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2141zach
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saving a contamed jar
#17277603 - 11/25/12 07:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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so I have a jar of popcorn. It started out fine mycelium was growing. Got a contam I think trich in an area. Decided to let it grow because there was more mycelium and I was leaving for a couple days. Anyways the mycelium is growing well and is about 50-70% colonized. I want to save this jar even though its contamed yes I know the risks of doing this. My question is after its all colonized would you shake it up before it colonized or would this allow a chance for the contam to take over again?
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
#17277613 - 11/25/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your asking if we would shake a contamed jar up before spawning it? lol
Everyone here is going to tell you to toss it.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
#17277623 - 11/25/12 08:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it. Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.
People tend to be a little over cautious about contams on this site, bottom line if its not black or it doesn't make your house smell like shit it won't hurt you, I have seen several jars overgrow contams.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
#17277641 - 11/25/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The smart thing to do is toss it before it contaminates everything else.
If you insist on using it, don't shake it. Allow it to grow until the entire jar is colonized by either myc or mold. When you open the jar, do so outside and separate out as much of the mold as possible. I personally would go with coir, since it's very contam resistant, and I don't have a shit fetish.
Build a mini mono so you can have a batch that's just that jar. Put that mono somewhere outside your normal grow room... preferably outside your house.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
#17277694 - 11/25/12 08:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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sigma_zero said: Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it. Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.
People tend to be a little over cautious about contams on this site, bottom line if its not black or it doesn't make your house smell like shit it won't hurt you, I have seen several jars overgrow contams.
I don't think the concern is so much about hurting you with contams but more with releasing a ton of spores that will ruin your future projects.
RR has stated before which had trich on it to pick the fruits as they are safe to eat but toss the cake so it doesn't contam the house further.
As far as this goes I would toss it as well or if for some reason I absolutely HAD to use it I would do what Trippy_Smurf said.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: zMan]
#17277699 - 11/25/12 08:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know the smart thing is to toss it but I am trying to keep it so I think I will follow what Trippy_Smurf said and not shake it
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: 2141zach]
#17277745 - 11/25/12 08:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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2141zach said: I know the smart thing is to toss it . . .
Right. So you're going to do the dumb thing instead. 
Just don't come back crying in a few months when you can't grow anything in your house without it getting moldy. We toss out contaminated projects to save our grow area for the future because mold spores stick to everything and come back to haunt you for years to come. If allowing that contaminated jar to ruin your future success means more than the two to three weeks you'll 'lose' to start over and do it right then go for it.
You've read some very bad advice from non-TCs pretending to know wtf they're talking about, so if you chose to follow it and attempt to 'save' the unsavable, go for it, but start choosing your next hobby now.
Should you get an attack of good sense between now and then, dump out the contents of that jar into a garden or flowerbed area and hope for the best. Of course your smartest move is to boil that jar unopened in a pot of water for an hour or two before opening to dispose of the contents. RR
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
#17277782 - 11/25/12 08:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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sigma_zero said: Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it. Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.
Haha yeah put it in the fridge so the myc slows down to a near halt, and the trich takes over. that is the worst advice I've ever read!
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It's dumb thinking you can save it.... And a waste of time.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: DynGBreeD]
#17277801 - 11/25/12 09:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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DynGBreeD said: It's dumb thinking you can save it.... And a waste of time.
Good luck.
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RogerRabbit said:
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2141zach said: I know the smart thing is to toss it . . .
Right. So you're going to do the dumb thing instead. 
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iwannabemro said:
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sigma_zero said: Shake it up and let it fully colonize, then stick it in the fridge until you are ready to use it. Make sure you check it out before you spawn it, and I would spawn to horse manure because the mushrooms will thrive on the poo and the contam probably will not grow much.
Haha yeah put it in the fridge so the myc slows down to a near halt, and the trich takes over. that is the worst advice I've ever read!
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: zMan]
#17278197 - 11/25/12 10:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: electrake]
#17278218 - 11/25/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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electrake said: I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.
IMO as long as it has a filter it could be in your grow area. I've kept contam jars for a week to see what happens before IME the myc never wins vs a colored mold.
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Mold spores are smaller than myc spores and fit through many filters, so growing it out in your grow room and expecting the filter to keep the rest of your operation safe is a horrible idea.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: electrake]
#17278373 - 11/25/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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electrake said: I'd let it just grow out of pure curiosity away from other projects. I've seen myc consume contams before, its possible this jar could do that slowly. I'd think shaking it would give the contam a better chance to take over though.
I've never seen cubensis mycelium kill trich. Not even once. Every time even the tiniest spot of trich eventually kills all the mushroom mycelium and takes over the entire substrate.
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Ok, then why does the filter it stop them from getting in?
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It's nothing more then a race... Eventually all substrates will contaminate. By sterilizing we give the mycelium a head start to take over before mold has a chance to set in.
I think its said complete sterilization would take 48+ hours at 15psi.
Which is why its best to inoculate as soon as the substrate cools from sterilizing.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: DynGBreeD]
#17278554 - 11/25/12 11:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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DynGBreeD said: It's nothing more then a race... Eventually all substrates will contaminate. By sterilizing we give the mycelium a head start to take over before mold has a chance to set in.
I think its said complete sterilization would take 48+ hours at 15psi.
Which is why its best to inoculate as soon as the substrate cools from sterilizing.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: Kizzle]
#17278641 - 11/25/12 12:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've never seen cubensis mycelium kill trich. Not even once. Every time even the tiniest spot of trich eventually kills all the mushroom mycelium and takes over the entire substrate.
I have, and I regret not taking pics, but most of my second round of WBS jars had tiny spots of green mold, but it was right next to rhizomorphic mycellium, and the jars were about 95% colonized when it appeared. I looked over my jars and went to sleep dissapointed...woke up and there was no more green, and they were fully colonized. I waited 3 days to see if any green showed back up and nothing...then i fruited all the jars in my GH and got this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16956010#16956010
Now u dont have to beleive me, cuz really i dont care, and im not sure if it was actually trich or just some green mold, but my GT mycellium beat it.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: DynGBreeD]
#17279084 - 11/25/12 01:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks I guess I forgot about it being a race.
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: WillSolvem]
#17281603 - 11/25/12 08:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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fuck rr
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
#17281702 - 11/25/12 09:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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sigma_zero said: fuck rr
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Re: saving a contamed jar [Re: sigma_zero]
#17281885 - 11/25/12 09:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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iwannabemro said: Ok, then why does the filter it stop them from getting in?
Actually, it doesn't. A filter stops 'most' of the mold spores getting in or out, but they're not 100%. I've often had a jar get moldy out-of-sight near the back of a shelf, and by the time I notice it, the jars nearby also have mold right on the surface below the filter. Enough gets out through the filters and in through the filters to ruin nearby jars.
This is why moldy projects should be tossed as soon as noticed.
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Sorry about the fuck rr, I was drunk and wanted to see what happened when I insulted the shroomery god. RR is an old man so I knew he wouldn't care I wanted to see how the other children would respond, I was surprised I thought you guys would shit bricks.
Back to the original post I never really worried about contaminations, I have had moldy bread it the kitchen and have done grain to grain without even spraying Lysol and I had zero contams. I get the feeling a lot of you guys like to pretend this hobby is more difficult than it is to stoke your own ego. There are so many mold spores in the air, especially where I live, that I don't think it really matters what you do. If you want to play scientist that's fine but don't create a dogma try knocking up some jars without a glove box or a hepa filter and don't flame sterilize just spray a little Lysol around your work area and you will get pretty much the same results. At least that has been my experience.
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