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FrankHorrigan
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My best project yet
#17325536 - 12/03/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I started a project a few months back and wanted to show it off a little. I'll post some more pics when I can, I am over my weekly limit again 

Stats: MS on agar, one transfer for each culture before inoculating master jars. 240 jars of spawn inoculated from 12 master jars (half-gallon). Substrates are hpoo, coir, verm and gypsum. A few experiments are present as well, inculding straw/poo and straw/coir. Tossed 46 of the 240 jars, 26 of which were not visibly contam'd but didn't smell right when spawning. I have cased two tubs with 50/50 casing. I used 319 quarts of substrate and 194 quarts of spawn for this project. One tub had to be tossed due to trich.
I'll be deleting these pics before too long
Edited by FrankHorrigan (12/03/12 09:54 AM)
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Very nice little (big) factory you have going on there!
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Tmethyl
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And I thought I was out of hand with my 7 monotubs. 
I am impressed that is one sexy shot.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Tmethyl]
#17325566 - 12/03/12 08:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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 We do love our shiitakes around here 
Here's the stats, I added them to the top:
MS on agar, one transfer for each culture before inoculating master jars. 240 jars of spawn inoculated from 12 master jars (half-gallon). Substrates are hpoo, coir, verm and gypsum. A few experiments are present as well, inculding straw/poo and straw/coir. Tossed 44 of the 240 jars, 26 of which were not visibly contam'd but didn't smell right. I have cased two tubs with 50/50 casing. I used 319 quarts of substrate and 194 quarts of spawn for these. One tub had to be tossed due to trich.
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That is a mess of shitakes. Very impressive setup.
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FrankHorrigan
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Headacherelief said: That is a mess of shitakes. Very impressive setup. 
 It's been a good two years of solid work to get where I am today. It's really thanks to you guys on the Shroomery more than anything. My hat is forever off to you.
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 Impressive! Looks like a lot of work
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Destitute]
#17326147 - 12/03/12 11:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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"go Shitake, go go Shitake "
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Re: My best project yet [Re: silos]
#17326168 - 12/03/12 11:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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JumpinLow
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It's official. That's pretty awesome.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: JumpinLow]
#17326315 - 12/03/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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did you tape around the handles of your tubs to limit GE? or is that just a labeling thing?
gorilla tape? why do you use it? I thought the whole "light causes side pinning was becoming old info" whats your thoughts . or is it just habit, and for structural support.
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Icesyn
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Re: My best project yet [Re: silos]
#17326342 - 12/03/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beautiful! I hope those tubs are safe on the rug like that. It's usually recommended to keep them at least at waist height to keep them away from the monsters.
I can't wait to have a room like that haha.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: silos]
#17326345 - 12/03/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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that's frightening...
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Re: My best project yet [Re: silos]
#17326372 - 12/03/12 12:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't block the light around the bottom, and use dark colored plastic or aluminum foil inside the tub, they WILL pin on the sides.
I experimented recently with clear and black plastic sheet in my clear mini-msg's and came to the conclusion that light has more to do with side-pinning than anything. I still got some side pins from the black plastic tub, but nothing like I got with the clear plastic. The tubs with clear plastic produced mushrooms on 5 sides, between the plastic and the substrate. There couldn't hardly have been much FAE down there, but lo and behold there were mushrooms that grew underneath the subsrate.
Not so with the black plastic.
Also, my tubs were all prepared the same. Same spawn ratio, same substrate, same consolidation time. The tubs that were exposed to light throughout the grow pinned a full 5 days before the ones that only received small amounts of light.
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Icesyn
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Jeebies]
#17326432 - 12/03/12 12:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jeebies said: If you don't block the light around the bottom, and use dark colored plastic or aluminum foil inside the tub, they WILL pin on the sides.
I experimented recently with clear and black plastic sheet in my clear mini-msg's and came to the conclusion that light has more to do with side-pinning than anything. I still got some side pins from the black plastic tub, but nothing like I got with the clear plastic. The tubs with clear plastic produced mushrooms on 5 sides, between the plastic and the substrate. There couldn't hardly have been much FAE down there, but lo and behold there were mushrooms that grew underneath the subsrate.
Not so with the black plastic.
Also, my tubs were all prepared the same. Same spawn ratio, same substrate, same consolidation time. The tubs that were exposed to light throughout the grow pinned a full 5 days before the ones that only received small amounts of light.
Two reasons for using a black lining, one could be an easy clean up if you're using a trash bag and keeping the substrate in it. The other is obvious, to keep sunlight out.
Why you used a clear lining is beyond me. I hope you didn't tape it to the outside too.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326467 - 12/03/12 12:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said:
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Jeebies said: If you don't block the light around the bottom, and use dark colored plastic or aluminum foil inside the tub, they WILL pin on the sides.
I experimented recently with clear and black plastic sheet in my clear mini-msg's and came to the conclusion that light has more to do with side-pinning than anything. I still got some side pins from the black plastic tub, but nothing like I got with the clear plastic. The tubs with clear plastic produced mushrooms on 5 sides, between the plastic and the substrate. There couldn't hardly have been much FAE down there, but lo and behold there were mushrooms that grew underneath the subsrate.
Not so with the black plastic.
Also, my tubs were all prepared the same. Same spawn ratio, same substrate, same consolidation time. The tubs that were exposed to light throughout the grow pinned a full 5 days before the ones that only received small amounts of light.
Two reasons for using a black lining, one could be an easy clean up if you're using a trash bag and keeping the substrate in it. The other is obvious, to keep sunlight out.
Why you used a clear lining is beyond me. I hope you didn't tape it to the outside too. 
A clear liner eliminates side pinning while at the same time allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Icesyn
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Re: My best project yet [Re: PussyFart]
#17326538 - 12/03/12 12:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: A clear liner eliminates side pinning while at the same time allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light.
Why would it matter? Tubs are usually clear anyways. Even if it's colored, there wouldn't be a point of using a clear lining. Only for clean up.
And how does it reduce side pinning if it's "allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light"? So what you said really doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm missing some facts here.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326567 - 12/03/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said:
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Notahacker420 said: A clear liner eliminates side pinning while at the same time allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light.
Why would it matter? Tubs are usually clear anyways. Even if it's colored, there wouldn't be a point of using a clear lining. Only for clean up.
And how does it reduce side pinning if it's "allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light"? So what you said really doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm missing some facts here.
I think because fae is a major trigger vs light.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326579 - 12/03/12 12:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said:
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Notahacker420 said: A clear liner eliminates side pinning while at the same time allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light.
Why would it matter? Tubs are usually clear anyways. Even if it's colored, there wouldn't be a point of using a clear lining. Only for clean up.
And how does it reduce side pinning if it's "allowing the substrate to absorb energy from the light"? So what you said really doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm missing some facts here.
Light does not cause side pinning...light isn't even a main pinning trigger.
But FAE is a main trigger...The bag shrinks with the substrate eliminating the FAE and u get no side pins, but we know mycellium uses light for energy...so how are you confused?
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Icesyn
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Re: My best project yet [Re: PussyFart]
#17326708 - 12/03/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: But FAE is a main trigger...The bag shrinks with the substrate eliminating the FAE and u get no side pins, but we know mycellium uses light for energy...so how are you confused?
I still can't find any logical reason to use a clear liner other than an easy clean up.
Like, if you're using a clear tub why would you use a clear liner? Is there any sense in that?
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326727 - 12/03/12 01:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said:
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Notahacker420 said: But FAE is a main trigger...The bag shrinks with the substrate eliminating the FAE and u get no side pins, but we know mycellium uses light for energy...so how are you confused?
I still can't find any logical reason to use a clear liner other than an easy clean up.
Like, if you're using a clear tub why would you use a clear liner? Is there any sense in that?
How would a clear liner be easier to clean up than a black one? It's just color.
If ur using a clear tub but using a black liner, the sides of the substrate cannot get any light, but if u don't tape the sides and u use a clear liner, the sides of the substrate can absorb energy from the light(that it wouldn't get with the bottom of the tub taped or a black liner).
The substrate will pull the liner with it as it consolidates and it will eliminate the microclimate between the sub and tub walls that lead to side pinning.
I'm not sure how else to explain it.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Edited by PussyFart (12/03/12 01:31 PM)
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326736 - 12/03/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said: I still can't find any logical reason to use a clear liner other than an easy clean up.
Really?
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Notahacker420 said: The bag shrinks with the substrate eliminating the FAE and u get no side pins
The bag shrinks with the substrate eliminating the FAE and u get no side pins.
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Re: My best project yet [Re: toxetel]
#17326760 - 12/03/12 01:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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He is saying that when you use no liner the sub will shrink and side pin. If you do use a liner, the liner will take up the slack. Its perfectly logical. If you use a black liner beneficial light cant get through. So clear is preffered, but ime not required.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (12/03/12 01:43 PM)
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Icesyn
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There's the answer I was looking for. Thanks.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17326851 - 12/03/12 02:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tape my sides to block light but I don't use a liner. Too much hassle. I run my substrates through two flushes a piece and then toss them to make room for the next substrates to be spawned. So side pins don't bother me much. The first harvest never has many and when I harvest the second, I'm free to rip the substrate to pieces if I need to, because it's going to the compost after that anyhow 
Thanks for all the support guys, I'll post some more pics when I can!
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trippinballs420
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holy fuck man, youve got supplies, space, knowledge, and experience i hope to have at some point in my life
you just all over my set up of a handful of pf jars
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So have any of you toyed with the notion of setting up a worm composter for your spent sub?
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FrankHorrigan
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Quote:
trippinballs420 said:

holy fuck man, youve got supplies, space, knowledge, and experience i hope to have at some point in my life
you just all over my set up of a handful of pf jars 
I spent a whole lot of time fucking around, messing up, and getting in touch with all sorts of contams...that's the story of my life I think 
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malicom said: So have any of you toyed with the notion of setting up a worm composter for your spent sub?
I haven't. Is it as simple as it sounds? Tell me more.
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Well i guess you just get a vermiposting bin. They sell them. Or you can make one out of some styrofoam coolers with holes poked in the bottom. Then you order some redworms. you just put the bin full of new spent sub on top, and the worms move up through the tower of bins. You remove the bottom one to find fresh worm castings.
This is what ive read, but have yet to get it rolling. You can vermipost all your spent sub, yard trimmings, newspapers etc... Then use it in place of manure for Poo loving species.
Thats the idea. Apparently no smell. I wanna get this rolling in my basement.
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Forgot to mention you want a drip tray/bin on the bottom to catch the "worm tea". Which is supposed to be super concentrated nutes for plants or shrooms.
Someone on here... I think it was Tmethyl mentioned dunking a trich infected cake in worm tea, and it killed the trich.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (12/03/12 02:38 PM)
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Tmethyl]
#17327051 - 12/03/12 02:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said: And I thought I was out of hand with my 7 monotubs. 
I am impressed that is one sexy shot.
no doubt i have 8 and thought that was too many also
great job frank
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FunnyFungi
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Re: My best project yet [Re: twistedty]
#17328282 - 12/03/12 06:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're looking at several dry pounds right there 
Be safe dude
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Re: My best project yet [Re: PussyFart]
#17328349 - 12/03/12 06:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Something trouble me here, since when mushrooms are photosynthetic organisms?
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Tmethyl
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Amphibolos said: Something trouble me here, since when mushrooms are photosynthetic organisms?
Fungi do not use photosynthesis, but they do gather energy from light, especially light sufficient in blue spectrum. The mechanic(s) fungi are employing to use the light are not fully understood and currently under study. We do know, however, they they DO use light all the way from colonization to fruiting.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: My best project yet [Re: Icesyn]
#17328376 - 12/03/12 06:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: We do love our shiitakes around here 
I am extra safe with shiitakes 
Also, mali, the compost bin is something I will look into. Sounds great for the gardens in the spring
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Hey Timethyl can you post a link to the thread malicoms talking about, where your dunked a caked covered in trich in "worm tea" and it killed it!
The whole idea of worm composter bins is really cool I wanna look into it
your a boss frank!
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