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casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge?
    #17323117 - 12/02/12 08:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all!  My cakes never produced any real mushrooms, besides aborts.  3 weeks in the SGFC.  No contams, just lots and lots of pearl shaped tiny blobs covering the cakes.  Nice, fresh, shroomy smell whenever I open up the SGFC to mist and/or fan.

Note:  I am using ms KSSS.

I picked the cakes clean of aborts, and they are undergoing a dunk for 24 hours.

But....my casings are looking good!  I crumbled the late colonizing BRF cakes into a coir/verm/calcium carbonate casing, and they are pinning, and pinning pretty nicely, especially for multispore, and especially for the damn lousy results of my cakes I am comparing them to. 

(I will post pics hopefully tomorrow- I have been too busy to get a new memory card for my phone.)

Now:  questions: 
1.  I never bought a humidity gauge...I do have a SGFC built to absolute spec, however.  Do I need to be concerned with humidity levels, and not lay out $12 for a hygrometer?

2.  My casings are pinning!  I have nice pins on the top of the casing, coming through the casing layer....Now, I also have pins forming on the sides, between the mycelium "casing cake" and the heavy duty tin foil meatlof pan...I had to gently slide the casings out a few days ago, cuz I was worried there was water collecting in the bottom of the meatloaf pans, and I was right, there was some yellowish water.  So, I poked some holes and put the casing back into the meatloaf pan.  There is small space between the casing and the sides...
I have read that the shrooms like the "microclimate" provided by the humidity, but what should I do?  Will the mushrooms just grow up through the small space provided?  Should I just leave it be?  Should I pull and gently twist the foil meatloaf pan in order to allow room for these pins to grow up?

I hope I have not been too verbose.  I know, a picture is worth one thousand words.  Please offer your insight, though! 

:thanx:


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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17323227 - 12/02/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your confusing a bulk substrate with a casing layer.

A casing layer is a non nutritious top layer applied to a bulk substrate usually after 100% colonization for moisture retention and pinning.

People used to call bulk substrates casings but now it just adds confusion.

Coir is not a casing material, its a bulk substrate material. You never want to spawn to casing material.

A hygrometer is not needed for a SGFC built to spec.

If you want to eliminate side pins in the future, line the trays with a garbage bag first.

You could make room for them, its your call, but they will grow no matter what.

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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: PussyFart]
    #17323731 - 12/02/12 10:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks NotA!

Now, I have read that KSSS does not fruit well on cakes.

THat has been my experience so far. 

So, I dont know what it is called, but I crumbled a BRF cake, and put a thin layer underneath and a thin layer on top of the crumbled mycelium.


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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17323781 - 12/02/12 10:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That's another thing, layering sux...always mix the spawn in evenly with the substrate.

I have not heard that about KSSS, so :shrug:.

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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: PussyFart]
    #17323911 - 12/02/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well, I did not use a substrate...I used a casing material.

So, what would be the proper term for:  crumbling a cake, and putting a thin layer of coir/verm/calcium carbonate on top of it?  Casing, no?

I swear, these pins are growing rapidly, something that did NOT happen with the cakes....perhaps I messed up in making the cake ingredients, but I think this casing is going to fruit much much better than the cakes did.....

Time shall tell-


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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #17323975 - 12/02/12 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BEETHOVEN said:
well, I did not use a substrate...I used a casing material.

So, what would be the proper term for:  crumbling a cake, and putting a thin layer of coir/verm/calcium carbonate on top of it?  Casing, no?




Yes you did use a bulk substrate...both coir and verm are bulk substrate materials...both contain nutrients so they do not make for good casing layer material.

It would be considered spawning to a bulk substrate. Layering not mixing evenly. Nothing to do with casing...like I said that's an outdated term.

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