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Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question
    #17319886 - 12/02/12 10:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys I'm growing for the first time and I've just built my terrarium using an ultrasonic humidifier. I've heard alot of people saying humidifiers put out too much moisture but mine seems to me made for babies and I'm unsure. Following the pf tek, I set it up so only a little fog was seen in the last 2-liter. But it didn't seem to really be building up any fog in the actual terrarium. I plugged up the air exchange hole on the bottom to make sure everything isn't escaping from the top. It wasn't. So my question is this. Am I supposed to be able to see mist in the air in the terrarium? I can post a pic of my setup if needbe.

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17319900 - 12/02/12 10:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Build a proper SGFC


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17319949 - 12/02/12 10:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you insist on using a Humidifier, don't use an Ultrasonic
for your Fruiting Chamber... They can and more then likely will
saturate your substrate. Use the Impeller type.

Also I'm not sure what Terrarium you are planning on using. But
humidifiers work best in Greenhouse/Martha Setups.

If I were you I would search around the forum and find something
suitable for you, that will work best. :thumbup:


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17319973 - 12/02/12 11:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Build a proper SGFC



id do this to get your feet wet, id also run something in your grow room to raise your rh, not try to hook one up to a fc


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320001 - 12/02/12 11:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I understand alot of people are not down with ultrasonics for a small operation but I chose this method after some research and this sounded like the most promising way to go for a first time grow. I've already built the whole thing to the specifications given in the pf, I just need to tweak it. Again, with the size and power of this given humidifier, which is a little polar bear that blows fog out of its nose,  and the fact that I'm not casing, which I've heard means oversaturation is less of an concern, I'm really more worried the tub isn't getting humid enough. I'll probably break down and get a hydrometer but I've heard they're inaccurate. I just want to know, so I know if I'm in the ballpark, humidity-wise, how visible should the fog be in the tub if I'm using an ultrasonic setup?

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320008 - 12/02/12 11:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Not visible. If it's visible it's over-saturated. Meaning the mist can't mix with the air.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320020 - 12/02/12 11:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What fruiting chamber are you exactly using? The SGFC?
Because for 1, Cubensis don't benifit from a casing layer.
And for 2, they will still saturate your substrates.

If your using the SGFC, just run the Ultrasonic in the same room.
A properly built SGFC will give you the desired Humidity, no Hygrometer
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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17320032 - 12/02/12 11:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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DynGBreeD said:
What fruiting chamber are you exactly using? The SGFC?
Because for 1, Cubensis don't benifit from a casing layer.
And for 2, they will still saturate your substrates.

If your using the SGFC, just run the Ultrasonic in the same room.
A properly built SGFC will give you the desired Humidity, no Hygrometer
needed.



correct, and if you keep your rh up in the room by running the humidfier you wont have to rewet your perlite as quickly, and youll have to mist less often, this is especially true if you live in areas with low rh


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17320167 - 12/02/12 11:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks cloudpersona for actually answering my question instead of trying to sell me on the sgfc which is not really the right option for me right now. Right now, I'm using a very small setup to grow straight off my half pint cakes, of which I have 8, all either pretty much fully colonized or fully colonized and pinning. We fed 3/8 plastic tubing into the polar bear's nose and sealed it with silicon glue,  fed it through 2- 2 liters and then into the terrarium using rubber grommets which don't appear to be leaking. As for the terrarium itself, I'm using a 30 qt rubbermaid container with the tubing coming in a hole I drilled in the side towards the top and I have the gas exchange hole in the bottom with some metal mesh raised a 1/2" to set the cakes on.

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320179 - 12/02/12 11:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well I can guarantee your results will be poorer than a SGFC, but it's your choice.  :shrug:


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320220 - 12/02/12 11:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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We fed 3/8 plastic tubing into the polar bear's nose and sealed it with silicon glue.




:facepalm3: this kinda blatant animal abuse is frowned upon in my country!! :cop:


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #17320245 - 12/02/12 11:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lol

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320265 - 12/02/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ultrasonics are fine, just don't run them all the time.

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: StygianKnight]
    #17320297 - 12/02/12 12:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Im in the process of building a sgfc/greenhouse mod. I think ill call it a redhouse. lol. Its a red plastic bin w 40 LEDs installed in the lid for 3500 lumens of 7000K. With all the holes cut like a sgfc. A resevoir for a Tiny ultrasonic mister. A small humidity meter. 1 micron polyester filter media on all sides. With an outward pointing fan sitting on the top. A slightly modified 250 Watt computer power supply. 2 resistors.

The fan, lights, and mister all have seperate timers with programability to 5 minute increments.

Its half done of anyone wants to see pics. :smile:

Im going to do a dry run or 2 to work the microclimate control out, and aleviate potential humidity caveats.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17320349 - 12/02/12 12:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:picdidnthappen:


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #17320457 - 12/02/12 12:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)












I have to install 20 more LED's Yet. These just are not bright enough. I ordered them last night. I ordered the rest of the componants last night as well. I probably got 60 bucks wrapped up in this thing total so far.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181000073789?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350497457060?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170721295075?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


http://www.ebay.com/itm/390212063000?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


Technically the leds are half 6000k and half 8000k. you can see i already made the holes for the new leds in the first pic. I have an unlimited amount of commodity computer hardware to work with. As you can see this thing is wired with cat5. lol Im also wondering if this thing will require perlite or not. Ill do testing and find out. The bottom has slits, and the plastic tray in the bottom is the bottom of a laundry basket so I have a tray to set my cakes on. My aim is to fruit 3 large bag cakes at a time in here. We'll see, and Ill post updates, and perhaps even make a tek, if anyone is interested.


The FAE and Misting will happen on a schedule for a set and forget operation. With a consistantly clean air source in even the dusties houses.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #17320531 - 12/02/12 12:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

fair enough Cubes. also thx for the pix Malicom. very helpful. Do you think I should throw the 3rd bottle on again?


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320543 - 12/02/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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daha said:
Hey guys I'm growing for the first time and I've just built my terrarium using an ultrasonic humidifier. I've heard alot of people saying humidifiers put out too much moisture but mine seems to me made for babies and I'm unsure. Following the pf tek, I set it up so only a little fog was seen in the last 2-liter. But it didn't seem to really be building up any fog in the actual terrarium. I plugged up the air exchange hole on the bottom to make sure everything isn't escaping from the top. It wasn't. So my question is this. Am I supposed to be able to see mist in the air in the terrarium? I can post a pic of my setup if needbe.




Terrariums do best with some kind of passive air exchange. Ultrasonics can be nice, and are a good source of mist, but you'll either want to use it manually, or use a variable repeat cycle timer (which could be considered expensive for a tub).


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Rahz]
    #17320571 - 12/02/12 12:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Are you using the bottles to diffuse the mist? not sure... Just get a humidity meter, and test it before you put shrooms in it. From what i can tell the biggest mistake is making a mod, and running with the hope of success without doing the microclimate troubleshooting first.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17320641 - 12/02/12 01:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah the bottles are to diffuse the mist to prevent oversaturation. But you sold me on getting a hydrometer, I'm just gonna order one

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320684 - 12/02/12 01:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

K.I.S.S.

Keep. It. Simple. Stupid....

SGFC is great for beginners... Un-altered


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17320704 - 12/02/12 01:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How long can I leave the sgfc unattended?

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320718 - 12/02/12 01:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

12-14 hours.... Easily IME.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320726 - 12/02/12 01:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

KISS is a relative phrase. It depends on your level of technical ability. for me this is exceedingly simple.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17320745 - 12/02/12 01:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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malicom said:
KISS is a relative phrase. It depends on your level of technical ability. for me this is exceedingly simple.




My bad O.G.

But no really for beginners that are NEW to the hobby. They should
stick with what works before venturing off.
No one wants to answer or help someone that has some major fucking
ghetto rigged unnecessary Fruiting Chamber..
When they haven't even so much grown a single fruit.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17320757 - 12/02/12 01:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Im just playing. lol

The other notion im toying with is putting isopropanol into the sonic mister resevoir to sterilize the inside of the chamber. Then use the fan to evac the vapor as it evaporates. But there is a fire hazzard here, but I like to play the mad scientist role. lol


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17320796 - 12/02/12 01:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've also heard the shotgun method is more prone to contam. I know my setup probably looks pretty ghetto to most of you, but is it really unlikely to work, even if I get an analog hydrometer? I was trying to go with what works by following the pf tek which seemed to have a pretty good reputation. This was the way they said a beginner was pretty much guaranteed to bear fruit. I set it up exactly the way the guide said, and I did put a little bit of money and work into this setup, but I guess if there's a strong feeling it won't work at all, I guess it would be better to trash it.

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320807 - 12/02/12 01:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

SGFC is not more likely to contam. Fully colonized substrate is contam resistant.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320821 - 12/02/12 01:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

SGFC is prone to contaminate??
I have NO idea where you heard that.
Fully colonized substrates are near 100%
contaminant resistant. The Fruiting Chamber
is not a Sterile environment, nor is it
suppose to be.

A properly build SGFC needs no Hygrometer.

Venturing off and and tinkering is always fun.
But you should really start with what we all know
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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17320825 - 12/02/12 01:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Not to mention there's no easy answer, dealing with unknown CFMs, unknown amounts of water, cheap 15 minute timers, etc.

Lots of people have played around with ultrasonics. I've used them successfully and it was fun to play around with, but for the amount of work, even nearing full automation, it doesn't make a lot of sense. But if people want to use them, it's on them to figure out how it's best done.

A grow can be good with or without a humidifier, even in spite of one, but when I see people leaving the holes out to keep the humidity in I see bad grow conditions. Another common mistake is to run them way too long. If the grower doesn't have or feel like springing for a variable repeat cycle timer the next best thing would be to manually use the humidifier, which to my mind is better than the average spray bottle, but doesn't really save any work.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17320893 - 12/02/12 01:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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SGFC is prone to contaminate??
I have NO idea where you heard that.
Fully colonized substrates are near 100%
contaminant resistant. The Fruiting Chamber
is not a Sterile environment, nor is it
suppose to be.

A properly build SGFC needs no Hygrometer.

Venturing off and and tinkering is always fun.
But you should really start with what we all know
works. Then after some experience experiment




This is good advice. I have pets and am a brewer. My house is saturated with various microorganisms. Ive seen people on here having weakened cakes that succomb to tric etc... I like the idea that I can make a relatively sterile environment if possible. I cannot fathom any reason having a sanitary enclosure would be nonbeneficial. Ive heard that the best ecosystems are the most diverse, and my house fits that category. Unfortunately my mycology needs some extra shielding.


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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: Rahz]
    #17320941 - 12/02/12 02:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I was mostly looking for hydrometer recommendations at this point, just to check to see if the setup that I already made works or not. It seems to be working exactly as the tek said it would. I was really expecting someone to be familiar with this setup using the bottles to prevent oversaturation who could tell me what they used to verify that its working. I've heard alot of hydrometers can be inaccurate, I want to try to make sure I get a decent one.

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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17320951 - 12/02/12 02:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Find a Cigar or Tobacco Shop... Their Hygrometer's are great.
This is where I purchase my Pipe Tobacco. They have a Few good
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Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup question [Re: daha]
    #17321432 - 12/02/12 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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fair enough Cubes. also thx for the pix Malicom. very helpful. Do you think I should throw the 3rd bottle on again?




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