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Monotub FAE GE questions
    #17278122 - 11/25/12 10:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My monotub has six holes and made just like the tek.
How do i change from GE to FAE?
Currently i have the bottom four holes covered with tap and two holes filled with polyfil , i figure i would just put polyfil in them when they are fully colonized.
Will this work?

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278154 - 11/25/12 10:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You should have taped up all of the holes...u want a lot oc co2 for colonization and consolidation...

When u go to fruit it thats when u take the tape off and put polyfill in all the holes, to allow for FAE, which is the #1 pinning trigger.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278159 - 11/25/12 10:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

how big in diameter are your holes.

also you should have all your holes taped up until 100% surface colonization or when pins show up.

and yes when its time to fruit you remove the tape and loosely stuff poly fil into the holes

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: twistedty]
    #17278193 - 11/25/12 10:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

O I thought i still needed like 2 of my 6inch diameter holes filled with polyfil for GE , ill tape them up.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278202 - 11/25/12 10:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No, the imperfect lid is where u get GE..

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278204 - 11/25/12 10:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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O I thought i still needed like 2 of my 6inch diameter holes filled with polyfil for GE , ill tape them up.





did you mean to say 6inch diameter?

cause thats seems ginourmous

Edited by twistedty (11/25/12 10:41 AM)

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: twistedty]
    #17278220 - 11/25/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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O I thought i still needed like 2 of my 6inch diameter holes filled with polyfil for GE , ill tape them up.





did you mean to say 6inch diameter?

cause thats seems ginourmous



I think theres supposed to be a period between 6 and inch....:shrug:

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278243 - 11/25/12 10:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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No, the imperfect lid is where u get GE..



MY lids is taped shut and i meant to say two of my six two inch holes are filled with polyfil

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278255 - 11/25/12 10:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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No, the imperfect lid is where u get GE..



MY lids is taped shut and i meant to say two of my six two inch holes are filled with polyfil



Why would u seal the lid, but allow air to come in thru the holes?

Seems a little counter productive...anyways take the tape off the lid and tape up all the holes.

You want no fresh air for colonization, just a lot of co2 buildup with some GE, that the imperfect lid should provide.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278262 - 11/25/12 10:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cause thats what the monotub tek says to do

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278289 - 11/25/12 11:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, weird i never noticed that b4...I'm gonna say thats outdated info, unless the polyfill in those 2 holes are packed extremely tight.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14507008#14507008

^^This is a better momotub tek....

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278343 - 11/25/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think i like taped top with Polyfil holes

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278351 - 11/25/12 11:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I think i like taped top with Polyfil holes





w/e works for you

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: twistedty]
    #17278370 - 11/25/12 11:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It seems to be growing ok , i taped up the holes , well see what happens

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: twistedty]
    #17278386 - 11/25/12 11:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm currently doing a comparison grow. One tub has all holes stuffed with polyfill. One tub has all holes sealed. I'm on day 5 and both tubs are colonizing at the same rate so far.

I've also got 4-5 coir grows under my belt now. I notice that coir is much slower to colonize than hpoo. I'm guessing it's just more difficult for the mycelium to break the coir down, but it's not a direct indicator of reduced yield. Still, in the future I will be playing with a variety of additives in an attempt to get a quicker initial colonization.

I've also considered boiling the fuck out of the coir to help break down the cellular structure... but that would entail extra work which would negate the whole point of switching to coir.


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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Rahz]
    #17278412 - 11/25/12 11:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Still, in the future I will be playing with a variety of additives in an attempt to get a quicker initial colonization.




Technically, by adding more nutrients you are working againts yourself, the more nutritios the substrate, the longer it takes the mycellium to colonize...

I cant count the number of times I have seen RR say that if u want faster growth on agar, cut the nutrients in half.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278447 - 11/25/12 11:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The point isn't to beef up the nutrients, I think coir has plenty. The idea is to provide a very low amount of highly bio-available nutrients distributed evenly throughout the substrate to give the mycelium an incentive to colonize quickly.

I'll first try adding small amounts of worm castings thoroughly mixed with the verm prior to hydration. If that doesn't work I will try finely shredded straw. Either way I'll never know until I try. I appreciate the heads up though.

The sealed/unsealed tub test hasn't finished yet, but one other observation worth noting is that there's more condensate on the sealed tubs. So everything else being equal the sealed tub should have a higher water content approaching the first flush.

Edit: just to update, the sealed tub has finished, while the polyfill stuffed tub has slowed. Shrooms prefer the sealed environment for colonization.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278453 - 11/25/12 11:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So more verm quicker growth?

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278584 - 11/25/12 12:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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So more verm quicker growth?



Thats not what I'm saying, and verm has nutrients in it.

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278750 - 11/25/12 12:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Please where is this information from

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Kalypto]
    #17278846 - 11/25/12 12:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Please where is this information from



Gimme a couple minutes do use the search function...something only the best and the brightest can do...

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278868 - 11/25/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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What the hell is this crap I read above, saying there's no nutrients in vermiculite?

Why do you suppose the brf tek is 2/3 verm?  Because fungi has need of minerals, that's why.  I want to rip someone's ears off when I read verm has no 'nutes'.  There's lots of material that will hold as much water as vermiculite, such as peatmoss, sand, coir, cardboard, shredded newspapers, and about ten thousand others,  but verm is what we use because it has many of the minerals that mushrooms want, as does gypsum.

However, brf cakes are already 2/3 verm so find another nutrient source if you want to move on from there. 
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Also, coir has nutrients, so does verm (trace minerals), which is why they're not proper casing materials by themselves.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17275917#17275917

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verms "nutrients" are trace minerals because its a mineral not a "food" like coir.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16663623#16663623

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278874 - 11/25/12 01:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

YOUR SOME KIND OF INTERNET WIZARD!

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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: twistedty]
    #17278879 - 11/25/12 01:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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YOUR SOME KIND OF INTERNET WIZARD!



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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: PussyFart]
    #17278887 - 11/25/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What you're saying in regards to agar makes sense, though I don't see a correlation between agar and coir. Agar is easily digestable, coir is not so my theory seems solid. I could easily add some manure to the grow to decrease colonization time, I'm just looking for something a bit easier to prep, preferably something that doesn't take up much space which is why I'm hoping the castings will do that job. If 1/2 cup of castings per tub improved colonization speed, a 20lb bag of castings would last me years.


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Re: Monotub FAE GE questions [Re: Rahz]
    #17278902 - 11/25/12 01:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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What you're saying in regards to agar makes sense, though I don't see a correlation between agar and coir. Agar is easily digestable, coir is not so my theory seems solid. I could easily add some manure to the grow to decrease colonization time, I'm just looking for something a bit easier to prep, preferably something that doesn't take up much space which is why I'm hoping the castings will do that job. If 1/2 cup of castings per tub improved colonization speed, a 20lb bag of castings would last me years.



I was just sayin....:dealwithit:

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    #17308518 - 11/30/12 11:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Verm is a type of expanded clay and thus contains a variety of minerals. Trying to grow on straight verm would be like a human trying to live on straight carrots. Carrots are good, but they aren't a wholesome meal. Add some carrots to the meal and the meal is better.

I'm not sure what the exact percentage of verm would be to gain the maximum nutrient benefit, but probably less than is commonly used since verm is also used to hydrate. From a strict nutritional viewpoint I dunno, maybe 10% by weight might be a good guess.


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