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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: koraks]
    #17301604 - 11/29/12 08:55 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

^^^ Exactly what I was thinking.  It's just lucky that they happened to be square parents and tested negative.  Imagine if you just happen to smoke and ONLY smoke but then your dumb kids eat random stuff off the ground and because of that you get tested and the DEVILS WEED! is in your system and your kids get taken away....crazy world we live in.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: koraks]
    #17301609 - 11/29/12 08:56 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigators tested the boys' mother and her live-in paramour for five weeks, and the Division of Children, Youth and Family Services conducted visits to the home. Both adults passed all tests, and the children were never found to be at risk in the home, Morganelli said.



This is the worst bit of the story. These people were harassed for FIVE WEEKS because their kids experienced a mishap which in itself undoubtedly has upset the parents already. There wasn't any reason to assume the parents contributed to the incident, so why were the home and privacy of these people invaded for over a month?



I think if I were the parents and had nothing to hide, id be ok with the investigation as long as it didn't have any cost on me.



Yes, ok. So imagine this. You are the father. You have nothing to do with your kids being accidentally drugged. The vial was never yours and the kids really did find it in the street. Then the cops come and drug test you and you test positive for marijuana (which you smoke once in a while) and mdma (which you happened to do once this weekend when you partied with your wife for the first time in eons, with it being so hard to find a place for the kids to stay for a weekend). So the cops go "well sir, one and one makes two, you obviously aren't capable of taking care of the kids, we're taking them away from you." You still won't mind? You really don't see how this is a retarded, invasive and unethical practice?



that's why I said "and had nothing to hide"


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: gnarfbuckle]
    #17301691 - 11/29/12 09:32 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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it says they took the drops before gettin on the bus and by the time they got to school one of them had already got sick? Definately not LSD






Nah that sounds about right.  The substance could be anything but some bus rides are longer than others.  My bus ride was 10 minutes but I was the last stop.  The first or second stop might have beena  30-45 minute ride easily, especially with all the stopping and starting.



Koraks - spot on.  This is how easy it is to lose your kids.  Thankfully these kids are 7 and 9 and thus fully capable of using a phone, thereby allowing one to relocate them.  In today's police state be sure to tell your kids how to get in contact with you if they get lost or stolen, drill them on it so that if the government steals your children you can find them and not have to go crazy and do horrible things to people because villainous thugs have stolen your children.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: Humility]
    #17301798 - 11/29/12 10:01 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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In today's police state be sure to tell your kids how to get in contact with you if they get lost or stolen, drill them on it so that if the government steals your children you can find them and not have to go crazy and do horrible things to people because villainous thugs have stolen your children.



Can't agree more. I would take my kids back. Right under there nose. If they caught me I would stand in court and state I was rescuing my children. When does the child get a say in all this. Oh right. They have no real rights. No voice. How could a 7 and 10 year old know what's good for them?


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: livenotonevil]
    #17301914 - 11/29/12 10:36 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Don't let them "catch" you.  They'll take your kids again and throw you in prison.


If they steal your kids you need to get them back and leave this shithole of a country, or you need to deal with their corrupt "legal" system and hope they agree with you to give your children back to you.



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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: dwpineal]
    #17302043 - 11/29/12 11:07 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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The September 26th articles says they (the cops) thought it was 25i, but this November 28th article (so about 2 months to have the stuff tested sounds right) says it is confirmed LSD. I'd bet the foaming at the mouth part is the poor journalism, not the testing of the substance...I've never heard of anyone adulterating LSD with 25i, but I guess that makes some sense if someone wanted to be sketchy. But since they originally thought it was 25i, it seems like they would've tested the liquid for that initially. I'd imagine it was GCMS tested and that should've been able to tell if it was a mixture of LSD/25i, right?




There is also this possi ility. 25i is like lsd. Lsd is more known "lets just say lsd because most people already know what it is" bad jurnalism


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: koraks]
    #17302098 - 11/29/12 11:22 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigators tested the boys' mother and her live-in paramour for five weeks, and the Division of Children, Youth and Family Services conducted visits to the home. Both adults passed all tests, and the children were never found to be at risk in the home, Morganelli said.



This is the worst bit of the story. These people were harassed for FIVE WEEKS because their kids experienced a mishap which in itself undoubtedly has upset the parents already. There wasn't any reason to assume the parents contributed to the incident, so why were the home and privacy of these people invaded for over a month?



I think if I were the parents and had nothing to hide, id be ok with the investigation as long as it didn't have any cost on me.



Yes, ok. So imagine this. You are the father. You have nothing to do with your kids being accidentally drugged. The vial was never yours and the kids really did find it in the street. Then the cops come and drug test you and you test positive for marijuana (which you smoke once in a while) and mdma (which you happened to do once this weekend when you partied with your wife for the first time in eons, with it being so hard to find a place for the kids to stay for a weekend). So the cops go "well sir, one and one makes two, you obviously aren't capable of taking care of the kids, we're taking them away from you." You still won't mind? You really don't see how this is a retarded, invasive and unethical practice?





^^ good point

that is hella fucked up


i would be pissed enough as it is  if my kid was dipshit to the level of "oh check out this unsealed random shit i found on the curb! i'mma stick it in my mouth.  hm... this taste like bug spray as well as mint.. i think i'mma take a second one"  haha i would give that kid  one solid shoulda had a V-8 slap on the forehead

but having pigs bust in and tell me i had to drop, i would be pissed. thank god i'm 99.9% sure nobody tests for ketamine or 2c-b. although this would be the one case they might :tokeeporder:


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: qman]
    #17302213 - 11/29/12 11:53 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I've never heard of anyone adulterating LSD with 25i, but I guess that makes some sense if someone wanted to be sketchy.



you've really never heard of that? I have 2 vials right now that are at least 75% nbome, just enough lsd to fool your standard Ehrlich test. Im not sure how a gcms test would react to the combination though.




No I honestly never heard of that happening, but I just don't run in the same circles anymore so I may be a bit out of touch with the scene.

But for sure a GCMS would show both substances, so if they were looking for it, they would not use a reagent test, they would use GCMS and it would have peaks for both substances, and most likely if it WAS adulterated with 25i, they'd be loud and clear about the "dangerous new LSD that makes you foam at the mouth, called Smiles or 25i" :smile:



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Story makes no sense, why would the kids only take a drop or two? They didn't know LSD was in the container, or did they?




Usually those Sweet Breath things are pretty potent, I can't imagine people taking too many drops of regular old Sweet Breath, y'know?


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: gnarfbuckle]
    #17302451 - 11/29/12 12:52 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

The bus came by and I got on ... that's when it all began

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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: lurkmode]
    #17302546 - 11/29/12 01:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Got a link for those gcms tests? Are they expensive?


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: sailing]
    #17302619 - 11/29/12 01:33 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Are they expensive?





Relatively, yes.  Certainly more than a home drug test.  You're paying for the time of a scientist in a lab.  That costs.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: Humility]
    #17302667 - 11/29/12 01:43 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so it's not like some kind of kit?


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: sailing]
    #17302807 - 11/29/12 02:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

so did you buy the nbome vials as acid sailing?


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: koraks]
    #17303704 - 11/29/12 05:01 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigators tested the boys' mother and her live-in paramour for five weeks, and the Division of Children, Youth and Family Services conducted visits to the home. Both adults passed all tests, and the children were never found to be at risk in the home, Morganelli said.



This is the worst bit of the story. These people were harassed for FIVE WEEKS because their kids experienced a mishap which in itself undoubtedly has upset the parents already. There wasn't any reason to assume the parents contributed to the incident, so why were the home and privacy of these people invaded for over a month?



I think if I were the parents and had nothing to hide, id be ok with the investigation as long as it didn't have any cost on me.



Yes, ok. So imagine this. You are the father. You have nothing to do with your kids being accidentally drugged. The vial was never yours and the kids really did find it in the street. Then the cops come and drug test you and you test positive for marijuana (which you smoke once in a while) and mdma (which you happened to do once this weekend when you partied with your wife for the first time in eons, with it being so hard to find a place for the kids to stay for a weekend). So the cops go "well sir, one and one makes two, you obviously aren't capable of taking care of the kids, we're taking them away from you." You still won't mind? You really don't see how this is a retarded, invasive and unethical practice?





exactly how i thought of it.  I agree


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: el_barto]
    #17303715 - 11/29/12 05:02 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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so did you buy the nbome vials as acid sailing?



yep. took one drop and knew right away it was nbome. so now im just kinda holding onto them to use whenever im dry on actual acid.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: sailing]
    #17304295 - 11/29/12 06:36 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

once i was at a concert in NYC and i found a bag of crack rocks and razors.
i was like oh what's this :whoa:


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: sailing]
    #17304407 - 11/29/12 07:01 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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so did you buy the nbome vials as acid sailing?



yep. took one drop and knew right away it was nbome. so now im just kinda holding onto them to use whenever im dry on actual acid.




Man that is so unbelievably shady!!!!!!! I'm sorry that happened to you :frown:
It's really like hard core counterfeiting to put "enough" LSD in the vial to make it test as LSD but that it is mostly nbome. I wonder how much is enough. I mean that is pretty damn devious. (and smart in an underhanded way)

I was happy when people saw that nbome would reagent test as yellowish and LSD as purple, but...wow, I'm just mind-blown. I wonder if it even is LSD fooling the test kits, or if it is something else altogether that makes it a false positive for L...


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: sailing]
    #17304869 - 11/29/12 08:26 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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so did you buy the nbome vials as acid sailing?



yep. took one drop and knew right away it was nbome. so now im just kinda holding onto them to use whenever im dry on actual acid.





Did you beat the everloving shit out of them?

If someone did this to me, that is just about the only circumstance I can think of where I would narc on someone. Greedy fuckheads doing that stuff are not only putting innocent lives in danger, but also making LSD's already questionable reputation even worse.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17305302 - 11/29/12 09:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Narcing, for any reason, is wrong and will lead to bad karma and horrible trips.

You don't need to tell the violent thugs with guns who hurt people for non-violent "crimes" that people are committing non-violent crimes, even if they are defrauding people. 


It's wrong, period and *always*.  Don't stoop to that level.


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Re: Pa. boys, 7 and 10, took LSD they found on street [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17305400 - 11/29/12 10:08 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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so did you buy the nbome vials as acid sailing?



yep. took one drop and knew right away it was nbome. so now im just kinda holding onto them to use whenever im dry on actual acid.





Did you beat the everloving shit out of them?

If someone did this to me, that is just about the only circumstance I can think of where I would narc on someone.



I'd beat the shit out of someone, but narcing is 1000x worse than selling 25i as LSD.


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