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OfflineGazzBut
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Nothing lasts for ever
    #1720796 - 07/16/03 09:06 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

and all good things (Ha! ha!) must come to an end.

So how long do we think the US has left in its position of Global Superpower before the seat of power moves on somewhere else?


Time left for the US as superpower?
1-5 years
5-20 years
20-50 years
50-100 years
Forever





Votes accepted from (12/31/69 07:00 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720807 - 07/16/03 09:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

100+ years


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1720816 - 07/16/03 09:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

No chance, 5-20 years I reckon. The japanese or the Chinese will munch them up.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720832 - 07/16/03 09:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I see Luvvie has registered his "forever" vote  :lol: 


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720847 - 07/16/03 09:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i read this article once about how china is really coming around and is already overshadowing the US in many 'superpower' qualities and will soon come to replace it as the superpower in the world. it was pretty compelling.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720851 - 07/16/03 09:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I figured that was yours.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720867 - 07/16/03 09:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

While I'm not naive enough to think the united states will last forever it will be a superpower for a very long time. Many countries depend on the strength of the United States economy so those who wish for it's collapse are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I won't give an exact date but it will be a long time if ever. My hope is that we won't need to be a superpower and other countries come up to our level (economically). But that must be a foreign concept to many here.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720868 - 07/16/03 09:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't vote because there's a big gap between 100 and forever.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1720961 - 07/16/03 10:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing will last that long. Look at how long the Greeks, Romans, Europeans, Brits lasted as the centre of power. Each one lasted shorter than the one before. I think the US soon wont be able to compete with the east in the tech market and suddenly the seat of power will move. I personally cant wait!! hee! hee!


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1720962 - 07/16/03 10:41 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

My hope is that we won't need to be a superpower and other countries come up to our level (economically).




The planet couldnt sustain more than one economy consuming at the rate the US does. I think one is too many myself.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720993 - 07/16/03 10:57 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The only possible problem i could forsee it that something happens between americas relations with china. China makes most of what is used in america and obviously if that stopped there would be a time of uncertainty. As long America could adjust to becomeing the manufactuar it once was, americas seat of power will last much longer.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: GazzBut]
    #1720999 - 07/16/03 10:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I think the US soon wont be able to compete with the east in the tech market and suddenly the seat of power will move. I personally cant wait!! hee! hee!




Your glee is overshadowing your ignorance. Still bitter about that whole revolution i see. There's only one problem with your comparisons, this country was founded on a totally different philosophical base than the ones that preceded it. It won't last forever (nothing does) but you'll never see it, nor will I.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1721006 - 07/16/03 11:02 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

this country was founded on a totally different philosophical base than the ones that preceded it.



Wasn't Rome a Republic at first? Bush=Caesar


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: silversoul7]
    #1721017 - 07/16/03 11:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Wasn't Rome a Republic at first? Bush=Caesar




Perhaps but even you can tell the difference between the two.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1721028 - 07/16/03 11:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
Quote:

Wasn't Rome a Republic at first? Bush=Caesar




Perhaps but even you can tell the difference between the two.


You give him credit he appears not to deserve.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1721030 - 07/16/03 11:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Ya. Rome was a more tolerant society.


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1721032 - 07/16/03 11:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Like you said, i'm an eternal optimist. :grin:


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: silversoul7]
    #1721036 - 07/16/03 11:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ya. Rome was a more tolerant society.




care to explain that gem of a statement?


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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1721039 - 07/16/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Your arguement may hold some water if all the preceeding centres of power were based on the same system/philosophy but theyre not. What makes you think the US is going to buck a trend that has been developing over millenia i.e the westward shift of power?

Now obviously just because there is a trend doesnt mean that it will continue but I think once the effects of the changes in the energy markets kick in and the Euro gets stronger and the asian economies start to grow quickly, much quicker than a bloated economy like the US could ever hope to do again, Old Uncle Sam may be in for a bit of a shock. My only worry is that as the power starts to slip away the US start throwing more of their little tantrums. Lets face it even if they lose their economic dominance it will be sometime before their military dominance fades. So all you americans have got to spread the peace virus far and wide asap!

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Re: Nothing lasts for ever [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1721044 - 07/16/03 11:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well, what I've gathered from my addiction to the History Channel is that Rome was, for the most part, much more accepting of other races, religions, sexual orientations, and lifestyles. Of course, there probably were some bigots then, just as there are now, but overall, homosexuality was more accepted, race was less of an issue, and most religions were accepted(there were, of course, some religions such as Christianity that were persecuted because they were seen as a threat to the empire).


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