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Shadowxzx
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Amanita Muscaria (question)
#17240376 - 11/18/12 12:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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So i'm just wondering, let's say hypothetically someone finds a (red) amanita muscaria, is it possible to pick it (if u know it's one 100%) and then eat it right up (without preperation) or do those mushrooms poison you? I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms' but i'm not sure whether they'd kill you, poison you or just be magic :?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240401 - 11/18/12 12:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms'
You heard wrong.
Also, they require preparation to prevent you from getting sick. Well, sicker than necessary when eating amanitas.
Look, why don't you just go to 7-11 and buy yourself two sixpacks of the cheapest beer and then drink those in rapid succession? It's more or less the same effect as eating amanitas.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240404 - 11/18/12 12:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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It certainly is not an "Magic Mushroom" it contains some poisonous alkaloids that make you think that your getting high but really it is damaging your mind and especially your liver due to all the toxicity. The high on it is like being crossfaded, my two cents just stick with actual Psilocybin and don't fuck with the Amanita. Peace be unto you
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Shadowxzx
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: koraks]
#17240415 - 11/18/12 12:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms'
You heard wrong.
Also, they require preparation to prevent you from getting sick. Well, sicker than necessary when eating amanitas.
Look, why don't you just go to 7-11 and buy yourself two sixpacks of the cheapest beer and then drink those in rapid succession? It's more or less the same effect as eating amanitas.
So in a sense they are indeed kinda poison ._.? is there any magic shroom that's (kinda easy like the amanita to identify) and safe to just eat with no changes to it?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Waarlock]
#17240480 - 11/18/12 12:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms'
You heard wrong.
That is a matter of opinion. But they certainly won't produce predictable psychedelic effects of psilocybin containing mushrooms.
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Waarlock said: It certainly is not an "Magic Mushroom" it contains some poisonous alkaloids that make you think that your getting high but really it is damaging your mind and especially your liver due to all the toxicity.
That is pure, 100% bullshit. Muscimol is a agonist for the GABA-A receptors. It is not hepatoxic, and doesn't 'like melt your brain, brah'. It is what it is, take it or leave it. But it isn't toxic in reccomended ammounts, and prepared properly. Eating them fresh without any preparation is not recommended. Cooking them with eggs seems to be a good way to prepare them.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Tangich]
#17240710 - 11/18/12 01:21 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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them with eggs seems to be a good way to prepare them.
So then if you do this would you still get 'The magic effect'? (aka, trippy)? or would it just be like a edible mushroom? (and if it would just be normal, are there any types that you could just pick and eat that'd be magic mushrooms?)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240729 - 11/18/12 01:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, you would get high from it. But as Koraks suggested, go buy yourself a sixpack of cheapest beer if you just want that desperately to distort your consciousness. Btw, there is nothing magic about chemical compounds that affect your brain and alter your consciousness.
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Shadowxzx
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Tangich]
#17240782 - 11/18/12 01:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tangich said: Yes, you would get high from it. But as Koraks suggested, go buy yourself a sixpack of cheapest beer if you just want that desperately to distort your consciousness. Btw, there is nothing magic about chemical compounds that affect your brain and alter your consciousness.
I know, i'm just calling them magic mushrooms because that seems to be a general reference to them atleast as far as public goes. And i don't really know if beer and shrooms would be the same...
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240792 - 11/18/12 01:34 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms'
You heard wrong.
That is a matter of opinion.
Yeah, I agree. I was going by the opinion of the vast majority 
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Shadowxzx said: I know, i'm just calling them magic mushrooms because that seems to be a general reference to them atleast as far as public goes.
Mostly due to companies retaling a. muscaria describing them as 'magic'.
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And i don't really know if beer and shrooms would be the same...
The term 'shrooms' is usually applied to psilocybin-containing species. Amanitas are not comparable to those.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: koraks]
#17240824 - 11/18/12 01:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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@koraks Oh, so then in the end amanita's are like way different from the ideal mushroom (aka the like Liberty cap, psilocybin mushroom, etc?) (since they're so different which one's better for like first time stuff? and which one would require less prep? or do they all?) All hypothetical of course (and sorry if i'm stupid, never even looked into shrooms or for that matter any real psychoactive plant/fungi/drug)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240838 - 11/18/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust has posted some phenomenal threads regarding psychoactive mushrooms in the Pacific northwest (I am assuming that is your location?). Check this one out for help finding and identifying what you are looking for.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17240918 - 11/18/12 01:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilocybin containing mushrooms require no preparation if they are to be ingested. Amanitas do. It's as simple as that
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17241002 - 11/18/12 02:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amanita Muscaria have been eaten throughout history for various reasons, and are being eaten up to the current time, by , individuals such as yourself, who, can't help it. Reports by those who have been brave (stupid) enough to try it against the recommendations of those who have tried it, have deterred most sane and logical people , even such people as myself, from experimenting with this species. Any information about the experience is to be taken only from a first hand source, not "I heard about a guy once". I personally have never spoken with anyone who has eaten them, but from my research the preperation method should be as follows. Slice mushrooms into thin pieces for drying. Do not add excess heat, a blowing fan and low humidity should dry them. Drying removes some of the toxins that will make you sick, but you'll get sick anyway. (vomiting and diareah are common,but please do share your experience for the rest of us!) Once dried make a tea by boiling the dried mushrooms in water. Drink copious amounts of this tea. It seems that once mushroom should be enough for one adult. Pray to god for forgiveness. be sure you have a friend close by to keep you out of trouble for the next 24 hours. hang on ! ; )
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17241004 - 11/18/12 02:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shadowxzx said: So i'm just wondering, let's say hypothetically someone finds a (red) amanita muscaria, is it possible to pick it (if u know it's one 100%) and then eat it right up (without preperation) or do those mushrooms poison you? I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms' but i'm not sure whether they'd kill you, poison you or just be magic :?
make sure that it has no smell to it, if they smell at all that means they started to go bad, second check it for bugs theres a couple different kids that can be in em split it down the center into 4ths from the inside you dont have to break it inro halves. second only eat alittle if its your first time if they are still some what wet peel the cap flesh off and only eat that its easier to stomach no you dont have to cook them people that say other wise usually like repeating information they hear and lack field work eating them fresh
btw the reason alot of ones form shitty online vendors suck is cause they take ones that arnt fully fresh and dry them drying not fresh ones and eating them dried doesnt still makes you sick alot of people dont realize this and keep acting like drying them is this miracle cure to making them work right
i only dry them for storage and i only air dry them inspecting them for any signs of them going bad in the process and discarding those ones. they can look fine on the out side but the chems inside of them be spoiled its a very distinct smell.
when you smell a proper one it should be almost scentless
the other sign is if while they dry if there is any yellowing that is really bad and discard those ones
i throw away stems usually cause they have a huge tendency to get moldy plus theres such an abundance
    i only have pictures a an extremely small handful of what ih ave collected/ eaten/ shared with people
there was a time i was too much of a pussy to eat them fresh but i quickly learned the fresher the better even cooking them fresh ones will feel way better cooked then dried ones that are cooked
Edited by tweekingTwak (11/18/12 02:17 PM)
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Shadowxzx
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: tweekingTwak]
#17241237 - 11/18/12 02:46 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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tweekingTwak said:
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Shadowxzx said: So i'm just wondering, let's say hypothetically someone finds a (red) amanita muscaria, is it possible to pick it (if u know it's one 100%) and then eat it right up (without preperation) or do those mushrooms poison you? I heard they're the best type of 'Magic mushrooms' but i'm not sure whether they'd kill you, poison you or just be magic :?
make sure that it has no smell to it, if they smell at all that means they started to go bad, second check it for bugs theres a couple different kids that can be in em split it down the center into 4ths from the inside you dont have to break it inro halves. second only eat alittle if its your first time if they are still some what wet peel the cap flesh off and only eat that its easier to stomach no you dont have to cook them people that say other wise usually like repeating information they hear and lack field work eating them fresh
btw the reason alot of ones form shitty online vendors suck is cause they take ones that arnt fully fresh and dry them drying not fresh ones and eating them dried doesnt still makes you sick alot of people dont realize this and keep acting like drying them is this miracle cure to making them work right
i only dry them for storage and i only air dry them inspecting them for any signs of them going bad in the process and discarding those ones. they can look fine on the out side but the chems inside of them be spoiled its a very distinct smell.
when you smell a proper one it should be almost scentless
the other sign is if while they dry if there is any yellowing that is really bad and discard those ones
i throw away stems usually cause they have a huge tendency to get moldy plus theres such an abundance
    i only have pictures a an extremely small handful of what ih ave collected/ eaten/ shared with people
there was a time i was too much of a pussy to eat them fresh but i quickly learned the fresher the better even cooking them fresh ones will feel way better cooked then dried ones that are cooked
Thanks for all the information :o so when you say the fresher the better you mean non dried? or just as soon as possible after being picked :o?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Tangich]
#17241502 - 11/18/12 03:27 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Waarlock said: It certainly is not an "Magic Mushroom" it contains some poisonous alkaloids that make you think that your getting high but really it is damaging your mind and especially your liver due to all the toxicity.
That is pure, 100% bullshit.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: Shadowxzx]
#17241672 - 11/18/12 03:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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The general opinion on this thread seems to be that A. Musc. is dangerous or toxic or unpleasant. This is not necessarily the case. I wouldn't suggest trying it unless you're experienced with altered states of consciousness, not that it can accurately be represented by any other. I have used it, and I find it enjoyable for the most part. I have heard horror stories, but I believe them to have eaten too much. dosage is an interesting question, and it can vary wildly between varieties, and even between different specimens of the same variety, particularly when harvested in different seasons. Heat while drying makes the experience more pleasant because it breaks down ibotanic acid into muscimol, so unlike psilocybin mushrooms, low heat (6 hrs in an oven with an open door set to 150F for drying ) should be used, even cooking quickly on a stove. Fatty foods tend to make one more nauseous, so a veggie stir-fry is a good method.
It's nothing AT ALL like "'shrooms" though. Not the "trippy" you're expecting.
To answer the question I think you really want the answer to most - you won't be able to find a psilocybin mushroom as easy to identify as A. Musc., if you want to go hunting without making yourself extremely sick or dead, you've got to put the work into learning about them. Having said that, some of the Gymnopilus species are easier to identify (IMO) than most of the little brown mushrooms most people find and eat here, but they are less prevalent in most areas and also less potent. as mentioned above, Joust's guide is awesome, and invaluable to newbies.
edit to add: this is a good thread on A Muscaria
edit again to add: As was said, they can be eaten fresh, but I believe you end up getting more out of them when you heat and preserve them (this can be freezing after heating as well as drying,) as well as having less of a chance to have an unpleasant experience.
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Edited by blueIdevil (11/18/12 04:04 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: blueIdevil]
#17241921 - 11/18/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah eating it fresh. if your gona eat em fresh too you gota do it with in a day or two they will however dry out on there own
but i also mean quality as i said if it smells funky its not as fresh as it should be and dont eat it drying it wont help much either
as above mentioned varieties vary alot , it depends what country your in and if its US east or the west. Yellow on the east coast are strong and red really rare and weak. while so far from what i can tell on the west coast yellow ones are infact weaker tho that not be the case and it was just the ones i ate. the last red one i ate was the day after picking it before eating a subway sandwich and had the best sleep and dreams for an hour or two then felt peachy keen. it was red
if guess a rule of thumb for starting out is pinch your middle and thumb fingers about that much which is a small cap. dont eat more til you realize how they effect your body. dont drive cars its a bad idea it slows your reaction time down in alot of cases
also as mentioned above a really good point they vary season to season year to year. with in the same patch so fall year X wont always feel like fall in year Y it could feel like spring of year Z who ever said that fall are one way and spring are another clearly didnt have large enough sample size or duration of their study.
hands down when eating the right dose fresh ones feel better IMO and the people i have shared them with. i agree with above that instead of drying you can freeze them but as soon as they thaw you need to cook em, if you dry to eat em they will get to mushy and just be an awful experience, or brewing tea then freezing.
i also suggest urinary retention some people like drinking their pee , i not really gona try it when all i have to do is phase that out by not drinking alot of fluids before hand and not drinking tea with that said dont consume other diuretics
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: blueIdevil]
#17251571 - 11/20/12 10:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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blueIdevil said:Heat while drying makes the experience more pleasant because it breaks down ibotanic acid into muscimol, so unlike psilocybin mushrooms, low heat (6 hrs in an oven with an open door set to 150F for drying ) should be used, even cooking quickly on a stove.
This.
In my experience, drying is the only way to make them palatable, & I've experienced transient nausea eating dried ones. I vomited once, but it was okay, I kind of took it as a peyote-like purging that is part of the process. They're generally always infested with larvae, too, so heating in the oven tends to draw out & kill any little buggers remaining.
And I can confirm the experience has little in common with a psilocybin experience. If I had to compare it to another drug, I'd say it most closely resembles a potent absinth intoxication. Both drugs have put me in an altered state of reverie that includes lucid yet manic to bizarre thought processes, a sense of extreme size lability [like Alice eating a mushroom & growing very tall or very small], spontaneous vocalizations [poetics, glossolalia, singing], & dark entity contacts [which reminds me a little of salvia.]
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Re: Amanita Muscaria (question) [Re: funferal]
#17252908 - 11/20/12 02:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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funferal said:
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blueIdevil said:Heat while drying makes the experience more pleasant because it breaks down ibotanic acid into muscimol, so unlike psilocybin mushrooms, low heat (6 hrs in an oven with an open door set to 150F for drying ) should be used, even cooking quickly on a stove.
This.
In my experience, drying is the only way to make them palatable, & I've experienced transient nausea eating dried ones. I vomited once, but it was okay, I kind of took it as a peyote-like purging that is part of the process. They're generally always infested with larvae, too, so heating in the oven tends to draw out & kill any little buggers remaining.
And I can confirm the experience has little in common with a psilocybin experience. If I had to compare it to another drug, I'd say it most closely resembles a potent absinth intoxication. Both drugs have put me in an altered state of reverie that includes lucid yet manic to bizarre thought processes, a sense of extreme size lability [like Alice eating a mushroom & growing very tall or very small], spontaneous vocalizations [poetics, glossolalia, singing], & dark entity contacts [which reminds me a little of salvia.]
if they got larvea they are probably spoiled im gona start using that as my term for not fresh enough drying em doesnt change the fact that they are spoiled and wont make you less nauseous i used to think that it was normal that when you pee from the amanita it smell like that but its cause i was eating spoiled ones when you eat unspoiled proper ones raw or dried your pee wont smell as funny . i understand thats the whole ibotenic acid and blah blah blah but theres something else that goes on when stuff degrades from it being spoiled thats bad Mkkk .
personally there hasnt been enough studies IMO to take what the few studies have found as fact.
seriously as a person in science you dont accept things as a scientific fact cause one or 2 studies specially ones that have such variability, i wanna see SDs, P vaules and T scores all that shit.
ill continue to say its fucking R tarded next should we claim that SSRI work cause they correct the serotonin imbalance tho after all these years we have proven that there isnt a direct link between serotonin and depression only indirect ones meaning its not exactly serotonin
seriously tho guy if your are infested your not going at the right time and getting old ones having picked hunderads i would say 1/10 is the most i find em infested cause i have tons of times of no infestation its all bout the right time
i would say the only thing they have in common with psilos are the amazing sense of well being when you wake the next day
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