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InvisibleVaeVictum
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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: Shroomism]
    #17024597 - 10/13/12 03:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

From what I've been reading crossfiring on pcie 3.0 is far superior to 2.0. Any increase in speed is always nice to have IMO.


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InvisibleShroomismM
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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: VaeVictum]
    #17024653 - 10/13/12 03:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about FAR superior. In most current benchmarks I have seen, it is like a 2%-5% difference, ie. not even noticeable to the human eye.
That's like the difference between running a card in 16x / 16x and 16x / 8x. You will see a different in benchmark scores yes, but will you see the difference in games? no probably not at all.
We are talking like the difference between running at 77 FPS and 79 FPS.. you aren't going to be able to tell the difference. 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review/2

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All-in-all, we never saw any performance exceed a 10% advantage with the PCIe 3.0 system. With all the performance under 10%, it is impossible for us to notice the actual performance differences while real-world gaming. All the in-game settings and gameplay experiences were exactly the same between both systems, we only realized "benchmarkable" differences in performance.




Some games respond better to 3.0 speeds, but really the difference right now is very negligible. It will become more pronounced as the technology progresses.
PCIe 3.0 is more of a "future-proofing" thing. You can stick a 3.0 card in a 2.0 PCIe slot right now, and it will get pretty much the exact same performance as it would in a 3.0 slot.
Like I said that will probably change as the tech progresses and software catches up, but currently there's no real world benefit.


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: Shroomism]
    #17024674 - 10/13/12 03:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

pretty much have read the same thing, i have a board that supports 3.0 as well as graphics card, but only w/ an ivy chip... the difference will be negligible so it's not worth it to upgrade my 2600k


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: VaeVictum]
    #17024701 - 10/13/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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VaeVictum said:
I have the i3-3220 in my budget build I just made last month. It's an amazing processor that has left me impressed.

On the other hand a lot of these AMD cpu's will compete just fine with it but will a. run hotter b. have a slightly less life expectancy than the intel cpu's and c. run at a higher wattage which will cost you slightly more in electricity use.

If you're in an area where electricity is cheap then I wouldn't ever worry about how much power the AMD cpu's have to draw.

If one of those AMD CPU's scored higher on the benchmark then I'd say it's definitely worth considering.

You already have a graphics card which I'm sure is pci 2.0. The downfall to going AMD is they DO NOT support pci 3.0 which was the only reason I recently have made a switch to intel.

If you go the i3-3220 1155 socket route I highly highly recommend you look into some of the $60-$80 ASrock motherboards if you're on a budget. They are cheaper than nearly everyone yet it has ASUS quality written all over it.




Reading a more detailed review, it seems like those AMD chips I mentioned are pretty close in performance to the i3-3220 (rather than significantly better overall like the passmark scores suggest), better in some tests and worse in others. Interestingly though it looks like their idle power consumption is actually a little lower than the i3-3220. Power consumption under full load is a lot worse though obviously.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/2


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #17024718 - 10/13/12 03:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I work for a GPU manufacturer so it's my job to know this. But yeah we get asked this all the time, and a "real-world" benefit is defined as something which gives you a NOTICEABLE improvement in "real-world testing" like games. Benchmarks don't count. PCIe 1.0 to 2.0 was a MAJOR improvement. PCIe 2.0 to 3.0 is also a big jump... but not as big... mainly because we don't even have anything on the market currently that fully saturates 2.0 bandwidth, so it's moot point. Once there is software that over-saturates 2.0 bandwidth being common, then yes it will be worth it to upgrade to 3.0 but right now there's really no point. If you buy a card and mobo and CPU that support it, great, but it's not gonna make or break anything.


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: stayhigh89]
    #17226422 - 11/15/12 09:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Did your build ever turn out succesful?

I gave up on building a computer for awhile but I think I might actually now that I have the money and theres nothing else really that I would spend it on and would be nearly as long lasting as a computer with a proper video card.

I'm crabbing around new egg still and I've managed to put together a base 320$ intel system with the lowest % chance of failure.  It was a good idea as some parts have up to 20% bad reviews on them so most of the parts here have a high number of reviews and about 0-8% bad reviews.

ASRock z75 - 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304
intel G870- 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116521&Tpk=g870
Corsair mem 2x4gb - 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
Thermal take 430W -40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Samsung SSD - 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147133
CD/DVD rom drive - 20$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276

Does anyone think 430W is bad?
( if I add a newer PCI 3.0 card, I saw the 550 ti could run at 400W)

I have no idea whether or not the power supply is the right voltage for the other stuff.

and I assume the mother board will be able to use the SSD. Can you install an operating system on a SSD from scratch?


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: Konyap]
    #17226993 - 11/15/12 11:21 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

550ti doesn't draw much power, 400w will be just fine for a good psu.... i'd steer clear of the thermaltake though, anandtech recently did a roundup on 11 budget PSUs

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-cheap-psus/23

maybe look at some of the editor's choice or the corsair (looks like the corsair is a bit noisy though)


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #17227158 - 11/15/12 11:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I got the 500 watt version of that corsair PSU recently (CX500), not sure if the 430 is noisier but I don't find this one noisy at all.


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: psi]
    #17232132 - 11/16/12 09:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Can anyone tell me where the video on this thing comes from?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3907#sp


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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: Konyap]
    #17232203 - 11/16/12 09:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Looks to me like there is no onboard video on that motherboard.



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Re: computer build thoughts. [Re: Konyap]
    #17234351 - 11/17/12 09:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yes my build turned out very successful. I can run anything I throw it.


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