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Mailbox Dilemma
    #17309385 - 11/30/12 02:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I'll try keep this thread short and sweet since I'm suffering from all mighty comedown at the moment.

I've been wanting to open up a mailbox at a small mom and pop store for a while now. The thing is, I don't want it registered under my own name. In my opinion, that just totally defeats the purpose. So I really have two options that I'm aware of.

Either I open the account under my own name and use my folks home address rather than my own

OR my more prefered plan

Contact them via email and send in a photoshopped driving license and a forged utility bill. The thing is what though, is you don't really want to be putting your face on the ID. So how do you get round that? The only way I can think of is if I registered online VIA TOR and when I popped in to collect the mail, I just tell them that I'm a friend of the family. Would that work?

Either option seems risky. In all honesty, the first option seems the safer bet BUT the second, if pulled off correctly, would work a dream.

So folks, on that note, what's it going to be? I'd quite like to hear the thoughts of the more experienced users in the security scene. But either way, I'm option to opinions.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17319167 - 12/02/12 06:53 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Any thoughts?

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17319282 - 12/02/12 07:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You ever thought of just ordering a fake id? I would think mom and pop shops would not scrutinize the legitimacy of an ID as much as a post office.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: c1dh3d]
    #17319982 - 12/02/12 11:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say 90% of places would only be willing to accept either a driving license or a passport. Unless you're really well connected, I can't imagine you'll come across a good fake of either of those!

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17320589 - 12/02/12 01:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

not really. Just type in "novelty driver's licence" in google. a bunch of places make novelty licenses that look pretty realistic ( but of course, they're not for misrepresenting yourself in any way)

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Haffenreffer]
    #17321553 - 12/02/12 03:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

IMHO, setting up a PO in a "fake name" or your real name really doesn't make a difference.

If they set up a controlled delivery, you're fucked either way - and to top it off, if you set it up with a false identity, you're looking at more charges!

If you're really worried about it, have it shipped to an address under the name "CURRENT RESIDENT" - it at least gives somewhat plausible deniability.


Just my .02, good luck either way.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #17325669 - 12/03/12 09:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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IMHO, setting up a PO in a "fake name" or your real name really doesn't make a difference.

If they set up a controlled delivery, you're fucked either way - and to top it off, if you set it up with a false identity, you're looking at more charges!

If you're really worried about it, have it shipped to an address under the name "CURRENT RESIDENT" - it at least gives somewhat plausible deniability.


Just my .02, good luck either way.




Not really - if it is to a fake ID and fake address good luck with them performing a controlled delivery.
Cops do not wait outside the PO box day and night hoping you will come.
If you are expecting something big and risky, stop by the mom and pop shop and you can see if there is anything strange going on. If the people have to get your package and they act funny and disappear for a while it might be time to get out.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17326222 - 12/03/12 11:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd say 90% of places would only be willing to accept either a driving license or a passport. Unless you're really well connected, I can't imagine you'll come across a good fake of either of those!





Yeah fake ID (drivers license) are easy enough to get. I've heard you can even find some that will scan.


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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17326257 - 12/03/12 11:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
I'd say 90% of places would only be willing to accept either a driving license or a passport. Unless you're really well connected, I can't imagine you'll come across a good fake of either of those!





Yeah fake ID (drivers license) are easy enough to get. I've heard you can even find some that will scan.




Yes you can - I have one. Scans and everything.
Never had an issue using it at the Post office or anywhere.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #17326875 - 12/03/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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IMHO, setting up a PO in a "fake name" or your real name really doesn't make a difference.

If they set up a controlled delivery, you're fucked either way - and to top it off, if you set it up with a false identity, you're looking at more charges!

If you're really worried about it, have it shipped to an address under the name "CURRENT RESIDENT" - it at least gives somewhat plausible deniability.


Just my .02, good luck either way.




Not really - if it is to a fake ID and fake address good luck with them performing a controlled delivery.
Cops do not wait outside the PO box day and night hoping you will come.
If you are expecting something big and risky, stop by the mom and pop shop and you can see if there is anything strange going on. If the people have to get your package and they act funny and disappear for a while it might be time to get out.




If its a bust they're truly interested in, you're damn right they'll wait. While I agree that this is in fact a good method of anonymity, these stores have cameras and employees that are certainly willing to work with LEO. They may even detain you upon arrival based on description from previous video footage, and have the package and you in a nice little room until you get your lawyer present. If your vendor packages properly, you're not moving a ton of weight, and you haven't had problems in the past - then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #17333278 - 12/04/12 03:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So from what I can gather, you're better signing up using your real name and an address related to yourself?

IDEALLY, I had hoped to register a mailbox under a false name using a photoshopped copy of your driving license. The only thing that concerned me if is if they asked for a hard copy once I showed up for the first time round.

Any other opinions? I'd like to hear what people would do in this spot.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17362060 - 12/09/12 04:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A quick bump since I never really did get the answer I was looking for. Am I best signing up using my real identity and taking that chance? Or do I go out on a limb and try open a mailbox under false credentials?

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17362251 - 12/09/12 04:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If you can get a legitimate fake ID and not the shitty novelty ones, go for it.
I have an authentic one that scans and everything. I used that to open a box.
Just be smart about it and remember a fake id doesn't guarantee you total anonymity. Use your wits as well.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #17362291 - 12/09/12 04:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

As I previously stated, I'm unable to get hold of a legitimate ID that anyone around here would take seriously. So on that case, all I'd have to go is a photocopy with some made up credentials that I would intend on submitting and chancing my luck.

The question is, what's the more sensible option? I know neither option is really that "sensible" but what I'd like to know is which of the two is the more suitable for what I'm looking for? Would it be a wiser and less obvious move going and signing up using my real identity using a relatives address or should I go out on a limb and try sign up using false details?

I guess it really comes down to myself with the decision I make but I'd just like to hear someone other peoples opinions on this one. In an ideal world, I wouldn't even want to use a rented mailbox but I'm left with no other choice.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17362718 - 12/09/12 05:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

--statement retracted--

Edited by Vitalux (12/11/12 03:58 PM)

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Vitalux] * 1
    #17363291 - 12/09/12 07:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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sloantbone said:
Can't you just do this.

have the dude put any name on the shipping label of the package.

Ok...say my name is really Jesus Christ, but I want to have some magic mushroom spores sent to me.

Well I would just have them ship it to Joesph Strong at my home address.
WHen the box or parcel arrives, you just scribble etc any thing that noone could read.

then take the box, leave it by your door, write return to sender.
until you are quite certain all is good.

People get the wrong mail all the time ...it is that easy..

It is not as if the post office really gives a fuck


I heard of a friend that use to do this all the time.
Unfortunately he is doing life in jail, because he used his neighbors name, and by accident the mailman delivered a kilo of pan cyan mushrooms  :mushroom2: to his next door neighbor.
His next door neighbor being a blind man, thought it was a gift from his mother and being a mushroom lover, ate the whole kilo while watching the price is right.

well the blind man, thought he was a bird and jumped off the roof and fell to his death.

Witnesses on the scene say, just before the blind man died, he proclaimed that he could see Jesus:confused:





You should really stop posting bullshit on this forum.  Its not a game, and your posts are consistently awful advice.

Shipping to a name that doesn't receive at that address is likely, unless tested thoroughly previously, to result in the package returned to sender, which will result in the return address calling the police to say he got a bunch of drugs addressed to your house.  This is not a good outcome.

Your posts are obviously based on nonsense and are a disservice to anyone reading them.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: johnm214]
    #17367050 - 12/10/12 11:37 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Any chance you could explain to me what you would do in this situation johnm214?

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: johnm214]
    #17367974 - 12/10/12 02:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

--statement retracted--

Edited by Vitalux (12/11/12 03:57 PM)

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17371814 - 12/11/12 01:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Any chance you could explain to me what you would do in this situation johnm214?





There is obvious risk when recieving illegal items, and its hard to know what the best option is.

Getting them delivered to a private mailbox will make it more difficult for a warrant to be issued for your residence.  They could still do it, but would have to either get an anticipatory warrant and track the package somehow, then raid when you take it home, or get PC for your actual residence.  With only the package addressed to the PMB, I doubt they'd have this.

You could try sending yourself a couple letters to a different name and seeing if they get delivered reliably, this would likely let you know if your mailman will return the item as misaddressed if an unfamiliar name appears on them (its very common that they will do this). 

Basically, anything is risky, but a delivery to a private mailbox would seem a good solution.  Of course, this might count against you on a warrant application or screening of the package if other things seem suspicious, but I doubt these are very serious risks.

The big thing is what not to do: don't sign for the package, don't send it with a method that requires signature, and don't meet the drug pacakge profile.  (see mail and the law sticky in this forum for some of them).  If you get a package delivered to your home that's addressed to the PMB, refuse it and don't sign- it may be a controlled delivery.  Generally they will attempt delivery and raid after acceptance- if you don't accept, you won't generally be subject to an anticipatory warrant.  Note: its not neccessary to sign for the package to trigger anticipatory warrants, so if someone demands you sign for the package, you refuse, and they try to get you to take it anyways, you should still refuse.

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well Johnny boy, I have personally seen this system being used since the 1970's. :thumbup:

My friends have shipped pounds and pounds and pounds and pounds of pot through the mail this way, and to date, I have never heard of a single one of them having a problem here in Canada.




Then maybe you shouldn't be offering unqualified advice about the situation in the states without any idea what your talking about?  It is common for mailmen to return parcels/letters as undeliverable if addressed to an unknown person at a known address.  This has happened to myself and many of my friends- generally when moving in. 

I'll say it again: your advice in this forum is consistently horrible and a disservice to the readers.


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Every time they sent out the package, more times than not, it was addressed to a name at an residential address that did not actually live there. The return address was always some local business in the same city as the sender, usually related to agriculture or farming etc.





Exactly, so this business gets a parcel one day filled with drugs.  They then call the police, the police seize the package, and they now have a bunch of drugs addressed to your house.  The local police are notified and either  a knock and talk or observation is set up while the postal inspectors are notified.  This is not good- especially given how often people questioned by the police admit guilt.  It would likely only take a knock and talk to get a conviction.

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Re: Mailbox Dilemma [Re: johnm214]
    #17372603 - 12/11/12 07:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)



--statement retracted--


Edited by Vitalux (12/11/12 11:58 AM)

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