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cakes not fruiting
    #17284799 - 11/26/12 01:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so the problem is aerial mycelium i think...7 days in sgfc with clay pelets 6400k light, the temp is 23-34 C, no mist from 3 days ago, not so fluffy anymore but still no pins...the roled verm is colonized,i ve added new cakes yesterday,should i mist only the young ones?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: miceus]
    #17284860 - 11/26/12 02:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Arial mycellium is a sign of needing more FAE(Fresh Air Exchange). Fan more.

A SGFC has 1/4"(6mm) holes every 2" in a grid pattern on ALL 6 SIDES, is yours built right?

Its also supposed to be filled with 4-5" of moist perlite, clay pellets do not provide enough humidity IMO.

Your temps are fine, but you should be misting/fanning the cakes 4-6 times a day, always mist then fan out the chamber.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

How long did u give them after 100% colonization before you birthed them?

Did you dunk them for 24hrs and then roll them in dry verm before placing them in the chamber?

Pics of the cakes and your setup would help...

Edited by PussyFart (11/26/12 02:57 PM)

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17284908 - 11/26/12 02:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

FAE is the issue. Resolve that, you'll trigger the pinning. Watch over lay on the fluffy stuff, don't mist the cakes directly, mist the clay, or perlite, mist the walls. Fan the SGFC every two hours.

You should wait till you see invitro pinning before birthing in the future, this will speed your fruiting along as well.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: GimpCollector]
    #17284964 - 11/26/12 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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FAE is the issue. Resolve that, you'll trigger the pinning. Watch over lay on the fluffy stuff, don't mist the cakes directly, mist the clay, or perlite, mist the walls. Fan the SGFC every two hours.

You should wait till you see invitro pinning before birthing in the future, this will speed your fruiting along as well.



Ignore this whole post...

He obviously doesn't know what overlay is, you do want to mist the cakes directly, and do not mist the walls as there is no point...they won't grow.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17285054 - 11/26/12 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

a little cakehistory, they were ms inn. , very long colonization time, 3 weeks i would estimate maybe 4, i cant remember...i let them 5 days after 100%...no camera atm,  the sgfc has holes on all sides,smaller than 1/4" but they are closer..2-3 mm in diameter..ill change the clay with perlite tommorow, and start misting and fanning 5-6 time a day..what should i do after primordia, same mist/fan?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: miceus]
    #17285076 - 11/26/12 02:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You should build a proper SGFC with holes as described...smaller holes, even closer together, will not function the same.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: miceus]
    #17285153 - 11/26/12 03:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

and yeah, 24h dunk then roll...anyways my q is normal mist on fluffy cakes?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: miceus]
    #17285329 - 11/26/12 03:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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and yeah, 24h dunk then roll...anyways my q is normal mist on fluffy cakes?





Fluffy cakes, posted above states you need more FAE, I'd start with that.


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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: miceus]
    #17285453 - 11/26/12 03:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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and yeah, 24h dunk then roll...anyways my q is normal mist on fluffy cakes?



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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart] * 1
    #17285606 - 11/26/12 04:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No one can ignore you, you poke your face around here like you know wtf you are doing, you are nothing more then a search button bot, desk jet.

misting the material around the cake and the walls help keep the RH up, and you don't want your cakes to be misted directly if they have a lot of fluffy myc growth, as the "OVERLAY" as I put it to him will harden up the myc fluff. Keep on popping off out of the mouth, other people have experience with growing to you know, not just you.

I have anywhere from 30 to 40 jars fruiting at anyone time, so if you want to get rid of the aerial myc growth, do as I suggest, or take Deskjets advice.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: GimpCollector]
    #17285656 - 11/26/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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No one can ignore you, you poke your face around here like you know wtf you are doing, you are nothing more then a search button bot, desk jet.

misting the material around the cake and the walls help keep the RH up, and you don't want your cakes to be misted directly if they have a lot of fluffy myc growth, as the "OVERLAY" as I put it to him will harden up the myc fluff.




:lmafo: Let me teach you some stuff about the search function son. You have no idea what overlay actually is. That's the funny thing.

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I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate.  It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830

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RogerRabbit said:
By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177

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I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279

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Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized.  Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.

Whatever you do don't deep scratch.  That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13547569#13547569

And as far as RH in a SGFC, thats what raising the chamber does, it allows air to pass up thru the perlite and create humidity...

The walls and perlite should always get wet from the overspray from misting the cakes anyways...search function bot...lol...maybe that's why I am so successful at what I do?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17285683 - 11/26/12 04:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have also steered clear of misting the cakes and directly mist the walls and perlite




Other than to provide humidity, that's a waste of water.  You're supposed to allow the cakes to lose water as you're doing, and then replace that water by misting the cakes directly.  Dry cakes or waterlogged cakes will perform poorly.
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tahoe said:
I would mist them directly a few times a day until they pin, let water pool up on them! Cakes love direct water contact




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Shea25 said:
I directly mist the cakes, I give them a real good misting/but not soaking them. Then fan them for a good 20+ seconds.




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By failing to properly mist/spray/water, you allowed your cakes to dry out and this is the reason for the poor performance.  You're supposed to mist well a few times daily.  If misting was bad, mushrooms outdoors wouldn't grow after hard rains or thunderstorms, and dunking our cakes would kill them.  You have to disregard posts from ten years ago by noobs at the time saying direct misting is bad.
RR




Wow...looks like the search bot won, huh?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17285711 - 11/26/12 04:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your Deskjet skills are unsurpassed by all. I'm very proud of your copy and paste skills too.  I actually apply what I read, and when I said "OVER LAY" I was putting it in terms dude could understand, the fluf matting.

Pull your big girl panties back up, no one wants to see that shit.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: GimpCollector]
    #17285717 - 11/26/12 04:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:kaneclap:

Are you done?

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17285743 - 11/26/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: twistedty]
    #17285774 - 11/26/12 04:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Always good to know how important misting is :smile:. Glad to see so many confirmations as to why it's important. Thanks for the copy/paste snippets notahacker :thumbup:


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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart] * 1
    #17285853 - 11/26/12 05:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

F5....F5....F5....TROOOOLLL ME!


Mist your cakes, enjoy the aborts, you collect 3.5 grams of aborts, you could trip on them.

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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: GimpCollector]
    #17285860 - 11/26/12 05:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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F5....F5....F5....TROOOOLLL ME!


Mist your cakes, enjoy the aborts, you collect 3.5 grams of aborts, you could trip on them.

Thanks NotaGrower420 I have a bunch of links now!





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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: GimpCollector]
    #17285893 - 11/26/12 05:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:asianofapproval:

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Misting doesn't cause aborts, but misting and then sealing up a terrarium with wet pins inside does cause aborts.
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Misting doesn't cause aborts.  You can 'mist' by directly spraying with your finger over a garden hose if you wish.  The thing which causes aborts is sealing the pinning substrate up in an airtight terrarium while the pins are soaking wet, as was often done around here in the early days.  Instead of the noobs of old realizing it was a fresh air issue, they incorrectly thought it was a misting issue. 
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Don't tell me you read that horrible crap posted by noobs ten years ago about 'misting causes aborts' and believed it?  You must mist your substrates to make up for the loss of moisture caused by proper fresh air exchange.
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17285932 - 11/26/12 05:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

For what it's worth you have me sold, I'm going to mist directly (I'm not growing yet I'm still reading, soaking up knowledge).

Question though.. Once the fruits start to develop and get larger, do you keep misting? Or does this only apply to the cakes when they're still just pinning?


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