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What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing?
    #12451448 - 04/24/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Hello,

I was wondering to what degree of success pan cyan enthusiasts have had in growing them in unpasturized conditions.
  I have heard that both growers should pasturize, and should not pasturize their casings and/or substrate.  I have also heard conflicting advice on whether or not to use monotubs.

What are your thoughts and experiences on the matter?
Thanks. :bow2:


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #12451470 - 04/24/10 09:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck getting Pans to grow indoors with unpasteurized manure.


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #12451475 - 04/24/10 09:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I was wondering to what degree of success pan cyan enthusiasts have had in growing them in unpasturized conditions.




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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: stonesun]
    #12451486 - 04/24/10 09:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Pasteurize your manure based substrate and
the casing layer too. Why cut corners?!
It can be done in monotub (prismism I believe did
that recently), but monos are not
optimal for Pans.


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: stonesun]
    #12451494 - 04/24/10 09:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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stonesun said:
Pasteurize your manure based substrate and
the casing layer too. Why cut corners?!
It can be done in monotub (prismism I believe did
that recently), but not monos are not
optimal for Pans.



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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: stonesun]
    #12451504 - 04/24/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Here's my 50 gallon Pancyan monotub I did some years back. They are still the biggest pans ever grown on here by far. Pans are optimal for monotubs, unless you want toothpick pans. I hear conflicting things because RR says not to use substrate depth of no more than 1 1/2 inches.  I dont agree with that and the proof is in the pudding. This tub has four or five inches of depth. They are Pan Cyan Hawaii from sporeworks and NOT goliath.



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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #12451556 - 04/24/10 10:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

How much did a tub like that yield, and about how much substrate. If you want big ones, it might work..but if you want the most yield for your substrate I think little ones are more optimal.



Not that it cant be done in a mono, and even well...those are definatly the biggest pans I ever seen..how big was the biggest? All depends on how well you set it up and what you like though.


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12451598 - 04/24/10 10:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It was one of my first grows and I didnt know that it was that amazing. Most of the caps were as fat around as a soda cans. This sounds crazy but it gave me several pounds dry. It flushed for 6 months straight until I ended up dunking it and it just died. Ive never had any substrate that lived that long. My cubes usually die after 3 or 4 flushes. This thing kept flushing and never got trich because the mycelium turned so thick, kind of like Reishi mycelium or styrofoam. That's why I dont believe in the whole 1 1/2 inch substrate thing with pans. Get some deep substrate going on pans and the mycelium will go from thin and whispy to styrofoam like. Im going to be doing a Kiddie pool with cubes next.


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #12451917 - 04/24/10 11:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Kiddie pool with cubes sounds awesome. Interesting though..with the pans..I have been working on getting the old prints going again..maybe I will try a deep one. I dont see holes there? FAE? And did you ever add more casing?


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #12452616 - 04/25/10 07:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Cloneufc said:
I hear conflicting things because RR says not to use substrate depth of no more than 1 1/2 inches.  I dont agree with that and the proof is in the pudding. This tub has four or five inches of depth. They are Pan Cyan Hawaii from sporeworks and NOT goliath.





I say thin substrates of 1 1/2 inch because most people are growing in small trays or baking pans.  If you're growing in a large container such as 50 gallons or a kiddie pool, a thicker substrate still has the same depth to area ratio, which is key.

If you tried to use four to five inches of substrate in a baking dish, copes would have a hard time fruiting, if at all.

To the original poster, you should always pasteurize indoor substrate and casing mixes.  If growing outdoors, you can use it unpasteurized unless it's coir, which should always be pasteurized.  Mycelium has a hard time digesting unpasteurized coir.  The heat seems to make it more digestible.
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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #12456080 - 04/25/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)


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Quote:

Cloneufc said:
I hear conflicting things because RR says not to use substrate depth of no more than 1 1/2 inches.  I dont agree with that and the proof is in the pudding. This tub has four or five inches of depth. They are Pan Cyan Hawaii from sporeworks and NOT goliath.





I say thin substrates of 1 1/2 inch because most people are growing in small trays or baking pans.  If you're growing in a large container such as 50 gallons or a kiddie pool, a thicker substrate still has the same depth to area ratio, which is key.

If you tried to use four to five inches of substrate in a baking dish, copes would have a hard time fruiting, if at all.

To the original poster, you should always pasteurize indoor substrate and casing mixes.  If growing outdoors, you can use it unpasteurized unless it's coir, which should always be pasteurized.  Mycelium has a hard time digesting unpasteurized coir.  The heat seems to make it more digestible.
RR





Thanks RR, and the community at large, the input is highly appreciated.  Pasteurization seems highly advisable then.  :thumbup:

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Here's my 50 gallon Pancyan monotub I did some years back. They are still the biggest pans ever grown on here by far. Pans are optimal for monotubs, unless you want toothpick pans. I hear conflicting things because RR says not to use substrate depth of no more than 1 1/2 inches.  I dont agree with that and the proof is in the pudding. This tub has four or five inches of depth. They are Pan Cyan Hawaii from sporeworks and NOT goliath.






Wow buddy, that is quite amazing.  A person who doesnt want to dick with perlite might end up trying their hand at a 4" sub in a small monotub.
-- Cloneufc,
What tek do you use? What is your air exchange like? :tongue2:


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #12458207 - 04/26/10 05:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It had an aquarium pump in it. A big dual aquarium pump. The tubes were connected to an ultra sonic fogger in a small bucket, so the sub didnt dry out. I just used manure and once it was colonized, I added a plain verm casing. It was over 2 years ago so I dont remember some details.


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #12458228 - 04/26/10 05:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

please post pictures and a grow log of the kiddie pool if you ever do that.

it would be the most godly monotub ever


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Re: What is your experience with unpasturized and/or monotub Pan Cyan bulk substrate and casing? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #17315929 - 12/01/12 04:57 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I thought my pants were the biggest here so far!


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