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OfflineLearyfanS
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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1728175 - 07/18/03 06:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm. Never heard Leary say "no more secrets" I don't think.




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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Learyfan]
    #1728189 - 07/18/03 06:21 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

hm.. interesting

the activists were going about their business in a very ineffective way, but at the same time the FBI exercized police-state control. Nobody is right if everybody is wrong..

its amusing how some of us think it's right to track people for doing something ( not wrong or anything, just amusing )

. if I kill someone, am I forever a murderer, and so deserving of all opinions and decisions about murder? am i a worthless and evil animal if i had planned it beforehand, and made it gruesome? if i had done it quickly out of self defense, what then? it makes no difference- i could very well have taunted someone into attacking me in order to kill them.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1728315 - 07/18/03 07:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I have to say, I admire these people, and the people who bomb abortion clinics.

I feel that if someone truely believes that abortion is murder, then they should be taking violent action against it. I don't see how anyone could believe that abortion really is murder of small children, and not take up arms against it.

If people were legally taking children out of day-care and bashing their heads in with hammers I would take up arms against them and destroy all the personal property I could.

Anyone who believes abortion is murder and does not bomb abortion clinics is a coward.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1728321 - 07/18/03 07:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

an eye for an eye makes the world go blind..


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: ]
    #1728336 - 07/18/03 07:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

What would you do if you lived next door to a toddler incinerator?

Start a petition? :rolleyes:


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1728481 - 07/18/03 08:03 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think the word "hypocrite" is an understatement in this case.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: monoamine]
    #1728493 - 07/18/03 08:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I suspect that most of these people don't really believe that abortion is murder.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1728506 - 07/18/03 08:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see abortion as murder in most cases...but that's beyond the scope of this thread so I won't say anything further.

Murdering someone because you don't like "murder"...well,I'll let you put two and two together...


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: monoamine]
    #1728512 - 07/18/03 08:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"Murdering" a murderer in order to stop them from murdering innocent children isn't murder, it's defending the innocent.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1728535 - 07/18/03 08:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You actually think putting a gun to somebody's head and blowing their brains out or bombing them to mounds of body parts is the same thing as performing an abortion?


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: monoamine]
    #1728553 - 07/18/03 08:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No, I said that if you believe that, then you would have to be a coward not to take up arms against abortion clinics and doctors.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1728617 - 07/18/03 09:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I do believe that it is murder. I believe it is the same as just shooting random kids on the street. If I thought it would actually help anything by bombing abortion clinics then I would be very tempted. I have actually thought about torching some buildings, but would that change anyones mind? Would that make any difference at all? I would say it would turn more people against my cause. Unlike these animal rights activists I realize this.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: z@z.com]
    #1728644 - 07/18/03 09:23 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

so youd happily murder murderers for murdering ( i cant help writing stuff like that ), if public opinion was helped by it?


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: z@z.com]
    #1728759 - 07/18/03 10:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Minds arent going to change anyway.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: ]
    #1729063 - 07/19/03 12:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No. I don't think I could kill them (nor do I think I should), but I might (if it would end it) torch some buildings.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Learyfan]
    #1730239 - 07/19/03 04:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

WE'RE BEING USED!


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Learyfan]
    #1730250 - 07/19/03 04:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

is it impossible that these activists (in this case, extremists) placed the trackers on their own cars to raise a ruckus?

i consider ALF to be a criminal organization. their activities go far beyond political protest. they're extremists who commit violent crimes to further their agenda. i don't think it would be below them (or above their capabilities) to pull off fake tracking devices.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Learyfan]
    #1730254 - 07/19/03 04:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:


It just alarmed me that activists anywhere at any time were being tracked without their knowledge. It makes me wonder where this could lead.





Yea, I agree that seems to be the real issue here.


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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Learyfan]
    #1731962 - 07/20/03 11:13 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hmmm. Never heard Leary say "no more secrets" I don't think.




I looked for a reference now, but couldn't find any. Maybe that was someone else I was thinking about. But I found this quote from Tim Leary:

Secrecy is the cause of 90% of human problems.

And among the Leary quotes I stumbled upon this one, apropos activists. Leary talks about Abbie Hoffman:

The thing I liked about Abbie was that he kept changing, taking risks, dropping acid, reprogramming his head. He became the ultimate contradiction -- a psychedelic socialist.

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Re: Activists find tracking systems on their cars [Re: Rhizoid]
    #8059383 - 02/23/08 08:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This reminds me of the Police state thread here recently. Very relevant.


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