Home | Community | Message Board

The Spore Depot
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offline2141zach
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/12
Posts: 765
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
saving a contamed jar
    #17277603 - 11/25/12 07:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so I have a jar of popcorn. It started out fine mycelium was growing. Got a contam I think trich in an area. Decided to let it grow because there was more mycelium and I was leaving for a couple days. Anyways the mycelium is growing well and is about 50-70% colonized. I want to save this jar even though its contamed yes I know the risks of doing this. My question is after its all colonized would you shake it up before it colonized or would this allow a chance for the contam to take over again?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemakingmoney
Stranger


Registered: 09/03/12
Posts: 175
Last seen: 6 years, 2 days
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
    #17277613 - 11/25/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your asking if we would shake a contamed jar up before spawning it? lol

Everyone here is going to tell you to toss it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesigma_zero
internet Jedi
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 701
Loc: surface
Last seen: 12 years, 1 month
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
    #17277623 - 11/25/12 08:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it.  Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much. 

People tend to be a little over cautious about contams on this site, bottom line if its not black or it doesn't make your house smell like shit it won't hurt you, I have seen several jars overgrow contams.


--------------------
The truth is, nobody has a clue.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTrippy_Smurf
Sketchy Mother Fucker
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/14/11
Posts: 2,349
Loc: Smurf Villiage Flag
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
    #17277641 - 11/25/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The smart thing to do is toss it before it contaminates everything else.

If you insist on using it, don't shake it.  Allow it to grow until the entire jar is colonized by either myc or mold.  When you open the jar, do so outside and separate out as much of the mold as possible.  I personally would go with coir, since it's very contam resistant, and I don't have a shit fetish.

Build a mini mono so you can have a batch that's just that jar.  Put that mono somewhere outside your normal grow room... preferably outside your house.

Post pix as you go.


--------------------
SECURITY:  READ THIS!


Chef:  Kids, what did I tell you about drugs?
Kids:  There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college.

How to be a good shroomie    How to grow mushrooms    A collection of good links (may be outdated)    How things should look    How to pass a drug test


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezMan
zMan

Registered: 09/08/12
Posts: 2,191
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
    #17277694 - 11/25/12 08:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

sigma_zero said:
Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it.  Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much. 

People tend to be a little over cautious about contams on this site, bottom line if its not black or it doesn't make your house smell like shit it won't hurt you, I have seen several jars overgrow contams.





I don't think the concern is so much about hurting you with contams but more with releasing a ton of spores that will ruin your future projects.

RR has stated before which had trich on it to pick the fruits as they are safe to eat but toss the cake so it doesn't contam the house further.

As far as this goes I would toss it as well or if for some reason I absolutely HAD to use it I would do what Trippy_Smurf said.


--------------------
Information for everyone: http://www.mushroomvideos.com
Are your grains or spawn clean? CLICK THIS CHECKLIST

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline2141zach
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/12
Posts: 765
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: zMan]
    #17277699 - 11/25/12 08:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I know the smart thing is to toss it but I am trying to keep it so  I think I will follow what Trippy_Smurf said and not shake it


--------------------

Edited by 2141zach (11/25/12 08:28 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
    #17277745 - 11/25/12 08:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

2141zach said:
I know the smart thing is to toss it . . .




Right.  So you're going to do the dumb thing instead. :facepalm:

Just don't come back crying in a few months when you can't grow anything in your house without it getting moldy.  We toss out contaminated projects to save our grow area for the future because mold spores stick to everything and come back to haunt you for years to come.  If allowing that contaminated jar to ruin your future success means more than the two to three weeks you'll 'lose' to start over and do it right then go for it. 

You've read some very bad advice from non-TCs pretending to know wtf they're talking about, so if you chose to follow it and attempt to 'save' the unsavable, go for it, but start choosing your next hobby now.

Should you get an attack of good sense between now and then, dump out the contents of that jar into a garden or flowerbed area and hope for the best.  Of course your smartest move is to boil that jar unopened in a pot of water for an hour or two before opening to dispose of the contents.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiwannabemro
TOO MUCH FUN!!!
Male


Registered: 08/17/11
Posts: 312
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
    #17277782 - 11/25/12 08:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

sigma_zero said:
Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it.  Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.




Haha yeah put it in the fridge so the myc slows down to a near halt, and the trich takes over. :facepalm3: that is the worst advice I've ever read!


--------------------
MexA Fruiting
   

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDynGBreeD
┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

Registered: 01/15/11
Posts: 3,639
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: iwannabemro]
    #17277798 - 11/25/12 08:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's dumb thinking you can save it....
And a waste of time.

Good luck.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTrippy_Smurf
Sketchy Mother Fucker
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/14/11
Posts: 2,349
Loc: Smurf Villiage Flag
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17277801 - 11/25/12 09:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
It's dumb thinking you can save it....
And a waste of time.

Good luck.



:whathesaid:


--------------------
SECURITY:  READ THIS!


Chef:  Kids, what did I tell you about drugs?
Kids:  There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college.

How to be a good shroomie    How to grow mushrooms    A collection of good links (may be outdated)    How things should look    How to pass a drug test


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetwistedty
Forcefully Retired
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/01/12
Posts: 5,487
Loc: Middle
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #17278094 - 11/25/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Quote:

2141zach said:
I know the smart thing is to toss it . . .




Right.  So you're going to do the dumb thing instead. :facepalm:


RR




:rofl:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezMan
zMan

Registered: 09/08/12
Posts: 2,191
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: iwannabemro]
    #17278103 - 11/25/12 10:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

iwannabemro said:
Quote:

sigma_zero said:
Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it.  Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.




Haha yeah put it in the fridge so the myc slows down to a near halt, and the trich takes over. :facepalm3: that is the worst advice I've ever read!




:lmafo:


--------------------
Information for everyone: http://www.mushroomvideos.com
Are your grains or spawn clean? CLICK THIS CHECKLIST

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineelectrake
Stranger
Registered: 11/04/12
Posts: 2
Last seen: 12 years, 1 month
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: zMan]
    #17278197 - 11/25/12 10:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiwannabemro
TOO MUCH FUN!!!
Male


Registered: 08/17/11
Posts: 312
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: electrake]
    #17278218 - 11/25/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

electrake said:
I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.



IMO as long as it has a filter it could be in your grow area. I've kept contam jars for a week to see what happens before IME the myc never wins vs a colored mold.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTrippy_Smurf
Sketchy Mother Fucker
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/14/11
Posts: 2,349
Loc: Smurf Villiage Flag
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: iwannabemro]
    #17278346 - 11/25/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Mold spores are smaller than myc spores and fit through many filters, so growing it out in your grow room and expecting the filter to keep the rest of your operation safe is a horrible idea.


--------------------
SECURITY:  READ THIS!


Chef:  Kids, what did I tell you about drugs?
Kids:  There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college.

How to be a good shroomie    How to grow mushrooms    A collection of good links (may be outdated)    How things should look    How to pass a drug test


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKizzle
Misanthrope
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/30/11
Posts: 9,870
Last seen: 2 months, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: electrake]
    #17278373 - 11/25/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

electrake said:
I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.



I've never seen cubensis mycelium kill trich. Not even once. Every time even the tiniest spot of trich eventually kills all the mushroom mycelium and takes over the entire substrate.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiwannabemro
TOO MUCH FUN!!!
Male


Registered: 08/17/11
Posts: 312
Last seen: 5 years, 7 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #17278428 - 11/25/12 11:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, then why does the filter it stop them from getting in?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDynGBreeD
┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

Registered: 01/15/11
Posts: 3,639
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: iwannabemro]
    #17278547 - 11/25/12 11:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's nothing more then a race... Eventually all substrates
will contaminate. By sterilizing we give the mycelium a head
start to take over before mold has a chance to set in.

I think its said complete sterilization would take 48+ hours at 15psi.

Which is why its best to inoculate as soon as the substrate
cools from sterilizing.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetwistedty
Forcefully Retired
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/01/12
Posts: 5,487
Loc: Middle
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #17278554 - 11/25/12 11:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DynGBreeD said:
It's nothing more then a race... Eventually all substrates
will contaminate. By sterilizing we give the mycelium a head
start to take over before mold has a chance to set in.

I think its said complete sterilization would take 48+ hours at 15psi.

Which is why its best to inoculate as soon as the substrate
cools from sterilizing.






Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 7 months, 28 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: Kizzle]
    #17278641 - 11/25/12 12:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Kizzle said:
I've never seen cubensis mycelium kill trich. Not even once. Every time even the tiniest spot of trich eventually kills all the mushroom mycelium and takes over the entire substrate.



I have, and I regret not taking pics, but most of my second round of WBS jars had tiny spots of green mold, but it was right next to rhizomorphic mycellium, and the jars were about 95% colonized when it appeared. I looked over my jars and went to sleep dissapointed...woke up and there was no more green, and they were fully colonized. I waited 3 days to see if any green showed back up and nothing...then i fruited all the jars in my GH and got this:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16956010#16956010


Now u dont have to beleive me, cuz really i dont care, and im not sure if it was actually trich or just some green mold, but my GT mycellium beat it.

Edited by PussyFart (11/25/12 12:14 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Possible To Save These Jars? babyshroom 862 1 11/14/01 07:41 AM
by Hippie3
* Re: More contams in summer?? brainnoise 680 3 07/30/00 02:26 PM
by YEMushrooms
* Lost to contam??? PinkFloyd 674 4 03/03/02 10:41 AM
by Under_net
* Re: The smell of contams PhilosoPossum 1,063 1 05/05/00 01:32 PM
by PhilosoPossum
* Contam?????????? The_Mushroom_God 599 1 06/15/02 11:00 AM
by Boppity604
* Must I clean the jars? mushroombadness 1,765 14 08/07/02 05:48 PM
by FanaTEK
* Re: condensation on lid, yellow contamination in jars!! PanTrop 1,841 3 01/31/00 09:43 PM
by *kino*
* Heating pad is drying out the jars goldtop 912 3 09/29/01 08:21 AM
by fiddler4u

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,843 topic views. 33 members, 117 guests and 38 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 14 queries.