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Offlinerealrasta
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bulk speed
    #1732450 - 07/20/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

first id like to say i debated over putting this here but figured since it was about bulk it should be here.if im wrong with this asumption please move. now onto the question. i have been doing bulk for sometime now but what always gets me is the time it takes. now im in no rush as i know patience is key. but i get really concerned with the time it takes ive tried more spawn with no change. so ill tell you how i do it
after i spawn a 1ft. x 1ft. - 5 in. deep bulk tray of horse poo with 3 pint jars of popcorn (either mixed or layred) i cover air tight with foil ant let alone untill colonize.
so what am i doing wrong why does it take weeks to colonize help would be nice thank you very much


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Re: bulk speed [Re: realrasta]
    #1732463 - 07/20/03 03:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

using more spawn makes no difference ?
that doesn't make sense.
4 or 5 quarts of popcorn in the same sized patch will manage it faster than 3 pints, of that i'm quite sure.



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Re: bulk speed [Re: Hippie3]
    #1732523 - 07/20/03 04:29 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

more spawn will help allot and i like to mix very well not layer what time of time frame does it take with 3 pints wich is 1.5 quarts to colonize your 1'x1'x5" tray and also what is the water content like in your poo ? dry poo colonizes so much faster then over saturated poo and are you laying a nice sheet of plastic over your spawn with tinfoil over top to keep light out?


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Re: bulk speed [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1732535 - 07/20/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no im using just foil to keep light out.
i completly drain my poo i squeeze all water out its damp but not saturated what i think is good moister contenet spent i while to get it right. i think maybe i was just usin to little spawn what would be a good recomindation for spawn substrate ratio in the tray listed above. thanks for your help thus far any suggestions would be great thanks


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Re: bulk speed [Re: realrasta]
    #1732545 - 07/20/03 04:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Go for as much spawn as possible it only helps but the amount you use is the same amount afoaf uses with great speed so i think maybe it is another step in your process that is taking slow also try to use a nice 2ml plastic with some 1/4" holes spaced about 3 inches also are u incubating this if so dont it has more then enough heat more heat will slow it down i like to hand squeze each hand full of poo i place in to get much water out


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Re: bulk speed [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1732618 - 07/20/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

so how would i apply this plastic. under the tin foil? would the foil be lose. also isnt squeezing every handfull excessive? i guess im not that confident in my pasturizing.i just dont like the idea of my thermometer not being long enough to sneak past the pillow case to the bottom. i always think its way hotter at the bottom than at the top. do you do your bulk in open air?????


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Re: bulk speed [Re: realrasta]
    #1732919 - 07/20/03 07:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

>so how would i apply this plastic. under the tin foil?
yes i tuck it into the sides as well like a kid in a bed then tinfoil over top

>also isnt squeezing every handfull excessive?
yes probably is but this method works great for a foaf when be4 hed would do regular draing and had problems now he has it down perfect

>do you do your bulk in open air?????
yes he does with room kept at like 80% rh

>my thermometer not being long enough to sneak past the pillow case to the bottom. i always think its way hotter at the bottom than at the top
you should look into a brinkman tubs and pour your hot water into it with your dung instead of heating on the stove them hot spots can trigger a bacterial bloom


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Re: bulk speed [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1735233 - 07/21/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I would perforate that foil, or use perforated plastic instead. Things colonize faster when not sealed airtight. IMO, darkness is not necessarry for incubation as long as you can case it as soon as it is colonized, it won't pin until it is colonized regardless of light.

Also, millet or grated (cheese grater style) brff gives more innoculation points per volume unit of substrate, allowing for even faster colonization. I've never used popcorn, but in theory the lower number of particles in it compared to other grains should make it colonize more slowly compared to equal volumes of other spawns.


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Re: bulk speed [Re: mycofile]
    #1736521 - 07/21/03 11:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

read  this post by the king of compost :smile:
i couldn't seem to get bulk right til i tried this .  it really helps . 


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Re: bulk speed [Re: deanofmean]
    #1738622 - 07/22/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

thanks


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