taping them closed until inoculation. Tape used is the standard black electrical tape. First batch of jars is mixed. The mix used is 2 parts verm, 1 part water, and 1 part brf. [ This mix is the max fruiting formula by PF.] Mix is put into 1/2 pint canning jars lightly, not packed in, and left it airy. Put substrate in until it reaches the threads of the jar, then add dry verm the rest of the way.
Jars are PCd at 10psi or 240f for a period of 45 minutes. Then jars were left to sit overnight to cool.


8:39 PM 3/5/2003 : First batch of jars injected. (24 jars)

10:04 AM 3/6/2003 : Incubator is running to low 77F. Going to turn it up today.


5:45 PM 3/6/2003 : Second batch of jars is in the PC will be injected tomorrow. Turned up incubator runs at 83F. 86F is the best and if the incubator is 83F and myc growing in the jars is suppose to create a little heat I figure this should work out well.

1:11 PM 3/7/2003 : Second batch of jars is done. (12 jars)

12:10 PM 3/9/2003 : Jars are doing good, no signs of contams


2:54 AM 3/19/2003 : Tape removed from the holes today and coffee filters put over the top of the jars for added protection. Holes were opened so the CO2 in the jars could escape. I gave 12 jars to a friend who kept fucking up. 24 jar?s about 75%done.


12:13 PM 3/22/2003 : Well it's Saturday and the jars will probably be done by the 25th. So it was 36 jars. 12 were given to a friend, 24 done by Tuesday.

10:26 PM 3/23/2003 : 15 jars were done enough to put into dunk. I dunk and cold shock before birthing and after every flush. The other 9 jars have a spot the size of a pea that has to be covered so I'll do those on the 25th.


7:17 PM 3/24/2003 : 15 jars put into the pod. Put in and put a layer of moist verm on top. With geolite I just put the cakes on it. With some other chambers I put the cake on a lid filled with verm. This is done to give the shrooms on the bottom and the top of the cake some added moisture.
The other 9 jars just finished so I'm going to give them a couple more days to make sure the middle of the cake is done.


4:57 PM 3/27/2003 : 5 More cakes birthed today, 4 left going to do them tomorrow or 3/29/2003

3:58 PM 3/29/2003 : Well I lost another cake. My wife's little 1 cake pod made from a 2 liter and a small fish pump and a little geolite used up her last cake so I gave her a SA to grow. The last 3 are in the cold shock dunk.
So the total is 36 jars done all colonized with no contams. 12 given to a friend, 1 to the wife, 23 mine

12:08 PM 3/30/2003 : Last of jars put in

12:02 PM 3/31/2003 : The first 15 cakes are pinning nicely and some have shrooms coming from the bottom.


11:01 AM 4/3/2003 : Things look to be going well.


1:02 AM 4/4/2003 : Took the first flush from four of the cakes. More will be done later today.


5/8/2003 : Total 23 cakes 164 grams dried.


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