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Thermonuclear weapons design
    #17199099 - 11/11/12 03:09 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

There seems to be a lack of up to date nuclear weapons design material available online. I am presently interested in the theory of non-fission compression of fusable materials to initiate fusion explosions. Eliminating the need for fissile materials would greatly enhance the ease with which hydrogen bombs and missiles could be produced by independent nations and eliminate the radiological fallout. Potentially, thermonuclear war could become commonplace in transnational warfare with no fallout! The only information that seems available to me on the subject are very old. Schematics for the Hiroshima bomb and the Swan device 50+ years old are freely available and the following is the most up to date I could find.



http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4.html

Section 4.0 Engineering and Design of Nuclear Weapons

Version 2.04: 20 February 1999

4.1 Elements of Fission Weapon Design

• 4.1.1 Dimensional and Temporal Scale Factors • 4.1.2 Nuclear Properties of Fissile Materials • 4.1.3 Distribution of Neutron Flux and Energy in

the Core

• 4.1.4 History of a Fission Explosion • 4.1.5 Fission Weapon Efficiency • 4.1.5.1 Efficiency Equations • 4.1.5.2 Effect of Tampers and Reflectors on

Efficiency

• 4.1.5.3 Predetonation • 4.1.6 Methods of Core Assembly • 4.1.6.1 Gun Assembly • 4.1.6.2 Implosion Assembly • 4.1.6.3 Hybrid Assembly Techniques • 4.1.7 Nuclear Design Principles • 4.1.7.1 Fissionable Materials • 4.1.7.2 Composite Cores • 4.1.7.3 Tampers and Reflectors • 4.1.8 Fission Initiation Techniques • 4.1.9 Testing • 4.2 Fission Weapon Designs • 4.2.1 Low Technology Designs • 4.2.2 High Efficiency Weapons • 4.2.3 Low Yield Weapons • 4.2.4 High Yield Weapons • 4.2.5 Special Purpose Applications • 4.2.6 Weapon Design and Clandestine

Proliferation

• 4.3 Fission-Fusion Hybrid Weapons • 4.3.1 Fusion Boosted Fission Weapons • 4.3.2 Neutron Bombs ("Enhanced Radiation Weapons") • 4.3.3 The Alarm Clock/Layer Cake Design • 4.4 Elements of Thermonuclear Weapon Design • 4.4.1 Development of Thermonuclear Weapon

Concepts

• 4.4.2 Schematic of a Thermonuclear Device • 4.4.3 Radiation Implosion • 4.4.3.1 The Role of Radiation • 4.4.3.2 Opacity of Materials in Thermonuclear

Design

• 4.4.3.3 The Ablation Process • 4.4.3.4 Principles of Compression • 4.4.3.5 Ignition • 4.4.3.6 Burn and Disassembly • 4.4.4 Implosion Systems • 4.4.5 Fusion Stage Nuclear Physics and Design • 4.4.5.1 Fusionable Isotopes • 4.4.5.2 Neutronic Reactions • 4.4.5.3 Fusion Fuels • 4.4.5.4 Fusion Tampers • 4.5 Thermonuclear Weapon Designs • 4.5.1 Principle Design Types • 4.5.2 "Dirty" and "Clean" Weapons • 4.5.3 Maximum Yield/Weight Ratio • 4.5.4 Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR or "Clean") Designs • 4.5.5 Radiological Weapon Designs • 4.6 Weapon System Design • 4.6.1 Weapon Safety • 4.6.2 Variable Yield Designs • 4.6.3 Other Modern Features • 4.7 Speculative Weapon Designs • 4.8 Simulation and Testing


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17199112 - 11/11/12 03:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

have you tired sending a PM to Ahmadinejad? ..


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: orison]
    #17199123 - 11/11/12 03:20 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That pussy is only interested in peaceful nuclear power.  I want a doomsday weapon to blow up the world.




I will demand one million dollars in extortion money. 

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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17199413 - 11/11/12 05:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> I am presently interested in the theory of non-fission compression of fusable materials to initiate fusion explosions.

Conventional ecplosives cannot produce the pressures required.  The "layer cake" design, which is close to what you are asking about, uses traditional explosives to compress a layer of fissionable material to compress a core of tritium/deuterium (or more likely, lithium deuteride).  Massive lasers can generate the pressure required, but the cross section of the beams is fairly small limiting the amount of material that can be targeted.  The energy requirements, and size of the system, negate portability.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Seuss]
    #17211035 - 11/13/12 04:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You're not going to find modern nuclear bomb schematics...  You can go to school to learn about it, and get a job for the DOE if you want to learn about it.

Otherwise, you're stuck in WW2.

Simply, you don't have the clearance level to have that sort of information.  If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question.

Start reading weapons engineering books.  You might figure out a little bit more than what is online, but, again, without a proper clearance(which involves need to know), you're not going to get the information I think you're wanting.

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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: buckwater]
    #17211071 - 11/13/12 05:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah it is a waste of time. I was just wondering because I read a rumor that small hydrogen bombs may have already been used in the field as bunker buster bombs but not caught as nukes because they produced no radiation fallout. It smelled like BS to me but also made me wonder if it might have been a possibility. I've got a lot more practical things to do and I'd never find out anyway, lol.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17213525 - 11/13/12 04:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You'll know everything you need to know if you pass the army's EOD training...


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: unknown1123]
    #17213536 - 11/13/12 04:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Douple post but the most important thing you will learn is NOT to fuck with a transport truck that is carrying a nuclear bomb... You will NOT get it out of that truck.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17220056 - 11/14/12 05:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Eliminating the need for fissile materials would greatly enhance the ease with which hydrogen bombs and missiles could be produced by independent nations and eliminate the radiological fallout.

Are you aware that the hydrogen in a hydrogen bomb is not there to yield energy in the explosion but rather to yield neutrons which increases the fission yield? Almost all the energy of a hydrogen bomb explosion comes from fission, not fusion.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: unknown1123]
    #17232901 - 11/16/12 11:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Douple post but the most important thing you will learn is NOT to fuck with a transport truck that is carrying a nuclear bomb... You will NOT get it out of that truck.





See now you're making me ponder shit.
I'm sure the truck would have all sorts of escorts, but say you could get rid of them, what kind of booby-traps lay in store??
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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: RuNE]
    #17233771 - 11/17/12 03:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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RuNE said:
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Douple post but the most important thing you will learn is NOT to fuck with a transport truck that is carrying a nuclear bomb... You will NOT get it out of that truck.





See now you're making me ponder shit.
I'm sure the truck would have all sorts of escorts, but say you could get rid of them, what kind of booby-traps lay in store??
:ooo:



You'll get blown up by jets before you unbolt the bombs from the truck if you somehow got past the 6+ humvees, highway patrol, local cops, at least 2 helicopters, and maintenance personnel.

Aside from the above, and, "You won't be able to rob a the truck", I can't legally tell you anything else about why you can't do it.

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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: buckwater]
    #17234152 - 11/17/12 08:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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RuNE said:
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unknown1123 said:
Douple post but the most important thing you will learn is NOT to fuck with a transport truck that is carrying a nuclear bomb... You will NOT get it out of that truck.





See now you're making me ponder shit.
I'm sure the truck would have all sorts of escorts, but say you could get rid of them, what kind of booby-traps lay in store??
:ooo:



Yes many boobie traps. CX gas, polymer spray, driver is hooked up to a heart rate monitor and if he dies you will not be able to get near the truck and if you're near the truck already you won't be leaving until DoD comes and gets you.

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unknown1123 said:
Douple post but the most important thing you will learn is NOT to fuck with a transport truck that is carrying a nuclear bomb... You will NOT get it out of that truck.





See now you're making me ponder shit.
I'm sure the truck would have all sorts of escorts, but say you could get rid of them, what kind of booby-traps lay in store??
:ooo:



You'll get blown up by jets before you unbolt the bombs from the truck if you somehow got past the 6+ humvees, highway patrol, local cops, at least 2 helicopters, and maintenance personnel.

Aside from the above, and, "You won't be able to rob a the truck", I can't legally tell you anything else about why you can't do it.



Not really a motorcade, it's pretty inconspicuous, you could have passed one on interstate already but it is very rare that they have to move them, but it does happen and done without the core.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: buckwater]
    #17234155 - 11/17/12 08:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I'm not so sure about that.

Back in 2007 six W80 nuclear warheads were accidentally loaded on a B52, flown across the country, and went missing for 36 hours. The pilots of the B52 had no idea they were carrying live nuclear weapons. When the B52 arrived at its destination, it and the warheads sat on the ground, unguarded and vulnerable to theft.

If the USAF can "lose" nuclear warheads for a day and a half before anyone notices, I'm not all that confident that one can't be stolen from a truck.

This is just one Bent Spear incident. There are several others that have been revealed to the public, and there may be still more that have been kept secret.

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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: unknown1123]
    #17238782 - 11/18/12 01:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Not really a motorcade, it's pretty inconspicuous, you could have passed one on interstate already but it is very rare that they have to move them, but it does happen and done without the core.



I used to work in the missile field.  It's pretty obvious when a bomb is being moved.

DOE doesn't play around.

If you're talking about rocket boosters, you'd be correct.  Not bombs though.

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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Diploid]
    #17252011 - 11/20/12 11:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you aware that the hydrogen in a hydrogen bomb is not there to yield energy in the explosion but rather to yield neutrons which increases the fission yield? Almost all the energy of a hydrogen bomb explosion comes from fission, not fusion.





Actually thats not exactly true. You're describing a fission-fusion-fission bomb. Thats just one type of H Bomb. A fission-to-fusion bomb would get almost all its energy from fusion reactions.  The Tsar Bomba original design was a Fission-fusion-fission design, but the one they shot was a fission-to-fusion design, and 97% of its energy was fusion based.

There are fusion fuels that dont release any neutrons, closo-decaborane comes to mind. Aneutronic fusion. If you manage to shoot that without fission, you have an extremely clean nuclear bomb, causing nuclear radiation only during the hundred-thousanth of its explosion, and none of it forming radioactive fallout.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Asante]
    #17281952 - 11/25/12 09:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Remarkable! I've read in to that now and you are indeed correct. My original thought about the use of fusion only nuclear devices is now headed in the direction of energy generation fusion plants. Using lasers to create the needed pressure on lithium 6 pellets in water tank reactors seems reasonable given what I've read. I wouldn't doubt that this has even been developed but suppressed for national security restrictions on the patents.

TIL according to the American Academy of Sciences, that thousands of patents have been suppressed for so-called “security” or “public safety” reasons.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17290827 - 11/27/12 01:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

People think controlled fusion will be a good thing much like they thought the internal combustion engine was a good thing. It got people places and now the air and water is polluted and we have climate change.

Free energy means we will be able to live anywhere on earth using energy to create pure water, heat, cooling, and building materials. More and more forests will be chopped down until the earth's population stands at 18b and climbing. Then your constant companion will be an air purifier because of all the crap in the air, the oceans will be fished until they are empty, even algae will be harvested along with all land animals. Welcome to hell.


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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17293581 - 11/27/12 09:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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People think controlled fusion will be a good thing much like they thought the internal combustion engine was a good thing. It got people places and now the air and water is polluted and we have climate change.

Free energy means we will be able to live anywhere on earth using energy to create pure water, heat, cooling, and building materials. More and more forests will be chopped down until the earth's population stands at 18b and climbing. Then your constant companion will be an air purifier because of all the crap in the air, the oceans will be fished until they are empty, even algae will be harvested along with all land animals. Welcome to hell.




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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17293588 - 11/27/12 09:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's a dramatic statement. Not to derail my own thread but look at these videos. Aquaculture and year long vertical farming in greenhouses solves the food problem you mentioned. If you want to discuss more  about this lets start a new thread though,please.


1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres. 10,000 fish 500 yards compost




1 MILLION Pounds of Food on 3 Acres!!



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Re: Thermonuclear weapons design [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17293619 - 11/27/12 09:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You can pick any arbitrary limit that you want, but the point still stands:  Earth can only support some finite number of humans.  It may be 40 billion, or 400 billion, but eventually the population will stop growing due to environmental pressures.  This means hunger, sickness, poisoning, etc.--all shitty stuff.  The only alternative is repeated mass die-offs that prevent equilibrium from happening or self-imposed reproduction limits.

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