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Offlinepsikooz
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What can we do?
    #1732674 - 07/20/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I am sick of our government. Im sick of unjust drug laws, screwed up education systems, and un needed war in general. It seems to me that the spirit that existed in the 60's, the spirit that if we all come together we can change the world, that spirit is gone. The government has succesfuly killed that spirit, and that is why our society is corrupt, and unjust. society in general is going down the tubes, i want to spread my views into my peers, i want to bring back the spirit. What can i do to help this? I feal like something big is going to happen in the next 10 years, and that im going to be a part of it. I hope so.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1732702 - 07/20/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Amen brother!  :thumbup:  :grin: 


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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1732713 - 07/20/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: What can we do? [Re: Zahid]
    #1732723 - 07/20/03 03:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The truth is there is fuck all you can do about it, just sit back and let the wankers do what they want... You dont have to better the world, very hard to do IMO, just better yourself and go for you goal man


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Re: What can we do? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1732747 - 07/20/03 04:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

There's alot that can be done to prevent Bush and the convervatives from getting a second term.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Zahid]
    #1732775 - 07/20/03 04:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

And what would that accomplish? You would merely have another person with "new" ideals instead... No matter who is in power its still the same shit as before


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Re: What can we do? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1732780 - 07/20/03 04:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

That's not entirely accurate.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Zahid]
    #1732803 - 07/20/03 04:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

In what way?


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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1732878 - 07/20/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The government has succesfuly killed that spirit, and that is why our society is corrupt, and unjust.

the government didn't kill that spirit, it died on its own.

i want to spread my views into my peers, i want to bring back the spirit. What can i do to help this?

lead by example... and spread the mushroom far and wide.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: ]
    #1732956 - 07/20/03 05:38 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The government got rid of the leaders of the spirit, that is why it died.

And if everyone comes to gether, things can change. It is the additude of "theres nothing we can do" that the government wants us to have, but that is false, there are things we can do.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1732988 - 07/20/03 06:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

What "leaders of the spirit" did the governement get rid of and how did they do it?


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: What can we do? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1732995 - 07/20/03 06:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Leary , lennon, these were major ones.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1733016 - 07/20/03 06:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

are you saying that the government killed Dr. Leary and John Lennon?

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Re: What can we do? [Re: ]
    #1733074 - 07/20/03 06:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

the government is responsible for their demise.

Edited by psikooz (07/20/03 08:31 PM)

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1733207 - 07/20/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

psikooz said:
the governemnt is responsible for their dimise.



How so?


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: What can we do? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1733221 - 07/20/03 08:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The governemnt cant have people like lennon or leary. People with views that are the complete opposite of what the government wants the general public to have. They were people with power, and the government did everything they could so that they would cease to exist, and to influence people.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1733240 - 07/20/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well.....I didn't expect your answer to have much substance, but that is just stupid. So the government didn't like them? So they didn't like what they had to say? So what. Doesn't mean the governement had anything to do with their demise.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: What can we do? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1733452 - 07/20/03 10:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever man. The government is wrong, and it needs to change. America was built on rebellion, and it is the only force that creates progress.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1733745 - 07/20/03 11:57 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"The truth is there is fuck all you can do about it, just sit back and let the wankers do what they want... "

why would you think like this?

I cannot understand those who seem to see the scum in our society but then say "oh well.."

NON-ACTION IS GOING TO MAKE IT SO EASY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE.

I just finished an excellent book by Adbusters Media Foundation founder Kalle Lash, entitled "Culture Jam."

The whole book was great :smile: I'm going to quote some stuff from it - might be a bit long :wink: :

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Most people in the world have never heard of culture jamming. Yet it is not a new movement. We place ourselves on a revolutionary continuum that includes, moving backward in time, early punk rockers, the '60s hippie movement, a group of European intellectuals and conceptual artists called the Situationist Internation (born of the Lettrist International), the surrealists, Dadaists, anarchists, and a host of other social agitators down through the ages whose chief aim was to challenge the prevailing ethos in a way that was so primal and heartfelt it could only be true.

...But it was the Situationists.. they were the first to understand how the media spectacle slowly corrodes the human psyche. They were, in a sense, the first postmodern revolutionaries.
.. The Situationists declared a commitment to 'a life of permanent novelty.' They were interested only in freedom, and just about any means to it were justified. The creativity of everyday people, which consumer capitalism and communism had weakened but not killed, desperately needed to find expression. Down with the bureaucracies and heirarchies and ideologies that stifled spontaneity and free will. To the Situationists, you are - everyone is - a creator of situations, a performance artist, and the performance, of course, is your life, lived in your own way. Various stunts were concocted to foster spontaneous living. Situationist members suggested knocking down churches to make space for children to play, and putting switches on the street lamps so lighting would be under public control.
.. The Situationists spoke often of the 'spectacle' of modern life. The term encompassed everything from billboards to art exibitions to soccer matches to radio and TV. Broadly speaking, it meant modern society's 'spectacular' level of commodity and consumption and hype. Everything human beings once experienced directly had been turned into a show put on by someone else. Real living had been replaced by prepacked experiences and media-created events. Immediacy was gone. Now there was only 'mediacy'-- life as mediated through other instruments, life as a media creation... The spectacle had 'kidnapped' our real lives, co-opting whatever authenticity we once had.

... You may already be a culture jammer. Maybe you're a student who does not want a career working for corporate America. A graphic artist tired of selling your soul to ad agency clients. A vegan. A biker. A maverick professor. An Earth Firster who liberated a billboard last night.
We jammers are a loose global network of artists, activists, environmentalists, Green entrepreneurs, media-literacy teachers, down-shifters, reborn Lefties, high-school shit disturbers, campus rabble-rousers, dropouts, incorrigibles, poets, philosophers, ecofeminists. We cover the spectrum from the cool intellectual middle to the violent lunatic fringe, from Raging Grannies who chant doggerel at protests to urban guerrillas who stage wild street parties. We are ecological economists, TV jammers, ethical investors. We paint our own bike lanes, reclaim streets, 'skull' Calvin Klein ads, and paste GREASE stickers on tables and trays at McDonald's restaurants. We organize swap meets, rearrange items on supermarket shelves, make our software available free on the Net, and generally apply ourselves to the daily business of getting consumer culture to bite its own tail. We're idealists, anarchists, guerrilla tacticians, hoaxers, pranksters, neo-Luddites, malcontents and punks... revolution is said to be no longer possible. What we share is an overwhelming rage against consumer capitalism, and a vague sense that our time has come to act as a collective force.




The book gives several good ideas on how to assist this general movement.. I thought it was great and would recommend it for anybody who feels that "America is no longer a country but a multimillion-dollar brand," including the politicians and many people who seem to be "rebels."


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1733840 - 07/21/03 12:33 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my god man! Thats what im talking about!

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1733850 - 07/21/03 12:40 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, you're being paranoid. If the government was going to kill John Lennon and Timothy Leary, don't you think they would've done it a lot sooner?


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Re: What can we do? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1733916 - 07/21/03 01:12 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I think you're missing the larger points here; whether or not they physically killed those specific people is irrelevant - in my opinion.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1733965 - 07/21/03 01:38 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

what?>> that makes no sense!

john lennon was cool, but as far as being a revolutionary, he wasnt up to the task, he wasnt politically minded.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1735420 - 07/21/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

whatever dude - you don't understand the idea he was trying to get across?


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1735448 - 07/21/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

this point made no sense: whether or not they physically killed those specific people is irrelevant

and trying to say that john lennon was a revolutionary is silly, he was a great artist, but his political endevours were useless, he didnt have the appropriate understanding of politics to undertake some serious, effective revolutionary action.

anyways, fuck the 60's. There is a way more intelligent and effective movement alive today. The 60's was silly idealism (other than the black civil rights movement/feminism), nowadays, people interested in change are actually changing things.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1735538 - 07/21/03 03:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yeah man... there was a stronger 'counterculture' back then because there was way more fucked up shit. racial inequality, sexual inequality, vietnam... if kids today were getting sent off to die in the jungle fighting for "freedom" by a government that segregated blacks, there'd be a huge movement. i do think that there was more injustice back then than there is now, and that's why 'the movement' today is not as large. the spirit is still there though.

the more messed up the situation is, the more people will be concerned about making it better.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1735743 - 07/21/03 04:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You need a tinfoil hat.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1738756 - 07/22/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I already have one:

http://www.hallucinaut.com/foilhats

I'm the dude on the right :wink: rofl


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1738758 - 07/22/03 04:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Just remember: shiny side out!

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Re: What can we do? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1738826 - 07/22/03 04:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

...or it doesn't work properly!


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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1738869 - 07/22/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Out breed them I say, and give their kids psychedelics.... :mushroom2: 

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Re: What can we do? [Re: gordonoalberto23]
    #1738889 - 07/22/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

if you wear a foil hat,cheap b&w cameras will not be able to take pictures of you, cuz the light will reflect off and make a halo around your face. good info if you ever plan on robbing an atm or something... not that I would know about that stuff or anything

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Re: What can we do? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1738956 - 07/22/03 05:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I think i may just send those guys a pick of myself and my tinfoil hat!....my design adds increased sheilding, and conspiracy detection abilities!


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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1739200 - 07/22/03 06:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

psikooz said:
I am sick of our government. Im sick of unjust drug laws, screwed up education systems, and un needed war in general. It seems to me that the spirit that existed in the 60's, the spirit that if we all come together we can change the world, that spirit is gone. The government has succesfuly killed that spirit, and that is why our society is corrupt, and unjust. society in general is going down the tubes, i want to spread my views into my peers, i want to bring back the spirit. What can i do to help this? I feal like something big is going to happen in the next 10 years, and that im going to be a part of it. I hope so.




*dreams* Lead by example, fact is...Most people arnt pissed off enough to sacrifice their consumerist fast food lifestyle's to fight for change. An absolutely ginormous percentage of people would need to either revolt through not paying their taxes, or through violence, they would quickly be coined as "terrorists against the state" and be taken care of. Voting wont change a hell of alot.....MOST American's think they live in the greatest country in the world, they have no need to change anything.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: PDU]
    #1740070 - 07/22/03 11:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

But i think people are, i think people are pissed off, but there just to damn scared to do anything about it. People are so scared by the government it is sickening.

You might think im crazy, but you just watch, theres gonna be a rev, and im going to be in the heart of it.

Edited by psikooz (07/22/03 11:19 PM)

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1740115 - 07/22/03 11:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, ill watch. By the way, how old are you? Do you have excessive money to spend, and heavy artillary?


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1740333 - 07/23/03 01:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

dude send it! that's me and my friend; REALLY. Its from back in our acid-daze(days)


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1741277 - 07/23/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

im old enough to know.

this is my last post.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1741284 - 07/23/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

this is my last post.


Ever?


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Re: What can we do? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1741334 - 07/23/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

psikooz, im not trying to scare you away, just challenging you (in a friendly competetive way) to come up with a good way to make change. Ive discussed for endless hours, read, and written people, among other things to find an effectve way to create a change in social perception/action....And...it's hard, there are alot of obstacle's and what ive sarcastically said in previous post's are some of those obstacle's. I truly want to see a change, and i too would jump into some sort of movement i deemed appropriate, however, i know the only resource i have to change perception is my brain and word of mouth..right now anyways. We need to be critical of each other inorder to find an effective way because if we arnt, critics/skeptics (the government and society) WILL. Unless we can address and counter every forseeable problem beforehand, the "movement" will get taken out ever more quickly.
(check out the forums at guerillanews.com im sure you can find much introspection into this topic there)
We have the will....we just need to find the way, and unless we accept critisizims about our idea's thats never going to happen.
Ive lost some hope.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: PDU]
    #1741634 - 07/23/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

What would you care of americas revolution?..or are you talking bout overthrowing the canadian government?!


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Re: What can we do? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1741642 - 07/23/03 03:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Strumpling said:
dude send it! that's me and my friend; REALLY. Its from back in our acid-daze(days)




R U serious?! :lol:....thats fucking hilarious!
OK, ok,,,i'll try and whip something funky up before the end of next week, and walk into the mall and take a picture!...i'll need to get a friend to take the pic, cus im SURE my g/f will have NOTHING to do with it...

Mabye i'll let out HEY!...just before taking the picture, so you can see everyone stunned by the coolness of my hat! :thumbup:


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Re: What can we do? [Re: PDU]
    #1742048 - 07/23/03 05:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

PDU, thats the problem, we dont have a way. We need to think and collaborate with minds alike to bring about this change. It takes more than 2 people. It takes hundreds of people that think just like us to start a movement. There has been no collaberation. We need to have a meeting and discuss what we feal needs to change. Because thats whats what you want to do, change things.

All revolutions start from one person, that person needs to step up. YOu have to be friendly, and trully express your beliefs in order to get people to follow you.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: psikooz]
    #1742054 - 07/23/03 05:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Can I put you down as opposing gun control?

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Re: What can we do? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1742092 - 07/23/03 05:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Azmodeus said:
What would you care of americas revolution?..or are you talking bout overthrowing the canadian government?!




I dont like America's government imposing their value's on my homeland. (haha, i sound like a columbian coca farmer!)

I value freedom as everyone else does, overall i am fairly satisfied with my government, of course it could be better...but it could be a hell of alot worse (U.S.!)

It would depend on how it was strategized (SP?!) depending on the situation, i might want demonstrate my distaste for the american government through partaking in a movement.


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Re: What can we do? [Re: PDU]
    #1742126 - 07/23/03 06:08 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

If your gonna have a gun, your going to have a gun. In my opinion. I feal that gun control would not stop crime, or protect anybody. If you own a gun you have to know how to use it and store it.

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Re: What can we do? [Re: PDU]
    #1742231 - 07/23/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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PDU said:
It would depend on how it was strategized (SP?!) depending on the situation, i might want demonstrate my distaste for the american government through partaking in a movement.




Feel free to eat all the poop you want. :grin:

 

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