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WBS to Coir - Fruiting
    #17273418 - 11/24/12 11:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here is my current lab setup :P



I have 3 tubs like this with 2 trays in each.. Sat them for 14 days to colonize then just exposed them yesterday.. misted with sterile water and put under flow hood for approx 1-2min to air them out twice a day.



Here is a pic of some of the trays.. just looking for opinions, I have done pf tek fine no problems.. then i did a set of trays and it went great, but after that I have been having problems.. either no fruiting or contam..  just wondering if there is tips anyone can offer for making your trays.



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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273448 - 11/24/12 11:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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boneynerd said:
i did a set of trays and it went great, but after that I have been having problems.. either no fruiting or contam..  just wondering if there is tips anyone can offer for making your trays.




Did you use the same FC for the ones that did well?
The hole setup looks like it would not be enough FAE or create a convection current in the bin. Though normally with mini trays, I see a SGFC configuration, so this is new to me.

What size are those bins, and have you thought about converting them into monotubs?
What's in your substrate?
Did you pasteurize?
Give us some more info. on how you are doing things please.
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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #17273563 - 11/24/12 12:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Trays were made using WBS spawn and crumbled into trays

Then added pasteurized Coco Coir to mix at about 1/3 coco to spawn ratio.. really there is allot of spawn vs coco here so i cant imagine i would have a problem.

Then let sit for 14 days covered at 75degrees room temp.

then uncovered and put in bins.

bins have perlite rehydrated and sterilized as well as bins sterilized.

the holes on side of bins are size of a dime.  with polyfill inserted.

should holes be larger? they have worked in the past.. just unsure as I dont have a drill bit any larger.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273593 - 11/24/12 12:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The holes should definitely be larger, mine are about 2" and I have 3 on the long sides, and 1 on the short sides. I wonder whether I even have enough FAE. Otherwise as long as you're pasturization technique is good you should be set. All your problems could just be related to a lack of FAE, how often do you fan/mist?

I would also suggest doing a much lower spawn ratio. There's really no need to use such a high amount of spawn to coir, mushies like coir too so why not give them more nutrients? You'll probably get better yields.

Edited by krypto2000 (11/24/12 12:34 PM)

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273634 - 11/24/12 12:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You didn't say anything bout your temps or i missed it, make sure your in the right range for your species and fully colonized before trying to initiate fruiting. Your FAE does look restricted, fanning is simpler than a complex setup, fan more, and maybe take out that polyfil from the holes in your tub or make more or larger holes, contam risks are biggest in the beginning of your run so chances are you picked up something before the time that you put them in your fruiting chamber.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: krypto2000]
    #17273642 - 11/24/12 12:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think you might be right, that could be why I was having a hard time in the past. 

I got a 2inch hole cutter in the garage that just seemed way to big.  I fan and mist 2-3 times a day since I'm home all day but would be nice to not have to pay as much attention. 

There on day 2 fruiting so its not like I would be seeing pins yet anyways.

I will pickups some more tubs to make better holes.

Here is my tub dimensions, what are yours?

14 1/2" Width x 17 3/4" Length x 10 7/8" Height

I am curious


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273645 - 11/24/12 12:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Temperature is 75 degrees in my room.  tested inside of tubs RH is at 90%+


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273656 - 11/24/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm gonna go get a 1.5inch to 2 inch cutter for my drill, and a new set of better poly-fill and see how things improve.. 

I believe that's my shortfall right now.

I will update when I have things corrected.

Should be a few days before I see something good ;P I hope.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17273688 - 11/24/12 01:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My setup is kinda a jerry rig, i use jars to fruiting for minimal space use (still in my rents place) and i have a plastic sterilite shelf with 3 14L x 12w x 10h shelves for a chamber. Blued semi transparent plastic makes for easy and almost direct lighting. I keep my light low to make shorter fruits and i like side fruiting on my cakes so thats a plus for my short space. I don't have anything in right now though, my latest spores i do believe experienced thermal death during shipping.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: MTM1991]
    #17273963 - 11/24/12 02:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well here we go time to start cutting the new tubs ;P  will post soon.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17274038 - 11/24/12 02:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



1.5inch holes right above where perlite would be and poly fill in there..

is there a certain snugness to the polyfill i should go for or just make sure its in there?

thx


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17274142 - 11/24/12 02:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



Just finished tub one.. upgrading others ;P


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17274240 - 11/24/12 03:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Polyfill should be as tight as possible during colonization/consolidation and as loose as possible during fruiting.
And IMO, put one more hole near the top on each of your short sides, forming a triangle shape. Or if you have two tubs like the one pictured, try this with one of them and see the difference, if any.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #17274244 - 11/24/12 03:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I got 4 tubs total now ;P provided they do well.. im looking at a bountiful harvest.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17277015 - 11/25/12 01:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:goodluck:


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: MTM1991]
    #17277094 - 11/25/12 01:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck. :thumbup:

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17277763 - 11/25/12 08:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lost one tray to mean green..  its lookin more and more like i will be going back to cakes :frown:


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17277771 - 11/25/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

atleast i am getting better and better at identifying the way trich grows before turning green.. it has very distinct signal formations lol


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17278939 - 11/25/12 01:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How are you pasteurizing?
What's in your substrate?
What's your spawn ratio?
Do you have any pics of spawn you've got going?

Work through these "mistakes." This is how you learn what works and what doesn't.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #17282933 - 11/26/12 03:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What flush are the trays on when you lose your trays to trick?

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17288519 - 11/27/12 02:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

After the first. I have tried dunking and then refruiting but it seems pointless these are more like 1 hit wonders.

They go in, flush then I toss them to the birds... Wish I could find a way to keep them hydrated and flushing without contams


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17288528 - 11/27/12 02:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I had 9 trays originally.. then 1 lost in first 3 days to mean green, the rest have been aired out 2-3 times a day and misted.  still @ 71-74 degrees room temp, rh 90+ in chambers..

Hoping by first week I see pins.

Wonder how long on average it takes for pins to show, I believe 4-6 days was what I read somewhere.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17291010 - 11/27/12 02:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Wonder how long on average it takes for pins to show, I believe 4-6 days was what I read somewhere.




4-6, I'd say that's about right. I've seen much shorter and much longer before fruiting as well.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17291540 - 11/27/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone else give FAE to their FC using their Flowhood?  Or does everyone just fan in the open?

Wondering if I am psyching myself out with using my Flowhood everytime now.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17291559 - 11/27/12 04:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

boneynerd said:
Does anyone else give FAE to their FC using their Flowhood?  Or does everyone just fan in the open?

Wondering if I am psyching myself out with using my Flowhood everytime now.





hehe,  you can just fan with your lid bro

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: twistedty]
    #17291972 - 11/27/12 05:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Noticed since I upgraded the size of holes in sides of my FC, humidity is at 80% instead of 95%+ i had before.. shall I rehydrate perlite and put trays back in?  I could spray but I would prefer not to.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17297034 - 11/28/12 01:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I got a question for anyone who has had trich on trays in the past.. would you be convinced this is trich starting?

pic1


pic2






Also I found some pins today on a tray :P




and here is a pic of one of the next set of jars colonizing




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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17302911 - 11/29/12 12:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Turns out I got massive pinning today!  Temperature at moment is 77 degrees in room RH 20 in room.

Temp in FC's is 76 degrees RH 90%

There is 4 trays out of 7 with pins all over, verified actual pins not trich like the first 2 trays i have discarded..  continuing FAE 2-3 times a day with 5-10 min under my Flowhood.

cross fingers for good yield ;P


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17303170 - 11/29/12 01:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck. Pictures?

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17303307 - 11/29/12 01:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I will post tomorrow when they get a bit bigger.. probably around noon tomorrow actually.. ill keep you all posted, this time with some pin porn ;P


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17308567 - 11/30/12 11:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)



there they are ;P as promised


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17308721 - 11/30/12 12:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Do I have to worry about trays drying out mid flush?  I didn't dunk the trays and they were only covered with a foil top they look little dry so I been misting.. just hope it doesn't halt.



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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17308892 - 11/30/12 12:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Field capacity from substrate preparation should get you through the first flush with only misting. Rehydrate after harvest for the next flush. Check my sig link for some notes on dunking/hydrating. :thumbup:

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #17314410 - 12/01/12 11:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well just doing my daily update on one of the trays, there all doing well!

here is a good pic for today



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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17319578 - 12/02/12 09:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17319625 - 12/02/12 09:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Did you case them tray's ?

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #17319652 - 12/02/12 09:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Just coco coir (pasteurized) & spawn (crumbled)  mixed together in cooking tray and left for 14 days then fruited simple

here is pics of my other two trays, the rest will still fruit but they are just a smaller pin set right now and I am waiting for them to catch up.





I am so happy this turned out ;P


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17327392 - 12/03/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Should I fill the trays with water for a day then drain them for second flush?


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17327406 - 12/03/12 03:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A day is probably too long for a submerge. 4-6 hours suffices from all that I've read. See sig link for some other ideas on rehydrating/dunking.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Primal Call]
    #17327466 - 12/03/12 03:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

An hour to two hours would suffice for re-hydrating. I would not go over 4 hours.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17327720 - 12/03/12 04:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats quick. thanks.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17327734 - 12/03/12 04:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

RR says a dunk for more than an hour will water log a bulk substrate...I have no idea if this is true or not, i only dunk for an hour.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17333791 - 12/04/12 04:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well I just poured some distilled water in the trays, letting them go for an hour.. then I will pour it out and let them go again and see what happens.. will post results.


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: boneynerd]
    #17333927 - 12/04/12 04:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Tap water will work for everything in this hobby except for agar. Use distilled for agar.

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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: PussyFart]
    #17333994 - 12/04/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Tap water will work for everything in this hobby except for agar. Use distilled for agar.



I've never heard that DW is recommended for agar.  Why?


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Re: WBS to Coir - Fruiting [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #17334074 - 12/04/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Tap water will work for everything in this hobby except for agar. Use distilled for agar.



I've never heard that DW is recommended for agar.  Why?



I believe RR recommends it in his videos....not sure why tho, probably because there is no impurities in it.

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