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Invisiblephobey
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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: ingo_2001]
    #2329432 - 02/13/04 02:07 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Psylocin is water soluble so theres no need for an alchol (they work good tho). Some water with white nature vinegar does the trick also only gives a darker end result.

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: phobey]
    #2347022 - 02/17/04 05:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

i researched this once before. i came to the conclusion that all you need to do is take you dried and broken up shrooms and soak them in acetone for a couple days. Acetone will take out all the crap you don't want. Filter out the acetone and the shroom material. Put shroom material in methanol four a couple of days. Filter out shrooms and methanol. Let methanol evaporate and you'll have more or less crystals. The better you do the acetone part, taking out all the junk, the purer the product will be. Don't mark my words, i have yet to do this, but i will in the near future.
heres a picture of an extract with just isopropyl http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/18049.html
this one is interesting, extracting the magic from mycelium (this site said acetone could extract psilocybin):
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/18535.html
heres info about acetone being good for a prewash for a more serious extraction (this site said acetone didn't extract psilocybin):
http://www.fungifun.org/fanaticus/mycoalki.htm

hope this helps someone out. i will post my results but i wont have any for a long time.

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 123]
    #2347150 - 02/17/04 06:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Arrggg! You can distill, if your good 96% ethanol w/ the other 4% being water as the two form an azeotrope, then simply soak in I think magnesium sulfate, filter and redistill, you don't want to drink magnesium sulfate doped ethanol, and there you have it. Real commercially produced absolute ethanol is made by redistillation after addition of methanol as the two (H20/MeOH) form a better azeoptrope then EtOH/h20 being that MeOH is more polar. Still I think there is a little methanol in there that they add and trust me you don't want to fuck w/ MeOH absorbs through you skin easily causes blindness and death, etc...I don't know, I'm an idiot and really fucked up :nut: right now so don't listen to me. More then likely I'm wrong about everything I just said so have fun. If you don't like it my boy Paco :shiftyeyes: is going to whoop your mushroom eatin' ass till' you do.  :smile:


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 123]
    #2348060 - 02/17/04 10:56 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

123, do you have the means to take an accurate mp of the extract you obtained using the (91% ?) IPA? Just wondering.


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: Teon]
    #2351800 - 02/18/04 06:46 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

teon, no i don't plan on taking an accurate melting point. does anyone know how you could store the dehydrated residue/crystal? i know you can store it in pure alcohol but could you just leave it in its residue/crystal form in a little zip lock or something?

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: ingo_2001]
    #2352214 - 02/18/04 08:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

can someone give me a broad overview on the process? just wondering how it works

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: richismalls]
    #2352261 - 02/18/04 08:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: Effed]
    #2352583 - 02/18/04 10:05 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

thanks.......

Edited by richismalls (02/18/04 10:09 PM)

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: richismalls]
    #2354772 - 02/19/04 12:49 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

lol that was good Effed.

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 123]
    #2355497 - 02/19/04 03:44 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

well, still didnt answer my question

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: richismalls]
    #2355524 - 02/19/04 03:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

richismalls, read this entire thing and you'll have your answer.

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 123]
    #2355834 - 02/19/04 04:53 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

gotcha

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 284_27]
    #2357872 - 02/20/04 02:12 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

To get a pure crystal of anything you will have to have 100% purity, and will need an enviroment that is condusive for the properties of your crystal.

Try takeing some Organic Chem, A few Grand!~
You need vacum's, pressure tube, and a Liquid/Gas Chromatagraph FOR SURE!!!!

And you young kids allways think that you can freez shit and get crystals! All that is doing is freezing water! and that can only help you purify your crud product! If its freezing togeather your at 90% water! Alcohol, and non-polar solvents do not freez... And I am sure as hell that no ethogen will freez ever, infact no Organic compound will.

You are out of your leauge, Yeah I come here for help growing mushrooms but I know Chemistry. Ight!

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Over view... [Re: Evil_Mind]
    #2357910 - 02/20/04 02:31 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Take your mushroom powder...
Take your solvent.
Mix them togeather.
must be in near freezing temp.
Let sit for 6 hours.
Extract the top layer and dump it (its the fat.)
Keep the bottem layer.

No have fun extracting the Solvent and beliveing that its all gone.

No you have to do a array of procedures with your chromatagraph so that you have 100% purity.. (how to spot your chemical, I don;t know?)

Now you can have fun crystalizeing it...

Remember Grabage IN Garbage out! You will need 100% purity.


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Re: Over view... [Re: Evil_Mind]
    #2358987 - 02/20/04 11:01 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone have any thoughts on how butane would work? It's what I've been using for trash extractions, and it works well.

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: Evil_Mind]
    #2359142 - 02/20/04 11:46 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

And I am sure as hell that no ethogen will freez ever, infact no Organic compound will.



*cough* bullshit *cough*
Ever try to crystalize DMT, but get an oil? Ever stick that oil in the freezer? Sometimes it freezes into crystals, sometimes it freezes into an amorphous solid. Regardless, it's an entheogen and it freezes. Nothing personal but if you say no entheogen will freeze, you don't know your chemistry, ight?


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: Evil_Mind]
    #2360058 - 02/20/04 03:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Try takeing some Organic Chem, A few Grand!~
You need vacum's, pressure tube, and a Liquid/Gas Chromatagraph FOR SURE!!!!




I'll bet most people could take Chem I, Chem II, Org I, and Org II at the nearest Community College for less than $1500, books included.

While having a vacuum source is certanily helpful (and really necessary in my mind for removal of solvent) it's not like the cost of an aspirator and some vacuum tubing is going to make or break the deal for anyone.

Why exactly is chromatography necessary for crystalization? Do the words "mixed solvent" mean anything to you?


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: ingo_2001]
    #2360485 - 02/20/04 05:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Extraction with hot ethanol over several hours, which is then cooled, causes pure crystals to form. Its not hard to do and requires no messing with nasties, such as methanol or acid/base and nonpolar solvents.

Check out this website:

http://www.fungifun.org/fanaticus/mycoalki.htm

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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 284_27]
    #2523753 - 04/04/04 03:22 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

HEET contains methanol, as well as a corrosion inhibitor.
not knowing what the corrosion inhibitor is, i wouldnt use it....


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Re: I want crystals!!! [Re: 284_27]
    #2533189 - 04/06/04 09:20 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

couldnt your average acid/base alkaloid extraaction work fine?

for instance: take shroom powder and soak in vinegar, filter out mush, add ammonia, extract alkaloids with ethyl ether. then evap off ether 100%. would this be crystal? would it be psilocybin, or psicolin, and would this freebase be active if smoked (only if it is primarily psilocybin)


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