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standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs
    #17236597 - 11/17/12 04:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is making me so fucking mad. I've made a full pc worth of jars twice now and both times after soaking simmering and letting dry on news paper and i mean dry like the roger rabbit tp test dry i open my pc after it cools and there is sitting water in the bottom of my jars. I tried micro pore tape, polyfill, and eazyfelt all with a double layer of foil on top and seam to continue with the same issue. Anyone have similar issues? I never previously had this problem. I wonder if it can be caused by my pc loosing steam through the gasket securing the pressure gauge. Any help would be massively appreciated. thanks


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17236757 - 11/17/12 05:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you shaking the grain jars as they cool to redistribute the moisture?

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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: PussyFart]
    #17236797 - 11/17/12 05:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i've always just let them cool overnight in the pc without problem, i hear opening while still cooling is bad because the jars are still under vacuum. I just bought a bunch of sfd so hopefully when they arrive they will help my problem.


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17236815 - 11/17/12 05:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you sure it's not just condensation?  If so, it should re-absorb after a day or two.
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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17236852 - 11/17/12 05:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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i've always just let them cool overnight in the pc without problem, i hear opening while still cooling is bad because the jars are still under vacuum. I just bought a bunch of sfd so hopefully when they arrive they will help my problem.



You don't open it wile there is pressure...you let the pressure drop and shake them while they cool, evenly distributing the moisture to all the grains as they cool down.

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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: PussyFart]
    #17236924 - 11/17/12 06:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Way to much standing water to actually be condensation and the last batch I made i let sit for two days in my incubator and still had the issue. I didn't even bother wasting my agar wedges on it to try it out. If i tilt a jar to the side i can see all the water pool to that side of the jar.

Yes i know not to open my pc while it still has pressure built up. What i'm talking about is if you open a hot pc the jars full of hot air are pulling in cool air making a vacuum. So i let them cool in my pc closed as to avoid more open air.

Thank for your help guys i'm damn determined to fix whatever is plaguing my jars.


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17236954 - 11/17/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think i'm gonna use these jars anyways just for the hell of it just to try i just hate the smell of wet spot. i have enough agar to spare at the moment though.


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17236992 - 11/17/12 06:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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What i'm talking about is if you open a hot pc the jars full of hot air are pulling in cool air making a vacuum. So i let them cool in my pc closed as to avoid more open air.




If you have a good filter on your lid that provides GE then there cant be a vacuum inside the jars, and if there is then the air that gets sucked in would be filtered.

I shake my jars as they cool and they all turn out fine...I don't even boil/simmer...I just rinse well, soak for 24hrs, strain for 20 minutes and load the jars while the WBS is still a little wet...I shake as they cool and they bounce around like dry little BBs that are fully hydrated on the inside.

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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: PussyFart]
    #17237086 - 11/17/12 06:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Not a strong vacuum but still the temps will pull in new air. i'll do that when my sfd arrive but i don't trust my home made filters enough to catch all the particles in the air of the old ass house i live in. you say by shaking you can reduce the need for drying the grain before hand?  what do you just shake each jar while it is hot for a sec and it aerates the seeds enough to allow for them to evaporate the excess moisture?


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17237130 - 11/17/12 07:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It seems likely that simmer time is going to have a lot to do with it, even if the grains are dried well.


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17237133 - 11/17/12 07:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to mention I soak my WBS with gypsum, and I use hot tap water for the soak.

When my jars come out of the PC, there is noticeable moisture towards the bottom of the jar, but the top it noticeably dryer....

I shake each jar as they cool to the point where I can see each grain is separated...maybe about 20-30 seconds of shaking per jar...maybe like 3 different times as they cool... when they are completely cool, then they look completely dry on the outside.

I have kept control jars from every batch I have done like this and they are all contam free, I started doing this without the boil/simmer about a month ago, and all the control jars are still contam free, but still have the perfect moisture content...not saying this will work for anyone else, but this is how I do it.

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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: PussyFart]
    #17237221 - 11/17/12 07:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Let the jars cool overnight inside the PC. When you remove the jars there is usually a good amount of condensation. This is perfectly normal in my experience. Just give the jars a good shake before you inoculate. This will distribute the water/moisture evenly throughout the grain. You do not have to worry.

I used to always dry my WBS very well after soaking. I've never had an excess water/moisture problem. From the sounds of it, you're doing just fine. Try not to worry. Post pics if you like and I'm sure they will look normal.

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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: NineInchNails]
    #17307380 - 11/30/12 06:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I live in a very humid country, so no matter how long i wait, as soon as i remove my jars fro the pc, all my jars get a flood of condensation inside. 

so, i simply compensate for the general humidity, keep my grains extra dry before pc, NO boil or simmer, and shake em up real good (but carefully) after theyve cooled down a bit to warm.  then shake again after theyve totally cooled the next day. by night time or the morning after, theyve re-absorbed all the liquid without contamination. 

if you have your filters all doubled or tripled up, and leave the jars in a semi sterile room, you wont have to worry about contamination.  in fact my whole house is a jungle of freakn trich on all my belts and anything leather after a week of not cleaning since i leave all my windows open all day and all night long.  but i havent had a single contaminated jar since early this year (before i figured tripling my filters).


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17307394 - 11/30/12 06:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

IMO, you shouldn't shake the jars while it's still hot.  wait till it's warm to the touch, then shake.  that way, the moisture doesn't splatter out wetting your filters.  im guessing some carbohydrates and whatever nutrients are diluted into that moisture and could help germinate whatever contaminants that are waiting outside the filter paper.


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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: tripmaster2012]
    #17307481 - 11/30/12 06:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17307816 - 11/30/12 08:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i corrected my problem. i guess i just never noticed all the moisture before. always just took them out shook them put them away to cool. creature of habit i suppose. this time i was really stoned and was like damn there is a mother fuckin puddle in my jar. unfortunately my dumb ass tossed and and started over when they were all fine all along. same jars i originally posted about are colonizing now with healthy growth.



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Re: standing water in jars after pcing dry wbs [Re: snaggle_tooth]
    #17307819 - 11/30/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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