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swimmingfast
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Psychedelic Awakening
#17273419 - 11/24/12 11:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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The use of psychedelics/mushrooms may instigate a phenomenon referred to as "awakening".
Awakening may be a result of becoming aware of an increased sense of consciousness. As the awakening develops, so may the ability to utilize the sensitive consciousness in more practical manners.
Having an extra sensitive consciousness may be metaphorically compared to a tuning fork. A tuning fork may be a tool used to measure the dimension of performance (or may be a vibration frequency). May be shortly after a psychedelic experience, the tuning fork of consciousness may be replaced with a more sensitive one. Using this more sensitive tuning fork - the user - may be able to measure oneself or the environment with marked accuracy. Personal habits, morality, life, death, politics, government, health, nature, nurture, good, bad, nutrition, and etc - may all be improved by using what may be the more sensitive/accurate consciousness/tuning fork.
Occasional psychedelic use may allow users a better potential to become awakened - than without the use of psychedelics. Developing and maintaining a sensitive consciousness and being able to use it in practical manners may take a minute, a few hours, a day, or may be years to achieve. The occasional use of psychedelics to maintain a sensitive consciousness may decrease as the awakening process may complete itself. After awakening, may be an individual may maintain a strong, solid, sensitive, and very practical consciousness without further use of psychedelics.
When everything may be said and done, then, "awakening" may be defined as the maturation of consciousness.
Just talking to myself, or am I?
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swimmingfast
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It may be important to add, that if one feels depressed while in the sensitive consciousness state - that distracting oneself from it may not help. Allowing the meditation of "displeasing" thoughts of consciousness may be beneficial to the awakening process.
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Buster_Brown
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Maturation of consciousness sounds so final in an ongoing process of awakening.
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Buster_Brown said: Maturation of consciousness sounds so final in an ongoing process of awakening.
You may be correct - it may be like a layer cake. However, the layer I may name "maturity" may have particular importance within what may be our dimension within what may be space/time. The process of awakening beyond what I may have defined, may become more foreseeable as the remaining human population may begin to awaken - if it may have not already - to the layer of what may be "mature" consciousness.
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Buster_Brown
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-Allowing the meditation of "displeasing" thoughts of consciousness may be beneficial to the awakening process.-
Will you give me an example?
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swimmingfast
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Buster_Brown said: -Allowing the meditation of "displeasing" thoughts of consciousness may be beneficial to the awakening process.-
Will you give me an example?
Displeasing thoughts may be referred to as "bad trips". Users may attempt to distract oneself from "bad trips" - instead of - what may be relaxing, laying down, and focusing on those thoughts. Allowing the "bad trip" to manipulate the body's external actions, may endanger the user or others.
For example, during a "bad trip" I may play video games in order to distract myself from what may be a "bad trip". It may endanger what may be the process to awaken - and thus - it my endanger me or others within what may be the context of "being awake" compared to "not being awake".
Furthermore, by allowing the "displeasing" thoughts of consciousness to flow - and attempting to understand them - may represent the dualistic symbol of the yin-yang. By understanding what may be "yang" may allow the understanding of "yin".
Meditation of a duality may be one of the "hurdles" of awakening - if this may be true - then, allowing the meditation of "displeasing" thoughts of consciousness may be beneficial to what may be the awakening process.
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I completely agree with you on all points and would like to add that this is the precursor, or can be, to (maybe) a meeting with a more schizophrenic place of mind. And this schizo reality that one can awaken to IS one of those bad or 'displeasing thoughts' but like an extended stint or journey or lifetime into challenge, terror, turmoil, AWAKENING.
Questions like taking more psilocybin to possibly cure a person of these, now, symptoms seem daunting to me and perhaps confusing for most of us.
The existence of a secret telepathic race of alien/humans and the real possibility of mind control by etheric beings... Body Thetans. Even the forces of nature! Life. Death. Light. Darkness. Differing vibrations of energy and my fucking tuning fork! Remote viewing.
God's angels/demons and the souls of the dead leap from popular conspiracy theory and natural history into an experience of it all. It can be a hell. I'm sure its what inspired the beliefs regarding such a place/word. And you and it all... Even though we are one 'thing...' ...are the duality.
Its us the 'thing.' All of it. But you/I are one point of observation and THAT (everything else) is everything that you are not. Awakening to how some of all this works is disappointing and thrilling. Hysterical and sad. More mechanical. Controlled with energy that is consciousness.
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O'C: Did Jung really see this as a healing process?
PERRY: He did indeed! He believed that "schizophrenia" is a self-healing process - one in which, specifically, the pathological complexes dissolve themselves. The whole schizophrenic turmoil is really a self-organising, healing experience. It's like a molten state. Everything seems to be made of free energy, an inner free play of imagery through which the alienated psyche spontaneously re-organises itself - in such a way that the conscious ego is brought back into communication with the unconscious again.
O'C: How long does the experience normally last?
PERRY: The acute hallucinatory phase, during which these contents go through the re-ordering process, usually lasts about six weeks. This, by the way, corresponds to the classical description of visionary experiences in various religious texts, such as the proverbial "forty days in the wilderness" often referred to in the Bible. Anyway, six weeks is roughly it.
O'C: So are you saying that the reason we have so-called "chronic schizophrenia" in our society, - where a person is medicated, distressed or hospitalised for decades - is really cultural? A society which refuses to understand the healing nature of the phenomenon?
PERRY: Yes, it seems so. Of course, there are some unusual cases where the individual simply can't handle the impact of all this unconscious content, or doesn't know what to do with it, and freaks out. But from my experience at Diabasis, I've seen so many people go the other way that I really do feel "chronic schizophrenia" is created by society's negative response to what is actually a perfectly natural and healthy process. I hate to think of what happens to people who go into the mental hospital...
O'C: Who experiences a "schizophrenic break"?
PERRY: Well, there's a lot of controversy about this! There is a constitutional element, which is often interpreted as a "genotype of pathology", but this depends on how you see it. I see it as a genotype of sensitivity! Among adolescent siblings in a family, for example, its usually the most sensitive one who's going to catch it.
http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/2006/01/mental-breakdown-as-healing.html
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I'll do the math378+%...
Reducing to the common denominator of 'childhood's end' precipitates emancipation of the governing body.
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Displeasing thoughts may be referred to as "bad trips". Users may attempt to distract oneself from "bad trips" - instead of - what may be relaxing, laying down, and focusing on those thoughts. Allowing the "bad trip" to manipulate the body's external actions, may endanger the user or others.
For example, during a "bad trip" I may play video games in order to distract myself from what may be a "bad trip". It may endanger what may be the process to awaken - and thus - it my endanger me or others within what may be the context of "being awake" compared to "not being awake".
I can agree with most everything you've said, but the above is a rationale for avoidance on THE idea that is beckoning for attention. You may be in horror of it because it is a Hell-state in which you experience "No exit," and I recommend that you read Stan Grof's Realms of the Human Unconscious (renamed LSD: Doorway to the Numinous), for insight into the intra-uterine causes for such Hell-states, and why you need to work through them, not hide from them. Symptoms from difficulties in your biological birth trauma will continue to affect you, as I know they must, just from your disclosure.
A "bad trip" is a whole lot more than "displeasing thoughts." A bad trip is like pain in general. Thank goodness for pain in this sense, because it is a ' red flag' bringing your attention to an injury. In the case of a psychic overload, you are being shown, howsoever symbolically, possible intrauterine conditions that have been imprinted on your unconscious, and which create all manner of potential problems, addictions, fetishes, and compulsions. When one realizes, for example, that the ball-gags or air tubes that can be pinched off by a sadist/dominator, along with constrictive latex/leather/rubber suits, masks, and restraints, all mimic a difficulty with the 2nd or 3rd Basic Perinatal Matrix - constrictive, suffocating, terrifying stages in the birth process, which are both mortally terrifying and polymorphously sexual (Thanatos and Eros) at the same time. MOST masochists have NO idea where these fetishes come from, and this is just one ramification of Grof's theory. It accounts for a universe of personality dynamics.
Lastly, I also agree with the diminishing need for psychedelics, I can confidently state after some 40 years of use. As in the early Buddhist Jhanas (Samadhis), blissful states are sought after, but later, bliss needs to make room for something more profound - Equanimity. Clarity. Vajra Consciousness. Similarly, with time, one's 'addiction' to insights and ecstasies passes. The Up-Down, trip-non-trip Yin-Yang duality can stabilize such that the psychedelic condition informs everything we choose to do, and as we become more 'Awakened,' we have greater range of existential choice and less deterministic drivenness. With so much choice, one tends to choose simplicity more and more, because most of the 'follies of youth' do not contribute to the simplicity which more and more characterizes being Awakened. When I come home from work, my first meditation is to pull weeds for a bit. Sometimes, the soil is just moist enough, my grip firm enough, and the whole weed comes up without snapping off. It's a Zen thing, a Taoist thing, where there is nothing but the warm sun, cool grass, and that damn weed. The birth-death struggle lies in the pulling of that weed, rather than in a titanic battle with demons in a psychedelic Bardo.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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i read somewhere that nearly all masochists have spent time in hospital as a child. during that time they may have used masturbation as an escape from the pain of being pocked and proded thereby fusing the ideas of pain, humiliation and pleasure within their unconscious.
-------------------- Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.
cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.
dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.
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if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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I may be speaking in retrospect. I may have flogged my cosmic log plenty of times.
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At one time years ago, I became a bit obsessed with Stan Grof and his perinatal theories, and would obsessively lecture people about them lol. Also at that time ANY books about psychedelic experience was forbidden by our government--the Thatcher years--and so I had to get his realms of the human unconscious from the library, and later I went to buy his other books.
I also was really frustrated I did not have the opportunity to undergo his psychedelic psychotherapy. For one it was prohibited, and then I learned of his Holotropic Breathwork, and again became frustrated when I found out it was all far from where I lived and was VERY expensive also (especially when the HB people would say you would need many sesssions)--so it is for the RICH! To TRAIN as an HB pratitioner is extrejmely expensive.
I then came to find good radical-feminist critiques of Grof from example Monica Sjoo which really made much sense. For example, notice how Grof BLAMES the birth experience for all our ills and the troubles of the world. He makes 'proper psychedelic healing' an idea that you must first be vetted by he and his followers to see if you are right for the therapy, and then are told that you must suffer the birth process, and only after that do you go into the 'transpersonal realms'. To me this is all spiritual materialism. It also does not take into account how the male-dominated authority took OVER women giving birth, often in unnatural positions in clinical setting, etc.
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""Grof does not recognize that fear and confusion in an inexperienced mother, and alienating hospital surroundings, make delivery difficult and, he claims, creates in the child a combination of libidinal feelings, painful physical sensations and aggression. With typical Christian puritan sentiment he says that confusion in the adult heterosexual male arises from the act the genitals and thighs of the woman are both the place of love and sex as well as 'where the nightmare of birth and filth had happened', the place of 'dangerous evil filled with the power of the witch'. He could not be more unequivocal than this. He writes that hospital birth is remembered vividly in LSD sessions down to the odours of anaesthetics, sounds of surgical instruments, use of forceps, bright lights and uncaring hands. The misogyny of therapists like Grof and of te Rebirthers makes it impossible for them to join hands with women demanding willing motherhood, and end to the oppression of women and the cruelty to women and our new-born babies involved in male-controlled hospital births. Not willing to question their own privileged positions as white males in oppressive societies, they end up blaming mothers."
You clearly see this in patriarchal mythic themes where the woman is blamed for evil (Judeo-Christian 'creation myth'), bringing life into this 'evil' world, and how she is 'insatiable in lust' and a danger to men etc etc etc. QUESTION all of this!
Not ALL healers in psychedelics share Grofian theory and practice. I point this all out because whereever there is conferences, and talks about psychedelic healing up pops Grof, and he is seen as the grandaddy of psychedelic healing, and I challenge that authority!
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Re: Psychedelic Awakening [Re: zzripz]
#17283689 - 11/26/12 09:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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The "grand-daddy" of psychedelic healing may be the drug itself.
Psychedelic healing may be uncomfortable at times.
That may be the condensed meaning of this thread's opening post.
May be birth may be similar? Painful, but it may bring a new life into the world.
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Well the mythical motif of dying and being born again is very ancient, and is pre-patriarchal for sure, but it does not HAVE to mean what Grof claims it is to mean---literalizing the actual birth of the invidual.. But Grof demands this psychedelic experience follows his ideas about the 'birth trauma' to be authentic--so all that becomes dogma because he goes round preaching about it ad nauseum.
This stuff makes it out that those of his devotees who have gone through his 'perinatal' process and onto the 'transpersonal' realms are somehow more enlightened than those who haven't, and from my dealings with people belonging to his HB movement, that doesn't seem to me to be the case---many were seemingly very apathetic about politics, and were more like the 'me generation', obsessed with their journeys. Asking questions there they don't agree with gets you silently removed from their presence which is what happened to me lol. In other words it is like a cult. They also were anti-psychedelic. I am talking about 2004
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Re: Psychedelic Awakening [Re: zzripz]
#17284379 - 11/26/12 12:25 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Supporters of psychedelics may also be considered a cult.
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zzripz
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I just think you have to worry when a group of people don't welcome questions, and exploring anomalies and want you removed ...or worse
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MarkostheGnostic said: The birth-death struggle lies in the pulling of that weed, rather than in a titanic battle with demons in a psychedelic Bardo.
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Re: Psychedelic Awakening [Re: zzripz]
#17285031 - 11/26/12 02:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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zzripz said: I just think you have to worry when a group of people don't welcome questions, and exploring anomalies and want you removed ...or worse
I may not use the word "worry", but may be "intuition". The act of worrying may not be helpful.
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MarkostheGnostic said: The birth-death struggle lies in the pulling of that weed, rather than in a titanic battle with demons in a psychedelic Bardo.
The pulling of that weed, the consumption of it, then may be planting another weed.
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...a titanic battle with demons in a psychedelic Bardo.
The demons pull you like a weed... Then you go weed the garden?
Fucking Zen.
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