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BEETHOVEN
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casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge?
#17323117 - 12/02/12 08:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey all! My cakes never produced any real mushrooms, besides aborts. 3 weeks in the SGFC. No contams, just lots and lots of pearl shaped tiny blobs covering the cakes. Nice, fresh, shroomy smell whenever I open up the SGFC to mist and/or fan.
Note: I am using ms KSSS.
I picked the cakes clean of aborts, and they are undergoing a dunk for 24 hours.
But....my casings are looking good! I crumbled the late colonizing BRF cakes into a coir/verm/calcium carbonate casing, and they are pinning, and pinning pretty nicely, especially for multispore, and especially for the damn lousy results of my cakes I am comparing them to.
(I will post pics hopefully tomorrow- I have been too busy to get a new memory card for my phone.)
Now: questions: 1. I never bought a humidity gauge...I do have a SGFC built to absolute spec, however. Do I need to be concerned with humidity levels, and not lay out $12 for a hygrometer?
2. My casings are pinning! I have nice pins on the top of the casing, coming through the casing layer....Now, I also have pins forming on the sides, between the mycelium "casing cake" and the heavy duty tin foil meatlof pan...I had to gently slide the casings out a few days ago, cuz I was worried there was water collecting in the bottom of the meatloaf pans, and I was right, there was some yellowish water. So, I poked some holes and put the casing back into the meatloaf pan. There is small space between the casing and the sides... I have read that the shrooms like the "microclimate" provided by the humidity, but what should I do? Will the mushrooms just grow up through the small space provided? Should I just leave it be? Should I pull and gently twist the foil meatloaf pan in order to allow room for these pins to grow up?
I hope I have not been too verbose. I know, a picture is worth one thousand words. Please offer your insight, though!
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PussyFart
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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
#17323227 - 12/02/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your confusing a bulk substrate with a casing layer.
A casing layer is a non nutritious top layer applied to a bulk substrate usually after 100% colonization for moisture retention and pinning.
People used to call bulk substrates casings but now it just adds confusion.
Coir is not a casing material, its a bulk substrate material. You never want to spawn to casing material.
A hygrometer is not needed for a SGFC built to spec.
If you want to eliminate side pins in the future, line the trays with a garbage bag first.
You could make room for them, its your call, but they will grow no matter what.
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BEETHOVEN
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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: PussyFart]
#17323731 - 12/02/12 10:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks NotA!
Now, I have read that KSSS does not fruit well on cakes.
THat has been my experience so far.
So, I dont know what it is called, but I crumbled a BRF cake, and put a thin layer underneath and a thin layer on top of the crumbled mycelium.
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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
#17323781 - 12/02/12 10:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's another thing, layering sux...always mix the spawn in evenly with the substrate.
I have not heard that about KSSS, so .
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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BEETHOVEN
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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: PussyFart]
#17323911 - 12/02/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, I did not use a substrate...I used a casing material.
So, what would be the proper term for: crumbling a cake, and putting a thin layer of coir/verm/calcium carbonate on top of it? Casing, no?
I swear, these pins are growing rapidly, something that did NOT happen with the cakes....perhaps I messed up in making the cake ingredients, but I think this casing is going to fruit much much better than the cakes did.....
Time shall tell-
-------------------- What you are, you are by accident of birth;
What I am, I am by myself.
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PussyFart
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Re: casing questions- what do I do about the pins growing on the side right next to the edge? [Re: BEETHOVEN]
#17323975 - 12/02/12 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
BEETHOVEN said: well, I did not use a substrate...I used a casing material.
So, what would be the proper term for: crumbling a cake, and putting a thin layer of coir/verm/calcium carbonate on top of it? Casing, no?
Yes you did use a bulk substrate...both coir and verm are bulk substrate materials...both contain nutrients so they do not make for good casing layer material.
It would be considered spawning to a bulk substrate. Layering not mixing evenly. Nothing to do with casing...like I said that's an outdated term.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
*** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (12/02/12 11:03 PM)
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