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ID request- russula/lactarius?
#17300616 - 11/28/12 10:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Found in SW Florida in sandy soil in a saw palmetto/live oak/sabal palm ecotone. outdoor RH between 80 and 95 for 14-16 hours before I found them. All specimens were growing within feet of eachother. Spore printing atm will update tomorrow afternoon.
the area around where the shrooms were found:

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muchos gracias on any idents and spore print pictures will be updated tomorrow!
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17300644 - 11/28/12 10:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. Laccaria 2. Lactarius 3. Lactarius 4. Laccaria 5. Hebeloma
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Thanks!
4.) possibly Laccaria amethystina?
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17301254 - 11/29/12 02:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. Is probably Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis. 2. Looks like Lactarius xanthogalactus. 3. Maybe Lactarius rufus or something. 4. Laccaria bicolor...
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: CureCat]
#17301828 - 11/29/12 08:12 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok here's what I came up with based on those idents:
1.) Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis doesn't grow in Southwest FL... how about L. vinaceobrunnea? Perhaps it's older, sun-dried, and dry in general because the humidity dropped before I found them. They were kinda dry when I found them.
2.) Lactarius xanthogalactus doesn't grow in Southwest Florida, as they are usually associated with coast live oak and tanoak on the west coast, like in California.
I think L. vinaceorufescens or L. chrysorrheus makes a better fit...
3.) Lactarius rufus seems correct, or at least very close... Slash pines also dominate the area idk why I didn't put that in my description in the OP.
4.) Laccaria bicolor don't grow in Southwest Florida, perhaps it could be Laccaria trichodermophora?
Peeking into my SAB, 1-5 all seem to be dropping white spores, although some may be whiter or more cream colored...
We will find the verdict this afternoon when they're done printing!
Thanks CureCat!
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17303018 - 11/29/12 01:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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4.) Laccaria bicolor don't grow in Southwest Florida, perhaps it could be Laccaria trichodermophora?
Laccaria bicolor should have noticeably purplish basal myceleum as well, L. trichodermophora seems like a reasonable suggestion, I'm not really that familiar with that species but the basal myceleum color could have faded.
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4.) Laccaria bicolor don't grow in Southwest Florida, perhaps it could be Laccaria trichodermophora?
Laccaria bicolor should have noticeably purplish basal myceleum as well, L. trichodermophora seems like a reasonable suggestion, I'm not really that familiar with that species but the basal myceleum color could have faded.
Exactly. It's important to know that 1-4 were pretty dry, and weren't too healthy; however, 5 was healthy. So being lactarius/laccarias... the dry weather/sun really makes exact idents hard for me atm...
Spore prints were all white for 1-5.... for now I'm sticking with the idents I posted above
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17306308 - 11/29/12 11:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hahaha, I read "sunshine state" and thought that meant California, not Florida. That's what I was basing the IDs on. Sorry.
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17307137 - 11/30/12 04:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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FL fun guy said: Spore prints were all white for 1-5....
Well, I really thought Number 5 was a Hebeloma, the spore print should have been brown brown. But there is also an aggressive mat of hyphae all over that leaf litter... something that a Clitocybe or some other saprobe would do, not a mycorrhizal like Hebeloma.
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CureCat said: Hahaha, I read "sunshine state" and thought that meant California, not Florida. That's what I was basing the IDs on. Sorry.
yeah I was super confused... but my finds were literally the southeastern versions of the california/western species you posted... so your idents led me to the closest/correct one pretty quick after that. Thanks!
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FL fun guy said: Spore prints were all white for 1-5....
Well, I really thought Number 5 was a Hebeloma, the spore print should have been brown brown. But there is also an aggressive mat of hyphae all over that leaf litter... something that a Clitocybe or some other saprobe would do, not a mycorrhizal like Hebeloma.
Well, tbh, #5 didn't print well at all, and the print was very light and looked creamish-colored. it sort of decomposed on me and I threw both prints away with the bug infested mushies. So, I just figured I'd say white... although if printed correctly, the prints probably would have been a light brown/brownish cream I suppose? Does that sound about right?
I printed all mushies for 20 hours... so next time I find #5 I'll print for 12 or so it doesn't take a shit again.
I also found a russula that I didn't post up on here or MO, but here are the herbarium specimens and prints:
  
Also, I usually check muddy parts of the trail for animal prints, as there are multiple FL panthers that live in this area... anyways when I came back through this part 2 hours later there were freaking prints! which means an endangered panther was walking behind me/possibly stalking me! haha.

cheers from FL!
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17307858 - 11/30/12 09:01 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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FL fun guy said: Also, I usually check muddy parts of the trail for animal prints, as there are multiple FL panthers that live in this area... anyways when I came back through this part 2 hours later there were freaking prints! which means an endangered panther was walking behind me/possibly stalking me! haha.

Cats have retractable claws, so when you see a print with claw marks it pretty much rules out any cat. It kinda looks like the back foot of a bear, but then you would see 5 toes, not 4. Florida has some really weird fauna, with a lot of tropical invasives and what not, so I'm not sure what could have been stalking you, but that is kind of eery.
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: CureCat]
#17308021 - 11/30/12 09:57 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well yes, I agree, South FL especially is a weird ass place; however, bears would also be much wider, dogs aren't allowed on this trail, I was the only one in this park all afternoon, and bobcats don't get this big... also male FL panthers will leave tracks just like that, and I've seen pictures from hunting cameras taken within a mile of that location. There's a preggo cat running around here somewhere too, according to one of my professors who actually works for this park...
and yes, the fact that it was walking around in the same few hundred feet... kinda gives me the chills.
How epic would it be to get attacked by a FL panther tho? You'd be the first and would make history
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Mykes logos]
#17308656 - 11/30/12 11:59 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool track! I agree with CureCat that it doesn't seem to be a cat print due to the retractable claws.
It doesn't appear to be dog or gator either...Is it just me, or is there a fifth toe splayed off on the right? That would suggest bear, but the proportions and toe placement seem off for that.
I'd suggest skunk ape, but they only have three toes.
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#17308690 - 11/30/12 12:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe some kind of crazy dinosaur we thought was extinct, or maybe one we never even knew existed.  Who knows in Florida...
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#17308729 - 11/30/12 12:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: I'd suggest skunk ape, but they only have three toes.
Only if their a inbreeding population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadoma
Most bigfoot have 5 toes and a pronounced mid-tarsal break.
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: vjp]
#17308749 - 11/30/12 12:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inbreeding in the Florida swamps!?! No way...
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#17308763 - 11/30/12 12:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Inbreeding in the Florida swamps!?! No way...
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#17309039 - 11/30/12 01:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Inbreeding in the Florida swamps!?! No way...
Don't know just what the hell you're talking about 
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Re: ID request- russula/lactarius? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#17309590 - 11/30/12 02:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd suggest skunk ape
me too!!!!!!! 
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