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Kalypto
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Pretty sure my grow is screwed.
#17313709 - 12/01/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive got 5 monos and a GH worth of stuff to put in there and it all seems to have stalled , i see very little metabolites been working on keeping GE good. I used coir and verm as my Bulk substrate would this be a bad idea with a lower spawn ratio? any ideas?
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Z O M G
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17313724 - 12/01/12 08:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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well lower spawn ratio's are always(usually) a bad idea. ideal is 1:2 ; 1:3 is ok too. but just give it time = ) how long has it been?
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Z O M G]
#17313754 - 12/01/12 08:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you smell every jar before spawning it? When I've had entire projects go bad, it's usually because my initial LC / syringe was bad and I didn't know it.
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Kalypto
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Z O M G]
#17313771 - 12/01/12 08:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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from 1-3 weeks maybe 4 Luckily the lowest ratio is 1:3 I want to start using 1:1 I used MS and none of my spawn jars had any problems. I always keep control jars and control jars for my coir and spawn have been fine and as far i can see my inoculate from sporeworks is amazing and contam free, i did get trich in one tupperware thing with an 1/4in open hole on the lid, the trich was on top so i think it came through the top
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17313775 - 12/01/12 09:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you smell each and every jar before spawning? Because a common mistake is to think that all contams will manifest visually in jars. In truth, they don't. But they all have a distinct smell that is very different than what a clean jar of cube mycelium smells like.
Just for reference, I usually toss about 20 jars out of every 250 that look beautiful on the surface, but for whatever reason, do not smell right. Sometimes the difference is very subtle too. If it's sweet smelling, it's gone. Earthy, gone. Sour, gone.
You want only the smell of fresh mushrooms.
If you do this AND pasteurize properly, you can be assured you're doing all you can to prevent contams.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (12/01/12 09:06 AM)
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Z O M G
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FrankHorrigan said: If you do this AND pasteurize properly, you can be assured you're doing all you can to prevent contams.
true. regardless though, trich at some point will hunt you down and find you. i just lost a tub to trich this morning.
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Z O M G]
#17313821 - 12/01/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Z O M G said: true. regardless though, trich at some point will hunt you down and find you. i just lost a tub to trich this morning.
Trich is a mean bitch. I had to toss one recently too. Seems I need to do a full two hour pasteurization for substrates with coffee...man, fuck coffee.

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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17313825 - 12/01/12 09:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your substrate is probably too dry. Using a lower spawn ratio will not cause stalling, it will still grow at a steady rate but take slightly longer. If your growth just slowly tapers off it's probably from a lack of moisture.
The air is quite dry this time of year because of falling temps in my region.
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ArmFromTheAbyss said: Your substrate is probably too dry. Using a lower spawn ratio will not cause stalling, it will still grow at a steady rate but take slightly longer. If your growth just slowly tapers off it's probably from a lack of moisture.
The air is quite dry this time of year because of falling temps in my region.
Might affect his GH trays but not the monos... My RH is usually 20% or less all winter but my monos never have any trouble.
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ArmFromTheAbyss
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Yeah but what if your monotub is too dry to begin with?
I've had some issues only using substrates that didn't contain any coir. That stuff holds moisture so well, I now mix it with my manure.
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Kalypto
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Its a possibility.
Can i add moisture to it?
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FrankHorrigan
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Kalypto said: Its a possibility.
Can i add moisture to it?
I'm going to say this going to be an epic fail if you try  I take your lack of response to mean you didn't smell your spawn jars. I'll leave this here for you, because it's very very important that you remember this from now on 
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A common mistake is to think that all contams will manifest visually in jars. In truth, they don't. But they all have a distinct smell that is very different than what a clean jar of cube mycelium smells like.
Just for reference, I usually toss about 20 jars out of every 250 that look beautiful on the surface, but for whatever reason, do not smell right. Sometimes the difference is very subtle too. If it's sweet smelling, it's gone. Earthy, gone. Sour, gone.
You want only the smell of fresh mushrooms.
If you smell each jar right before dumping it in your tub AND pasteurize properly, you can be assured you're doing all you can to prevent contams.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (12/01/12 01:03 PM)
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Kalypto
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Yeah i didnt do that i thought all contams would be visible this would be an epic fail if it all failed
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17314869 - 12/01/12 01:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Frank do you smell before or after you shake the spawn jars? Or both
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17315481 - 12/01/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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mashedglasses said: Frank do you smell before or after you shake the spawn jars? Or both 
I shake it to break everything up really good, open the jar lid, and give it a good smell before dumping it into the tub. You can smell before too, but it's definitely the smell after you break it up and open the lid that will tell you right from wrong.
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Kalypto said: Yeah i didnt do that i thought all contams would be visible this would be an epic fail if it all failed
I hope it picks back up for you. If it does end up going south, just remember to start small next time. I had a couple epic heartbreaks as well when I was getting started...I lost 14 monotubs to a trich infested LC syringe that went bad after I had shot a test PF cake
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Kalypto
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I found out they have cobweb broke the monoseals and applied h2o2. I will deffinately start smelling them, i hope i can pull a few good flushes between the boxes to make my time and money worth while
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17315626 - 12/01/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kalypto said: I found out they have cobweb broke the monoseals and applied h2o2. I will deffinately start smelling them, i hope i can pull a few good flushes between the boxes to make my time and money worth while
Can you show us a picture?
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: Kalypto]
#17315665 - 12/01/12 04:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kalypto
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Re: Pretty sure my grow is screwed. [Re: cloudpersona]
#17315670 - 12/01/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know Ive been removing more and more polyfil and tape plus now that the seal is broke ill fan and mist
Edited by Kalypto (12/01/12 04:07 PM)
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