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Pastywhyte
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: TheHydrogenBomb]
#17514689 - 01/07/13 10:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find that if I simmer too long, I will definitely get more burst grains. In my (limited) experience I can't simmer anything that has a lot of millet in it, cause millet always explodes on me. I usually soak stuff that I can't simmer longer to compensate. WBS I soak for 24 hrs no simmer, red wheat for 16-18 hours and a 45min to an hour simmer. Burst grains release starches and I find that jars with lots of burst grains contams easier.
You should however start a new thread for this question
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TheHydrogenBomb
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#17514725 - 01/07/13 10:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'll end that q here,
>.< sorry for the hijack,
informed myself of what it was.
feel enlightened now,
thanks for the reply pasty
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: TheHydrogenBomb]
#17519859 - 01/08/13 10:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I received some decent pics in private message today, I'll add them tomorrow, still accepting all types of pics.
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TranscendingLife
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Tmethyl]
#17519878 - 01/08/13 10:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tmethyl said: I received some decent pics in private message today, I'll add them tomorrow, still accepting all types of pics.
What about ones?
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#17520726 - 01/09/13 05:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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If your willy has a fungal infection or is sprouting mushrooms.. yes sir.
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trip352
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Tmethyl]
#17521369 - 01/09/13 09:27 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aerial mycelium

Mutated shrooms (genetic)


Shrooms grown in insufficient environment
 I peaked and then tried to seal it back up... Bad idea
Invitro pinning on PF cakes

Bacteria contam on a PF cake

Rizo PF
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: trip352]
#17521578 - 01/09/13 10:16 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously? You have that many useable pics..  Every pic is exactly what I'm looking for. Those mutants are priceless too. That's a huge contribution Trip thank you.
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trip352
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Tmethyl]
#17521868 - 01/09/13 11:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I told you... I probably have some more... I'm kinda obsessed with PF tek so there's a lot of pics for that
Update that list of pics you need and I'll go back threw my stuff
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: trip352]
#17521882 - 01/09/13 11:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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The obsessed ones always give the best pics.

I'll let you know what were lacking in later today.
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Tmethyl]
#17521923 - 01/09/13 11:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tmethyl said: I'll let you know what were lacking in later today.
Last I checked, there was a shortage of grows in bags
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wire5
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: Tmethyl]
#17524536 - 01/09/13 07:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Tmethyl I was wondering if I could put a link in my signature? I just wanted your blessing before using it.
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PussyFart
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: wire5] 1
#17524548 - 01/09/13 07:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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wire5 said: Hey Tmethyl I was wondering if I could put a link in my signature? I just wanted your blessing before using it.
I'm sure he wouldn't mind, this thread needs to spread like wildfire.
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: PussyFart]
#17524560 - 01/09/13 08:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool, I'll get on it once I'm off this silly tablet thing.
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: PussyFart]
#17524684 - 01/09/13 08:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bags? We can do bags, bags work. I've seen some sexy bags. Accepting pics of bags at all stages of development, successes and failures.
I worked on my sig a little, added in my hunting log and stuff. The disorganization of it was literally eating my brain.
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Tmethyl
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: Tmethyl]
#17524725 - 01/09/13 08:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pics to be added right now:
No descriptions yet:

and don't forget all of the stuff from Trip ^
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: Tmethyl]
#17530382 - 01/10/13 10:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the biggest reason for low yields on the Shroomery is not understanding the function of a casing or how it should colonize. A properly colonized casing should give spectacular yields, and from a top view, one should not be able to see the casing once the caps have started to open:

While it is true that cubensis doesn't need a casing, it does better with a proper one I have found through the years. That is because the casing is a perfect moisture reservoir and water transport whereas otherwise mycelium hardpacks are water resistant. That water ends up making a huge difference for heavy yields or later yields when the mycelium block dries out.
A good example of not understanding a casing's functioning is the claim that coco coir is a good casing for cubensis. Unless the cubensis you are growing is a lot different than mine, it certainly is not a good casing (at least on its own). Coco coir supports vigorous growth through the casing by feeding the mycelium (I have no idea if the cubensis is eating the coco coir itself or nutrients that are somehow sequestered by the wood). Because of that it is not a casing at all in the case of cubensis but rather acts as a substrate.
A properly colonized cubensis casing should have rhizomorphic mycelium fingering through it, all the way to directly under the top or, ideally, poking through the top. When the fingers aggregate to form a solid colonize, you can bet you aren't getting many, if any, of the benefits of a true casing and should try a different casing formula, removing the nutritive element that has ruined your casing.
Coco Coir/vermiculite (bad) versus peat/vermiculite (good) Casing

The yield difference in the tray above was over 2X, and that was to be expected if you look at the horrible coco coir colonization in the picture.
A lot of people have asked me what my favorite casing formula is. For cubensis it's 1 part vermculite (coarse is slightly better) to 1 part peat moss. To that add 1/10th part agricultural (calcium carbonate) lime. You want the flour-like-consistency lime if you can get it. If not you can use the crushed oyster shell meal stuff, but you might want to add a bit more. Lastly I throw in a tiny bit of pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) - like less than 1/100th part, but if you don't have a pH probe with reader (they are about $40 on Ebay), you should probably skip this because too much calcium hydroxide can ruin a casing really fast whereas not having it doesn't matter that much in my experience. Lastly I like to add crushed coral (aragonite) but this is totally optional I think. The pebbles are more of a structural amendment and help the casing stay light and airy.
When you apply a casing it needs to be even, and I like to do micro-adjustements with a fork to make sure it's all over the substrate. You want enough to cover the substrate and just colonize. Too much will never colonize and too little will overcolonize. I always case, cover with syran wrap with a few pin holes, and keep the whole thing warm.
Now for the biggest problem I have ever had with casings: if you case and allow the substrate to suddenly drop in temperature and don't cover, it is very likely you'll accidentally switch the mycelium off its vegetative growth state and prevent the casing from colonizing. When I was having this problem because I was trying to do bigger trays, I asked here several times for why I could not colonize the casing. Not a single person answered me correctly; they all pointed to the casing composition or contamination. That just wasn't the problem. The casing can switch to non-vegetative growth PERMANENTLY and completely ruin your yield if you don't do this transition right. This happens silently and is the biggest mistake I see online, and it is the biggest mistake I've made through the years too. My advice - keep that mycelium moving! Once the mycelium pokes in the valleys of your casing, time to open it to the fruiting chamber. Only then do you want the casing to stop growing and switch to fruiting.
PS - One thing I think improves yields for cubes is a deep scratch right when the casing recovers from the syran wrapping. I know it sounds crazy, but by knocking down the mycelium with a fork, you actually more evenly distribute fragments of it through the casing. When it recolonizes, which doesn't take long since those fragments are there, the colonization is usually far more even than before the deep scratch. I don't always deep scratch because there is a deep feeling of sadness I get when I am knocking down the mycelium growth, but it's kind of like the practice of pruning apples down to a few a bunch to make something better in the end. You have to remember its all for the best in the end.
Edited by Blue Helix (01/10/13 10:14 PM)
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PussyFart
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Re: How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE [Re: Blue Helix]
#17530937 - 01/11/13 12:30 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cannot agree or disagree with anything Blue Helix, because I do not case my substrates, but I do know that scraping the casing layer is outdated info.
This is what I was talking about the other day, TCs need to get on the same page with some things. Because all this conflicting info sucks for noobs.
When I search "scrape casing", This is what I come up with....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5428792#5428792
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15185943#15185943
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17352573#17352573
Edited by PussyFart (01/11/13 12:33 AM)
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: Tmethyl]
#17532531 - 01/11/13 12:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just took some pics today. I am a first-timer and am using MS syringes and PF tek. I think I got a good one of rhizo vs cottony growth:

Also one of a jar showing first signs of growth:

And rhizo growth:

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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: bifbaf]
#17532631 - 01/11/13 12:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks more like bacteria, being so stringy like that.
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Re: How it should look - A GUIDE FOR NEW CULTIVATORS (under construction) [Re: TranscendingLife] 1
#17532702 - 01/11/13 01:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blue Helix thank you for that generous contribution. Casing cubensis may be a phase which has for the most part passed, but information on proper and effective casing technique is valuable and I thank you. Many species REQUIRE a casing.
Some of those pics are very clean and exactly what we need. You are appreciated bifbaf.
TL you're mean.
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